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* The 13 apparent references turn out to be 3 references, each of which has been copied several times. Several of the pages are blogs, and most of the others appear to be either blogs that don't say they are blogs, or other similar sites. Many of the pages link to downloads of his work, most of them invite us to "Get Connected to GLENNMENA on Social Media". None of the three references appears to be a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] in Wikipedia's terms, and most if not all of them are promoting or publicising his work. None of them is the kind of coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 21:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC) |
* The 13 apparent references turn out to be 3 references, each of which has been copied several times. Several of the pages are blogs, and most of the others appear to be either blogs that don't say they are blogs, or other similar sites. Many of the pages link to downloads of his work, most of them invite us to "Get Connected to GLENNMENA on Social Media". None of the three references appears to be a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] in Wikipedia's terms, and most if not all of them are promoting or publicising his work. None of them is the kind of coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 21:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC) |
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* The subject doesn't meet the requirements to have an article. All references fall short of passing [[WP:SIGCOV]] and [[WP:RS]] basically. —[[User:Oluwa2Chainz|Oluwa2Chainz]] »» ([[User talk:Oluwa2Chainz|talk to me]]) 22:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC) |
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Note to self
As time permits, create the following:
- Ngatemato seamounts
- Tarava seamounts, also known as the Savannah seamounts
- Taukina seamounts
More arguably, considering the sheer amount of material:
To add to the lakes list:
Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:49, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
- In addition, add inline citations to the paragraph of neopluvial, see if anything on de:Diskussion:Ausbruch des Samalas 1257 can be used on 1257 Samalas eruption and whether Lascar (volcano) would make a good DYK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Done and done, but it looks like the 2800m height that @Sextant: flagged as implausible on the Samalas article is in the source - perhaps the source itself made a typo (800->2800m)? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:57, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Also try to fix Bowie Seamount and Mount Tambora. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 12:07, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- Cleaned up the Bowie page and sent Tambora to FA review. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- Made the seamount chain pages, now only Macdonald seamount and Lake Cancosa left. Seems like it is better to have a combined "Macdonald seamount + Macdonald hotspot" page and only then split material over to the hotspot page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Got this all done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
- Made the seamount chain pages, now only Macdonald seamount and Lake Cancosa left. Seems like it is better to have a combined "Macdonald seamount + Macdonald hotspot" page and only then split material over to the hotspot page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Cleaned up the Bowie page and sent Tambora to FA review. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- Also try to fix Bowie Seamount and Mount Tambora. JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk) 12:07, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
- Done and done, but it looks like the 2800m height that @Sextant: flagged as implausible on the Samalas article is in the source - perhaps the source itself made a typo (800->2800m)? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:57, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Glenn Mena
I, Ruth NK, request the undeletion of this Article. Please restore the page as I intend to work on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs) 18:02, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Greetings, @Ruth NK:, however can you address the concerns raised in the deletion discussion? Notability in the Wikipedia sense means that people have written about someone, not merely being famous. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:28, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
- Glenn Mena is a known artist in Nigeria, we are not related and am not promoting his music or him. I know the primary guidelines and policies of wikipedia. His nominations are notable, even the few references i got. I have gotten more references about his events and more. And I request to work more on the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs) 15:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Ruth NK: Can you show a few of these references? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]
These are the references.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth NK (talk • contribs)
- Ruth NK, please don't make a new header for every post. As for your sources, it seems like many of them are duplicates to each other and some of them look fairly thin and self-published to me. I'll summon the !voters @Oluwa2Chainz, JamesBWatson, Mr. MacTidy, MustaphaNG, Versace1608, Celestina007, and Johnpacklambert: to see if they'd be convinced. If no, making a request at WP:Deletion review would be the only way to go. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:02, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- The 13 apparent references turn out to be 3 references, each of which has been copied several times. Several of the pages are blogs, and most of the others appear to be either blogs that don't say they are blogs, or other similar sites. Many of the pages link to downloads of his work, most of them invite us to "Get Connected to GLENNMENA on Social Media". None of the three references appears to be a reliable source in Wikipedia's terms, and most if not all of them are promoting or publicising his work. None of them is the kind of coverage that Wikipedia's notability guidelines require. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:05, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- The subject doesn't meet the requirements to have an article. All references fall short of passing WP:SIGCOV and WP:RS basically. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
References
- ^ Mob Xclusive. "Xclusive: Glennmena Lits Up The Stage At "Lotanna The Movie" Premier, Eko Hotels And Suites (Video) – mobxclusive.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ John Legend. "[E!News] Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – ijebuloaded.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Charming Humble Nice Guy. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – thechngblog.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Mr ShyGoat. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – shygoat.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Blackdud. "Exclusive: Glennmena Lits up the Stage at Lotanna The Movie Premier, Eko Hotel and Suites (See Video) – gisttv.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Shortolany. "Glennmena Thrill Guests At The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel & Suites Ballroom – theblog.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ John Legend. "[E!News] Glennmena Thrill Guests at The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel and Suites Ballroom (See Photos) – ijebuloaded.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ "Glennmena Thrill Guests At The Rythm Unplugged, Eko Hotel And Suites Ballroom – Nairaland.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Charming Humble Nice Guy. "Exclusive: Glennmena Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – thechngblog.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Mr ShyGoat. "Exclusive: Glennmana Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – shygoat.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Mob Xclusive. "Xclusive: Glennmena Shines At The Just Concluded Felabration Festival With An Electrifying Performance Alongside Many Star Artist – mobxclusive.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Blackdud. "Exclusive: Glennmana Shines at the just Concluded Felabration Festival with an Electrifying Performance alongside many Star Artist – gisttv.com.ng". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
- ^ Jawbones. "Glennmena Shines At The Just Concluded Felabration Festival – Nairaland.com". Retrieved 1 Nov 2017.
