Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Hines

Brad Hines

This article has been created approximately 12 different times, and deleted each time. The earliest delete seems to have been in April. The article appears to me to be autobiographical, as the author at one point signed his name "HINES" on a talk page - however, I have asked him if he is Brad Hines, and he has neither confirmed nor denied it. The links the author gives do not seem to support notabilty. (He was quoted in one line of a story in USA Today, but the article was not about him. The other links are, I believe, mainly about the industry he is in rather than the person himself). An independent search also has not turned up anything notable about this person, and it's my belief that he is therefore not notable. Please let me know if you have any comments or questions. TheOtherBob 01:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

As an update, the author has now blanked the page, so this may be a moot point. However, please feel free to leave comments. --TheOtherBob 01:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It is now un-blanked, so please ignore my previous comment. --TheOtherBob 01:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

FOLKS DO NOT DELETE,

I am the author of this page, and I am not Brad Hines, I work within Yum Domains. When I signed "Hines" it was a joke as you had implied I was in the previous posting. That article in the USA Today was written in the first place because Brad Hines suggested it. You can call up Jon Schwartz the editor at the USA Today and verify this.

The other thing to consider is the fact that as time goes on this entry will only become more valid as Mr. Hines gains credibility (although he is already noteworthy per his age, accomplisments, and press credits that back these up). I blanked the page to start over as I had screwed up my HTML. Also please note I am new to wikipedia.

Please check the entries for both Mark Zuckerberg and Bob Parsons. Anyone can see both these entries are very similar. There is little information on the domain industry on wikipedia. It's people like me that will build this and change it, please help me work together with you folks to make it solid information.

What does it matter if Googling "Brad Hines entreprenuer" turns in little results. That's ridiculous. Try Googling "Brad Hines Domains" A QUARTER MILLION come up.

Respectfully,

Gordon Brown 'Utzchips"--Utzchips 02:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take your word on that - but a friend of Brad Hines is only marginally better. The argument that the person "will be notable eventually" is made pretty often. However, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, it reports those people who are currently notable - not those who think they will be.

Mark Zuckerberg and Bob Parsons work in the same industry as Brad Hines, but that does not make him notable. I work in the same industry as Antonin Scalia and Eliot Spitzer - but am nonetheless non-notable.

(added paragraph:) About the Google hits. I only get about 250. I haven't studied them, but it looks like at least half are about someone else (someone at Lockheed). So 125 hits isn't a lot - I probably have about 50 pages with my name on them, and I'm not actively promoting a business and starting websites that include my name. (end of added paragraph).

You mentioned that you are new to Wikipedia, and I am glad you're here. Although I don't think this article should be included, I nonetheless hope you'll continue to contribute on other ones. --TheOtherBob 02:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is the thing though, the analogy about Zuckerberg or Parsons had nothing to do with industry, I could have chosen Dan Galambous instead for example. It was about the magnitude. All Three are Presidents of their company. Niether zuckerberg nor parsons have donanted an Art club to a university either. In fact, based on what you have told me, zuckerberg's entry ought to be removed. It seems to mostly dicuss his personal life.

Kindly, Utz --Utzchips 03:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

At the risk of selective quoting (which I don't mean to do), Utzchips and I have been continuing a conversation on his talk page (which is not strictly the right way to go about it, but I wanted to feel him out on this issue a bit without clogging up the AfD). Here are a few things I've learned:

1. Brad Hines is about to start managing a rap artist.
2. Hines has an apparently self-published book about how you can get rich buying and selling cars. www.autoprofitz.com.
3. Hines has donated to an art museum.

None of those things necessarily militates one way or the other, and I encourage you to read the full talk page for context if you're interested. --TheOtherBob 04:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Hines donated A virtual museum, not to a museum. He currently manages lenny P and is a rapper himself (montrealbrad.com). Thats not as interesting as his position with yum domains however.--Utzchips 04:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Argh. Now we've got two apparently brand new users with no user pages or discussion pages arguing to keep within 10 minutes of each other. I don't know how to check this out, and I don't mean to toss this accusation around lightly, but they look like sock puppets to me. If they are, please stop.--TheOtherBob 04:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Read my letter above.--Utzchips 05:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:V and WP:BIO. Yes, it's him: he says so on one of the variant images he uploaded for the article (Image:Mef.jpg ("I, the author of this work...") Ultimately, though, that doesn't matter so much as its unverifiability and failure of our biographical guidelines: '"Brad Hines" entrepreneur' gets only 54 google hits. Antandrus (talk) 01:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons I stated in the nomination. --TheOtherBob 01:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• STRONG Delete per nomination, history, and current behavior. wtfunkymonkey 01:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete failing the verifiability and biography guidelines, and salt the article space. NeoChaosX [talk | contribs] 02:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, among domainers, Brad Hines is really well known, even if he's not universally famous. I think the press he's gotten verifies this. '"BradHines" domains' gets 264 hits. I remember when the old rule was "if it matters to 1000 people, its notable for wikipedia." Consdering the ever-growing size of the domain community and the attendence of the conventions these days, I think that Brad Hines surely meets this threshold, especially as the President of Yum Domains. Ivymike21 03:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay then. I should really go create an article about my crush. She's popular, so I'm quite sure at least 1000 of the people at my school would care. Do you honestly think that means she is notable enough for an article? And as for your 264 google hits, that at LEAST picks up every single Brad Hines mentioned on the Internet. And I can imagine the search terms not being in quotes, this giving you results from every page that mentions ANYONE with first name Brad along with ANYONE with last name Hines. -Amarkov ^babble 03:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, salt, and block user if he won't stop recreating an article. This is a conflict of interest, the subject is non-notable except to a tiny group of people (and aren't most of us notable in some way to some group of people?) and the writer is using Wikipedia as an advertisement and promotion. --Charlene 03:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it. This person is indeed as claimed and noteworthy as well as he's been mentioned in the news alot for the domain name stuff lately, maybe the other information should just be removed.--MonMonstah 04:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC) User's first edit. Antandrus (talk)
• Delete. As per above, I am the only person doing my job at the University of Pennsylvania. I have a unique skillset, and have even merited recognition from the top of the Health System. But I am not notable. Individuals doing the same job as hundreds of other people like them in the same organization have merited national and even international recognition in medical research and clinical treatment, and while many of them don't have articles here, a few do. Notability, while subjective, is almost always recognized when it is NOT there. Hope this elucidates the point for the article creator here. - CobaltBlueTony 03:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and agree with the block suggestion. Once could be a n00b mistake, twice or three times a minor irritation, but 12 times? That's just begging for a block. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 04:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I have heard of this person twice now. Also I checked out the references listed and they seem legit too. --SBruz10 04:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC) User's first edit. Antandrus (talk)

What does salt mean?