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:::I am sorry but there is not a single linguist today, apart from an Albanian, that would defend such obscure statement. Another Albanian scholar, Eqrem Çabej, distinguished linguist himself, states the following: |
:::I am sorry but there is not a single linguist today, apart from an Albanian, that would defend such obscure statement. Another Albanian scholar, Eqrem Çabej, distinguished linguist himself, states the following: |
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:::{{Quote frame |For the scholars of the past century the thesis that the Albanians are autochthonous in Albania since the Antiquity was selfunderstood, so was it accepted a priori. '''''Opposite to it is the stand taken by many scholars and especially their new generation in this century.'''''' |Eqrem Çabej |https://archive.org/details/TheAlbaniansAndTheirTerritories}} |
:::{{Quote frame |For the scholars of the past century the thesis that the Albanians are autochthonous in Albania since the Antiquity was selfunderstood, so was it accepted a priori. '''''Opposite to it is the stand taken by many scholars and especially their new generation in this century.'''''' |Eqrem Çabej |https://archive.org/details/TheAlbaniansAndTheirTerritories}} |
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:::However, this is not the place for leading such discussion, as everything had been explained in another place[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Origin_of_the_Albanians/Archive_5# |
:::However, this is not the place for leading such discussion, as everything had been explained in another place[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Origin_of_the_Albanians/Archive_5#The_Illyrian_origin_section][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Origin_of_the_Albanians/Archive_5#Contemporary_scholars_stance_towards_the_Origin_of_the_Albanians_(Introductory_section)_2]. Bottom line is that Ktrimi991 is not disturbed by my name, he likes my name a lot, but the topics of discussion that I'm opening and the content that I deliver is what itches him the most. This is the true problem for him! And, of course, my forthcoming article. It is thus necessary for him to shut me down and block my account. [[User:Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar|Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar]] ([[User talk:Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar|talk]]) 13:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar
Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar (talk · contribs)
- The username is in Albanian and means “Alexander the Great is an Albanian”. This is a sarcasm and offense that counters with his claims that Albanians have no history and culture. Furthermore, this username touches sentiments of Greek and Macedonian editors because of [1]. Alexander the Great's ethnicity has always been one of the most serious issues covered by ARBMAC. Other editors have advised this user to change the username without result [2]. Created a year ago, the only change to an article was a disruption [3]. Edits articles’ talkpages with offensive anti-Albanian comments then it follows that they are NOT either Albanians, proto-Albanians, pre-Albanians or whatever X-Albanians down to Amoeba Proteus, Albanian culture is rather poor and consists mostly out of the borrowings from their neighbours., its fabricated content seems to be uncontrollably spreading out like an illness and keeps infecting different; otherwise, indirectly related topics with its disease and so on. This editor has written a POV fork of [4]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:02, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Disallow - On one hand it's not a violation because it's no different to having "Dave the Great" however on the otherhand they only edit Albanian related articles so I think this name could cause offense
?, I'm on the fence with this so I'll wait but for the time being I'll stick with Disallow due to their topic interests.–Davey2010Talk 20:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC) Very WeakDisallow In light of linked comments seems to be a troll username but if it were from a proud Albanian would this be acceptable? On the other hand is sarcasm disallowed? Promoting the idea that Alexander was Albanian would be un-wiki-like behavior so is he not allowed to make fun of POV editing? —DIYeditor (talk) 21:27, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments/conclusions. I want to clarify something. It actually is different to having "Dave the Great". The username depicts Alexander the Great, a historical personality of great importance to World's culture as an Albanian. This from an editor who claims Albanians have a poor culture. Sarcasm with some nation's culture is not constructive. The rules of ARBMAC (link to its page is in my first post on this page) say that editors should be careful with elements of the so-called "Macedonian dispute". It is not an issue that touches Albanian editors alone, it touches the feelings of Greek and Macedonian editors as well. In other words, why should this editor choose an username that does make some people feel not comfortable? One username that does touch one or another sensitive issue. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, it does seem to be a troll user name and/or offensive. —DIYeditor (talk) 21:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments/conclusions. I want to clarify something. It actually is different to having "Dave the Great". The username depicts Alexander the Great, a historical personality of great importance to World's culture as an Albanian. This from an editor who claims Albanians have a poor culture. Sarcasm with some nation's culture is not constructive. The rules of ARBMAC (link to its page is in my first post on this page) say that editors should be careful with elements of the so-called "Macedonian dispute". It is not an issue that touches Albanian editors alone, it touches the feelings of Greek and Macedonian editors as well. In other words, why should this editor choose an username that does make some people feel not comfortable? One username that does touch one or another sensitive issue. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Disallow - We have enough ethnic and nationalistic editing, we really don't need to allow ethnic chauvinism in our user names. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Disallow per Ktrimi991's assertions of this user's contravention of WP:ARBMAC, disparaging remarks about Albanian culture and overall WP:NOTHERE behaviour in both their username and edits. LinguistunEinsuno 23:30, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- Disallow per WP:SNOW and everything above. But are this user's contribs only problematic because of their username, or should they be hardblocked? