Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 December 9

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 9, 2017.

23 oktober

• 23 oktober → October 23  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible misspelling. The only language I can think of for “Oktober” is German, but that language almost certainly capitalizes months as we do. No WP:FORRED is appropriate here. October 28 has no similar redirect. 165.91.12.221 (talk) 06:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Madonna (album)

• Madonna (album) → Madonna  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There has been some controversy about where this redirect should redirect involving Netoholic and Patar knight, and now me. See the history of the redirect. Anyway, here's what I think.

First, this term, Madonna (album), is currently the subject of an RM discussion at Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017 where I have proposed that it be the title of that article. So really that discussion should be resolved before we change anything here, because if the proposal passes, redirect will be deleted to make room for the article to be moved here anyway.

Second, there are three potential uses for Madonna (album) - two relatively obscure albums named Madonna, and Madonna's first album. There should be no question that Madonna's album is the primary topic. That is, anyone who links with [[Madonna (album)]] would reasonably expect it to go to the article about Madonna's album (and not a subjection of some dab page). So if the RM proposal does not succeed, this should remain redirecting to the article about Madonna's album. --В²C ☎ 02:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Delete it. It has no incoming links from mainspace, and nor should it ever. Anyone who links to it should see it as a redlink. Anyone who types it into the search box (an unlikely event!) should have the Wikipedia search function invoked, which only happens if the redirect is deleted. Today's top five results, and daily average pageviews are:

1 Madonna (Madonna album) 521

2 Madonna 11327

3 Madonna albums discography 13156

4 Erotica (Madonna album) 11389

5 Madonna (entertainer) 9970

The #1 result is the least likely wanted on average. It is an old, not topical, album. Anyone lost or "searching" would be better served by #3.

The search function should be allowed to work, and relied upon, for everything less than obvious, and probably the obvious too. The search function algorithms, data, and live data collection and processing is far superior to a few editors guessing at PrimaryTopic. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

The option to delete such redirects was considered and rejected in the discussion preceding the inclusion of [[WP:INCDAB]] in WP:D. Note that that discussion applies specifically to "pages on Wikipedia that have "incomplete" parenthetical disambiguation and no clear primary topic". Unfortunately, that qualification did not make it into the WP:INCDAB text that was actually inserted, however the failed effort to make WP:PDAB a guideline, along with incomplete disambiguations of primary topics that are accepted as titles, like Lost (TV series), demonstrate where community consensus is on this issue. In any case, deleting such redirects was rejected on the grounds that others will be tempted to create articles at them. --В²C ☎ 19:15, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Note: discussion moved from Talk:Madonna (album). feminist 03:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to Madonna (Madonna album) as the overwhelming WP:PTOPIC for this redirect title. feminist 03:39, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Close (defer) this RfD as premature. Wait for the close of Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:56, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• The overwhelming WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Madonna (album) is clearly the topic of the article currently at Madonna (Madonna album), as noted by Feminist above. So, yes, this redirect should, as a minimum, redirect to that article. However, as I noted in the proposal at Talk:Madonna_(Madonna_album)#Requested_move_1_December_2017 the current title of that article is unnecessarily redundant and silly looking, so this title would be a more WP:CONCISE and better choice as title of that article, not merely a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to it. That said, resolution of this discussion should wait for that one to be decided first. --В²C ☎ 05:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Bananana phone

• Bananana phone → Bananaphone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible typo. Aside from the space, no one would accidentally type more than two na’s, as evidenced by the nonexistence of Bananana 165.91.13.163 (talk) 01:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)