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::Actually, a charge of criminal contempt of court in England and Wales is still subject to the same rules on court procedures etc as any other criminal charge. The defendant can be arrested (with or without warrant), indicted (orally or with a document detailing the charges) and summoned to appear, where they are given an explanation of the charge, have a right to legal advice, can enter a plea etc, and evidence of the case must be submitted before judgement and sentencing (no evidence is required if the defendant pleads guilty). The only difference is that the higher courts can deal with the case themselves, and can do it speedily (that is in a few hours from arrest to sentencing, especially when the defendant pleads guilty). [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 00:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
::Actually, a charge of criminal contempt of court in England and Wales is still subject to the same rules on court procedures etc as any other criminal charge. The defendant can be arrested (with or without warrant), indicted (orally or with a document detailing the charges) and summoned to appear, where they are given an explanation of the charge, have a right to legal advice, can enter a plea etc, and evidence of the case must be submitted before judgement and sentencing (no evidence is required if the defendant pleads guilty). The only difference is that the higher courts can deal with the case themselves, and can do it speedily (that is in a few hours from arrest to sentencing, especially when the defendant pleads guilty). [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 00:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Hmm, a journalist getting their facts straight? There's a first time for everything I suppose! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ&nbsp;Mitchell</b>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 01:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Hmm, a journalist getting their facts straight? There's a first time for everything I suppose! [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ&nbsp;Mitchell</b>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 01:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Have collected all the criminal records together in one section, for ease of reference - thanks [[User:Patchen|Patchen]] ([[User talk:Patchen|talk]]) 23:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)


== ‘Those in Roman numerals come first chronologically’ ==
== ‘Those in Roman numerals come first chronologically’ ==

Revision as of 23:59, 1 June 2018

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Royal Naval Division War Memorial

Congrats on the FA! I'm so pleased to see this stub I created back in September 2014 expanded into such a great article. Keep up the amazing work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: Thanks very much, and thanks for your help. The Tower Hill Memorial is next in line. It's almost finished if you feel like taking a look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most definitely. I visited both sites during my visit to London for Wikimania. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 24 May 2018

Request for restoration of IP block exemption

HJ, long time, no see!

About 7 and a half years ago, I asked to be removed from having an IP block exemption. A few months after that, my activity on Wikipedia declined rapidly and I eventually took a 6-year hiatus.

I've since returned and I intend to begin editing full-time. Is there a specific process I need to go through in order to regain my previous IP block exemption? I just want to make sure I have it as I know some of the edits I will be making will likely come from an IP address that is blocked (such as a public place or school).

Thanks! --White Shadows One eye watching you

@White Shadows: Hey! Great to see you back. Things have changed a little bit around IPBE in the last few years. The gist is that admins aren't supposed to just grant it willy nilly. If you find yourself caught in a hard block (bear in mind that hard blocks are rare, and most commonly used for open proxies; and that you don't need an exemption to edit through most blocks, like the ones we normally use for schools or other shared IP addresses), you're welcome to email me the details and I can grant you a temporary exemption but if you're likely to need it longer-term you'll need to talk to checkuser. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:32, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Page edited through protection

This is probably among the sillier ones of these notices that I've left, but I've changed the target of a redirect you full-protected at Prince Henry of Wales to skip a double redirect. Leaving you a note as a courtesy. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:49, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector: Thanks for the courtesy. If you find yourself making any more routine edits through uncontroversial protections of redirects there's probably no need to notify me. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Noted :) Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to report it, but then I thought I could see how the edit could be labeled that way. It's probably more harm than good to get rid of the filter (i.e. identifying people who are trolling and such onwiki). (I think I used "huh" in a rhetorical manner in my edit attempt.) --JustBerry (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@JustBerry: Well it got you reported to AIV! ;) It might be an idea to apply the filter only to accounts that aren't extended-confirmed, but I'll leave that to the people who know what they're doing. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, on seeing your report, I was thinking about that. Where was the report though? --JustBerry (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On the bot page. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:43, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Tommy Robinson

I was only echoing the terminology repeated by multiple sources "...pleaded guilty" including: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/29/edl-founder-tommy-robinson-jailed-13-months User:memphisto

@Memphisto: I'm not shocked that journalists can't get their facts straight but it appears he was't charged, tried, and convicted (which would take weeks at least) but dealt with summarily—at least one source was reporting that he was held in the court cells until the trial judge dealt with him. As far as can tell, that's not that unusual for contempt of court cases, but such cases are relatively rare (and cases that make the national media rarer still). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, a charge of criminal contempt of court in England and Wales is still subject to the same rules on court procedures etc as any other criminal charge. The defendant can be arrested (with or without warrant), indicted (orally or with a document detailing the charges) and summoned to appear, where they are given an explanation of the charge, have a right to legal advice, can enter a plea etc, and evidence of the case must be submitted before judgement and sentencing (no evidence is required if the defendant pleads guilty). The only difference is that the higher courts can deal with the case themselves, and can do it speedily (that is in a few hours from arrest to sentencing, especially when the defendant pleads guilty). Robevans123 (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, a journalist getting their facts straight? There's a first time for everything I suppose! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have collected all the criminal records together in one section, for ease of reference - thanks Patchen (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

‘Those in Roman numerals come first chronologically’

I just want to remark that this note about your talk page archive organization can be grammatically interpreted in two different ways and thus obfuscates the information it is intended to impart. I wondered if you did that deliberately as a test to catch people like me who pick up on it.... damn I got caught. Also I stalked/watch listed your talk page - but in a non-pathological way.Edaham (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.

Arbitration

  • A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.

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