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: In my opinion, the username and NOTHERE behaviour on talk pages combined warrant a hardblock. LinguistunEinsuno 06:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- Disallow –And probably indef. This user is clearly here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS from what I observed. Shortly after his registration he started a draft Origin Hypotheses of the Albanians in March 2017. He continuously edited the draft since then with ultimate aim to completely replace Origin of the Albanians which existed since August 2004 when Wikipedia was young. In that period he also extensively edited Talk:Origin of Albanians to point out Arba/Arbon fabrications and at time reverted archiving bot to resuscitate stale discussion. Feeling that he is done with his preferred draft version he then strangely requested speedy deletion of Origin of Albanians as a spam. It seems to me all his contributions revolve around these three pages and his userspace and clear attempt to right great wrongs. –Ammarpad (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- This request is an obvious defamation[5] attempt which has nothing to do with my selection of name but the content that I'm providing and, more importantly, the topic that I'm discussing. I'm quite certain that both Greek and Macedonian editors, as well as plenty of others[6][7], approve of my edits and content. Completely and truthfully! And since the "Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar" is also a very popular slogan among Albanians, I'd expect Albanian editors to approve of my edits, too. But do they!? Ktrimi991's out of context quotes of my discourse are only ad hominem attacks[8] and personal disqualifications which have nothing to do with my name. He doesn't care about the poor Greek and Macedonian sentiments, he cares about the edits that I make on the Talk Page of the Origin of the Albanians article. He cares so much about my edits that he's trying to stigmatize me publicly by listing my unfinished draft Origin Hypotheses of the Albanians which is, by the way, in full accordance to wikipedia's NPOV policy. And all of this without me even making a single edit on the front page! After illuminating with great care all of the errors and fabrications that have been accumulated during all these years in former article, according to Ammarpad since 2004[9], now Ktrimi991 is trying to get me blocked by collective satanization of my account. DIYeditor thinks that my account is exploited for trolling purposes. After listing 314 citations in my draft, and I'm not done yet, compared to 129 from the other article, I can hardly see how trolling would be the case. Certainly, not everything that I say can be regarded as a "troll". I have pointed at serious incongruencies in that article which cannot be dismissed so easily! Ammarpad also seems bothered by my """strange""" request for speedy deletion of that article as a spam under section G11 which states the following:
- This applies to pages that are exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with Wikipedia:NOTFORPROMOTION. If a subject is notable and the content could plausibly be replaced with text written from a neutral point of view, this is preferable to deletion. Note: Any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. However, "promotion" does not necessarily mean commercial promotion: anything can be promoted, including a person, a non-commercial organization, a point of view, etc.
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G11._Unambiguous_advertising_or_promotion - Firstly, the content of the article Origin of the Albanians does not comply to the wikipedia's NPOV policy, which means that it does not describe its subject from neutral point of view. Secondly, that article promotes Albanian nationalism, which makes it a perfect candidate for speedy deletion under G11 section! I am sorry but Wikipedia is not a propaganda platform to be exploited for nationalistic pretensions along the lines of Aryanism[10], I expect Wikipedia to be beyond that. Now that my article is nearly complete, Ktrimi991 feels the need to block me from functioning on this site. To make myself clear, I don't have problems with that article's parallel existence with mine but the problem becomes quantified when these specific editors, which not need to be mentioned here, are intentionally fabricating other; otherwise, indirectly related articles. These editors can't even cite properly the content by their own scholars from their own scientific institutions due to their nationalistic and propagandistic slavery. Thus, they think that nobody will ever notice anything. But we do, we do notice. Clear example of such contagion is also the Illyrians starting from the very first sentences:
- Quoted text The first account of Illyrian peoples comes from the Periplus of Pseudo-Scylax, an ancient Greek text of the middle of the 4th century BC that describes coastal passages in the Mediterranean.[3]
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians - Although this is only a minor glitch due to ignorance it still reflects the state of these articles. Albanian scientist Selim Islami clarifies:
- The common ethnic denomination "Illyrians" has been mentioned for the first time only in V th Century B. C. by Herodotus (IV, 49) and soon after by Thucydidos (1 24, 1), while their country's name "Illyria" by the middle of IV th Century B.C. by Demostenes (Phil. II, 48).
— Selim Islami , http://www.persee.fr/doc/iliri_1727-2548_1998_num_28_1_1691 - Then we see this transparent fabrication:
- The term "Illyrians" last appears in the historical record in the 7th century, referring to a Byzantine garrison operating within the former Roman province of Illyricum.[7]
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians - The cited source does not state anywhere that the Illyrians are mentioned for the last time in 7th century. What's next, Illyrians in 8th, 9th, or maybe even straight from 11th century when Albanians are mentioned for the first time? Albanian scientist Skënder Anamali explains:
- This is explained with the fact that the Illyrians are mentioned for the last time in the religious history of Euagros in connection with the war of Byzantium against the Avars in 584 and with the consequences following upon the invasions of Avars and Slavs and the settlement of the latter in the Balkan Peninsula.
— Skënder Anamali , https://archive.org/details/TheAlbaniansAndTheirTerritories - And then we see this funny writing inserted bellow:
- There are various modern historians and linguists believe that modern Albanian language might have descended from a southern Illyrian dialect[49][50][51][52][53][54][55] whereas an alternative hypothesis holds that Albanian was descended from Thracian.[47]
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians#Identities_and_linguistics - I am sorry but there is not a single linguist today, apart from an Albanian, that would defend such obscure statement. Another Albanian scholar, Eqrem Çabej, distinguished linguist himself, states the following:
- For the scholars of the past century the thesis that the Albanians are autochthonous in Albania since the Antiquity was selfunderstood, so was it accepted a priori. Opposite to it is the stand taken by many scholars and especially their new generation in this century.'
— Eqrem Çabej , https://archive.org/details/TheAlbaniansAndTheirTerritories - However, this is not the place for leading such discussion, as everything had been explained in another place[11][12]. Bottom line is that Ktrimi991 is not disturbed by my name, he likes my name a lot, but the topics of discussion that I'm opening and the content that I deliver is what itches him the most. This is the true problem for him! And, of course, my forthcoming article. It is thus necessary for him to shut me down and block my account. Aleksandër I Madh Është Shqipëtar (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)