Submitting new draft for review for deleted page of 10,000ft
Hello Jo-Jo Eumerus, based on suggestions by other editors, I have created a new draft for an article on 10,000ft in my user space. Can you please help review it at your convenience and make suggestions for improvements before we can move it into article space? You can find the draft at User:Shyamh/10,000ft. Thank you. shyam-habarakada (talk) 20:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- Greetings, @Shyamh:. I'll respond on your talk page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
- thank you @Jo-Jo Eumerus: shyam-habarakada (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you
Thank you for redirecting the article on The Sad But True Story of Ray Mingus to the article Sex & Violins - I was not too bothered about whether this article got redirected to Sex & Violins or the Rednex. Vorbee (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
CommonsTicker
Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus. It's definitely doable from a technical perspective. How would you like to see this implemented? Did you have a specific notification format/scheme in mind? Regards, FASTILY 23:55, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
- Greetings, @Fastily:. Not being an actual programmer I can only comment on how it might look like from the user interface, not on how it would work technically or on whether it's actually technically possible/feasible:
- A bot could post {{ffdc}} or a similar on pages (including userspace, in case the file is part of a draft) that have a certain file when it is nominated for deletion on Commons. That would work for people who watchlist their articles, may work for people who use the file in userspace drafts (if the bot is allowed to edit in userspace) and might not work for people who upload a file but don't use it immediately (such as @Giano:, who however uploads only locally).
- Alternatively, the bot could post a notice on the talkpages of the pages used.
- Edits made to Commons file may display on the enwiki watchlist if you have the local filepage watchlist. That's the same item as phab:T91192, but it'd require changes in the MediaWiki software and as @Legoktm: noted we've had issues lately with recentchanges functions that could impact this.
- A bot could notify uploaders of Commons files on enwiki when their files are nominated for deletion on Commons. Principal issue I see is that not everyone who has uploaded on Commons might want to be notified on enwiki, so the bot would need a list of interested/not interested people.
- A bot could post {{ffdc}} or a similar on pages (including userspace, in case the file is part of a draft) that have a certain file when it is nominated for deletion on Commons. That would work for people who watchlist their articles, may work for people who use the file in userspace drafts (if the bot is allowed to edit in userspace) and might not work for people who upload a file but don't use it immediately (such as @Giano:, who however uploads only locally).
- That's just for deletions. Personally I'd prefer #1 in my list but it's solely a personal preference and other people might disagree. Another complaint I've seen (by @Iridescent:) are reuploads on Commons files that degrade their quality but I suspect that needs a different task, although some concepts here might help on that as well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:32, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
About the article Mofia Tonjo Akobo
Hi Jo-Jo,
- article initially created 13 July 2016
- nominated for deletion 11 August 2016
- deleted 26 August 2016
- re-created 3 November 2017
- nominated for WP:G4 speedy deletion by me the same date
Now here's the problem:
- It would appear that the subject of article meets WP:Politician - Akobo is twice described as Nigeria's "Oil Minister" in The New York Times here and here.
- OK, so I thought to myself, just edit the article, decline the WP:G4... but the re-created article is in the words of WP:G4 "substantially identical to the deleted version", and against the Wikipedia:Consensus outcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mofia Tonjo Akobo.
What do you think about this? Maybe Draft:Mofia Tonjo Akobo might be a solution? Should such a draft include the revision history of the current and deleted articles?
