User talk:Smartse

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Notability tag

Hey there, I saw you tagged the newest version of the Revelator Coffee article. COI, fair enough (although I tried to omit as much COI material as possible); but what makes you say that the topic is not notable? It has received in-depth coverage from multiple indpendent outlets, including features, so it should pass WP:GNG/WP:CORPDEPTH. Would you mind explaining your concern? Lordtobi (✉) 16:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: The primary reason for the tag is that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Revelator Coffee closed as soft delete only 6 weeks ago, so two other editors deemed it non-notable then. All of the coverage in the article is in specialist coffee publications or local news which are generally not deemed suitable for demonstrating notability of businesses. This is admittedly a grey area however. Can you link to the three best sources you think provide the most solid coverage about the company and that aren't just routine coverage about them opening a new branch etc.? SmartSE (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks for the reply! I was aware of the AfD, though it seemed to me that the only reason the article was removed was on grounds of being promotional, not unnotable. This is why I attempted to write the article lesser promotional, more notable. Obviously, this is on a local level only, the company has never left the U.S. and I have, honestly, never even heard of it before doing the gig (since I live on another continent). Regarding in-depth coverage, these are a few: [1][2][3]. Eater is States-wide publication from Vox Media, a reliable publisher. Woven, I'm not 100% sure if they are the best fit but the site has been running for some years now and I couldn't find major downpoints on it. Lordtobi (✉) 20:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Hmm fair enough. I'd say it's still barely notable, but it does seem to just cross the line. A load of the content is completely run of the mill though and should be removed. e.g. "In December 2014, Meredith Singer became the company's director of marketing." "1,877 square feet of space" etc. - so what? The paragraph beginning "The usual equipment lineup of Revelator" could be summarised as "it is a coffee shop" not every detail in sources should be included in articles, especially when you have a COI. SmartSE (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Probably true that not every detail is overly important, which is why I did not include every address of every shop, for example. But some key elements like executive hires should be included; after all, we are still including the names in the infobox. That's also how I usually write non-COI company articles. It'd be great if we could sort out major COI issues together, as am I new to that scene. Interimly, should we remove the Notability banner? Lordtobi (✉) 19:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, I was expecting some kind of commumication regarding the aformentioned possible changes, though it has stood still on your side for sole time (see my most recent question from 14+ days ago). Because of this, I had the feeling that the issue had been abandoned [read: resolved] due on my previous reasoning. If this was the case, I don't see the issue in removing the banned whomever the removal is perofmred by; if this was not the case, however, I was hoping that you and I could work towards fixing the article. The present state of limbo is unpreferable for either side, COI'd or not. Lordtobi (✉) 14:02, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Sorry for not getting back to you yet. I haven't forgotten and will respond fully when I have the time. SmartSE (talk) 23:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

• Hey, any update? Lordtobi (✉) 20:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Sorry - hardly around at the moment. I've made an edit to bring it in the right direction. The issue isn't that it is not neutral, but that there was an excess of trivial information. It's a small chain of coffee shops - we don't need to know the name of every person working there or that they serve breakfast, lunch and dinner. I think more should be removed and I am also still doubtful whether WP:NCORP is met - in case you aren't aware, the requirements have been strengthened recently - Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-04-26/Opinion. @Nick Moyes: as they nommed it for deletion before. SmartSE (talk) 14:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

• Jumping into this discussion having found the page through WP:NPP. Lordtobi I assume nothing but good faith from you in this process. However, given that you created this article with the COI and didn't go through WP:AfC as WP:COI says, I would suggest you heeds its strong recommendation to not edit directly and instead use {{request edit}} going forward. I agree with Smartse that the page is overly detailed (and have tagged it as such). I would suggest at this point you take a step back and let other editors work on the article. Again I'm assuming that your intentions here are nothing but to make this a better encyclopedia but think that WP:COI has wise guidance to help us avoid blindspots caused by those COI. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:44, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

• I'm glad the article is taking some direction now. While obviously it hurts seeing large portions of intricately researched details cut, I feel like multiple eyes can tell better what is necessary and what is not. I fixed some typographic errors, that you might have overseen, via AWB and also added an uncategorized tag (apparently I forgot to put any?). It'd be great to see the article streamlined with other, similar topics and properly categorized. Also, would it be possible to re-use the cut references for whatever details you might feel should be covered? Lordtobi (✉) 08:41, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

about File:Ray Dalio.jpg

Hallo Smartse. I received the Wiki mail from you. But I don't understand the mechanism of Wiki mail, I am sorry, I write it here. the flickr link is https://www.flickr.com/photos/15237218@N00/12084252406 and upload date was 16 April 2018. Please check on that. --Y.haruo (talk) 09:03, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@Y.haruo: Thanks for the details. I did receive your original email though and replied to it but maybe it got caught in a spam filter. Sorry for not replying earlier (and also rollbacking your post last week) but I've been away from my desk. SmartSE (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

About Speedy Delition of Contentstack

Hi, I was wondering about the speedy deletion of Contentstack. You mentioned that there's unambiguous promotion and everything, but I do folloqwed the lead other similar products and services laid down for me. What can I do?