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
- Greetings, @Shirt58: As the speedy deletion policy notes that G4 does not apply when the previous deletion reason no longer applies, and if they (Akobo) are now oil minister then they'd now meet NPOL and the previous deletion reason would be no longer valid. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:11, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Selena Zhao
Moved this to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 November 7#Selena Zhao for wider input. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:47, 7 November 2017 (UTC) |
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@Jo-Jo Eumerus, Please do not delete @Selena Zhao's page, or have more discussion. I believe Selena Zhao's page deserves to be maintained--she is a respected figure skater who barely missed qualifying for the Junior World's long program by 2 spots (or 1 point), and earned 3rd (medal position) in the long program at a senior international with a strong field, defeating two olympians (representing Japan and Australia). Although she only won the junior national title, this is in Canada, a very large and prominent country with a strong ladies field, as opposed to many other countries with weaker ladies fields. If you compare her personal best scores to many senior national champions in other nations, her scores are well above theirs. She is also a notable athlete-scholar, as she is attending Harvard University (graduating 2020) and likely has future accomplishments and articles that will continue to be published to substantiate the page. I understand that Wikipedia is attempting to streamline the site for extraneous pages but I truly would appreciate keeping this page, and really appreciate your consideration for a very borderline case. 65.112.8.193 (talk) 02:58, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately this is not "Ms. Zhao," although this is indeed coming from Harvard University. What sources would be relevant for a GNG pass, could you elaborate? Icenetwork (http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120916&content_id=38517104&vkey=ice_news) and a Canadian news site (http://www.thewhig.com/2015/01/21/zhao-doesnt-disappoint) are also available online other than the Golden Skate article. What is the argument for maintaining arguably arbitrary and binary screening standards in the case of potential exceptions? The encyclopedia can surely support a few extra pages, and the benefits to be gained by restoring the page can surely outweigh any costs. Can the page be restored temporarily to retrieve the information within it before redeletion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.8.193 (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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Jacob Barnett
I have to question why you salted, without explanation, the Jacob Barnett article. It was a negative article and I supported deletion (or change). I am dumbfounded that articles like Luis Balbino Arroyo are uncontested, while the JB with upwards of 24 supporting references are contested. You proposed someone draft a NPOV article, but there is no incentive to do that if salted. Subuey (talk) 15:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Subuey: I did explain why the article was salted in the protection rationale - the topic of the article is potentially sensitive and thus any attempt at recreation ought to be vetted by posting it into draft namespace (Draft:Jacob Barnett) first. That other articles weren't deleted either means that they have much better (rather than just more sources; as the living people articles' policy notes, we need good sources for living people's articles) or that they should be deleted too. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:32, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- If a draft is accepted, I think it should have protection put on it. The user who proposed the latest afd was actually trying to modify the article by both contributing to the talk and the main page, but user Slawomir Bialy irreversibly reverted the edits, regardless of consensus on the talk page, triggering the afd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subuey (talk • contribs) 16:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- That would be something to discuss for when the draft is actually proposed. Also, I don't get the impression from the AfD that the outcome would have been different if the reversions wouldn't have happened, as people judged on the basis of sources not on the article content. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding the Afd, a theme from the comments was a concern for the subject of the article. The article survived three previous afds. The problem was not that the article's sources had changed, because they hadn't. But that it's content had changed. Subuey (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Consensus can change. So I generally do not factor in previous AfDs, and I don't see much indication in the AfD #4 that its different outcome was because of different article content. Also, summoning Sławomir Biały here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:35, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Regarding the Afd, a theme from the comments was a concern for the subject of the article. The article survived three previous afds. The problem was not that the article's sources had changed, because they hadn't. But that it's content had changed. Subuey (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- That would be something to discuss for when the draft is actually proposed. Also, I don't get the impression from the AfD that the outcome would have been different if the reversions wouldn't have happened, as people judged on the basis of sources not on the article content. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:55, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- If a draft is accepted, I think it should have protection put on it. The user who proposed the latest afd was actually trying to modify the article by both contributing to the talk and the main page, but user Slawomir Bialy irreversibly reverted the edits, regardless of consensus on the talk page, triggering the afd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subuey (talk • contribs) 16:50, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Contrary to what has been said here, the article in question did not "survive three previous afds". Indeed, the article was deleted after the first AfD, in what was described at the time as a "cut-and-dried case". It should not have been recreated without community input. Now it has been deleted a second time, in accord with our policies. Something needs to change about the subject for a new article to be written (e.g., he actually does something notable), and it has been salted to prevent the article being created again against community consensus. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't deflect the criticism that, leading up to the AfD, Slawomir smothered attempts at compromise in the article. (edit) yes, I lost track of the many noms for AfDs slawomir brought up! Subuey (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Lake Cahuilla
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lake Cahuilla you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Codyorb -- Codyorb (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Another note to self (regarding Flow)
Making a note here in case there is a discussion on installing Flow in the future: The suggestions I'd submit are discussion should be had on removing infinite scroll, allowing it to use the same markup as regular wikiediting and offering assistance for people who e.g run archivebots and would need to modify their bots.
as said on meta:2017 Community Wishlist Survey/Editing/Release VE on Talk pages. Plus discussing ways to remove posts that does not require admin action. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:41, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Lake Cahuilla
The article Lake Cahuilla you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lake Cahuilla for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Codyorb -- Codyorb (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, but just out of curiosity @Codyorb: did you spot-check some citations? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for notifying me about your concern. I took a look through the references. Harvard footnotes are correctly formatted and used where necessary; book and journal citations are complete. Templates are correctly used.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Codyorb (talk • contribs)
- Sorry for being unclear, Codyorb - I was wondering if you did check any claim against the sources. I am sure at least some of them are accessible. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification! It'll take me a little while to check the facts against the sources. Codyorb (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry for being unclear, Codyorb - I was wondering if you did check any claim against the sources. I am sure at least some of them are accessible. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:19, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- @Jo-Jo Eumerus: Thanks for notifying me about your concern. I took a look through the references. Harvard footnotes are correctly formatted and used where necessary; book and journal citations are complete. Templates are correctly used.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Codyorb (talk • contribs)