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:::Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. [[User:JTRH|JTRH]] ([[User talk:JTRH|talk]]) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
:::Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. [[User:JTRH|JTRH]] ([[User talk:JTRH|talk]]) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|JTRH}} I agree that it is unnecessary verbiage. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG#top|talk]]) 03:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
::::{{ping|JTRH}} I agree that it is unnecessary verbiage. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG#top|talk]]) 03:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
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== Living Prime Ministers of Australia == |
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Age difference between U.S. presidents and their vice presidents
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President & vice president | Older | Age difference | Days | Time span | Events | |||||
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1 | George Washington | 1 | John Adams | POTUS | 3 years, 250 days | 1346 | 7 years, 317 days | 2,874 | 1789-04-21 – 1797-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
2 | John Adams | 2 | Thomas Jefferson | POTUS | 7 years, 165 days | 2722 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,460 | 1797-03-04 – 1801-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
3 | Thomas Jefferson | 3 | Aaron Burr | POTUS | 12 years, 299 days | 4682 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1801-03-04 – 1805-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
3 | Thomas Jefferson | 4 | George Clinton | VEEP | 3 years, 261 days | -1357 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1805-03-04 – 1809-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
4 | James Madison | 4 | George Clinton | VEEP | 11 years, 233 days | -4251 | 3 years, 47 days | 1,143 | 1809-03-04 – 1812-04-20 | inauguration – death (VP) |
4 | James Madison | 5 | Elbridge Gerry | VEEP | 6 years, 242 days | -2433 | 1 year, 264 days | 629 | 1813-03-04 – 1814-11-23 | inauguration – death (VP) |
5 | James Monroe | 6 | Daniel D. Tompkins | POTUS | 16 years, 54 days | 5898 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 1817-03-04 – 1825-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
6 | John Quincy Adams | 7 | John C. Calhoun | POTUS | 14 years, 250 days | 5364 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1825-03-04 – 1829-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
7 | Andrew Jackson | 7 | John C. Calhoun | POTUS | 15 years, 3 days | 5482 | 3 years, 299 days | 1,395 | 1829-03-04 – 1832-12-28 | inauguration – VP resignation |
7 | Andrew Jackson | 8 | Martin Van Buren | POTUS | 15 years, 265 days | 5744 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1833-03-04 – 1837-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
8 | Martin Van Buren | 9 | Richard M. Johnson | VEEP | 2 years, 49 days | -779 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1837-03-04 – 1841-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
9 | William Henry Harrison | 10 | John Tyler | POTUS | 17 years, 48 days | 6257 | 31 days | 31 | 1841-03-04 – 1841-04-04 | inauguration – death (POTUS) |
11 | James K. Polk | 11 | George M. Dallas | VEEP | 3 years, 115 days | -1210 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1845-03-04 – 1849-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
12 | Zachary Taylor | 12 | Millard Fillmore | POTUS | 15 years, 44 days | 5522 | 1 year, 127 days | 492 | 1849-03-04 – 1850-07-09 | inauguration – death (POTUS) |
14 | Franklin Pierce | 13 | William R. King | VEEP | 18 years, 230 days | -6804 | 45 days | 45 | 1853-03-04 – 1853-04-18 | inauguration – death (VP) |
15 | James Buchanan | 14 | John C. Breckinridge | POTUS | 29 years, 268 days | 10860 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1857-03-04 – 1861-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
16 | Abraham Lincoln | 15 | Hannibal Hamlin | POTUS | 196 days | 196 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1861-03-04 – 1865-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
16 | Abraham Lincoln | 16 | Andrew Johnson | VEEP | 45 days | -45 | 42 days | 42 | 1865-03-04 – 1865-04-15 | inauguration – assassination |
18 | Ulysses S. Grant | 17 | Schuyler Colfax | POTUS | 330 days | 330 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1869-03-04 – 1873-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
18 | Ulysses S. Grant | 18 | Henry Wilson | VEEP | 10 years, 70 days | -3723 | 2 years, 263 days | 993 | 1873-03-04 – 1875-11-22 | inauguration – death (VP) |
19 | Rutherford B. Hayes | 19 | William A. Wheeler | VEEP | 3 years, 96 days | -1192 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1877-03-04 – 1881-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
20 | James A. Garfield | 20 | Chester A. Arthur | VEEP | 2 years, 45 days | -775 | 199 days | 199 | 1881-03-04 – 1881-09-19 | inauguration – assassination |
22 | Grover Cleveland | 21 | Thomas A. Hendricks | VEEP | 17 years, 192 days | -6402 | 266 days | 266 | 1885-03-04 – 1885-11-25 | inauguration – death (VP) |
23 | Benjamin Harrison | 22 | Levi P. Morton | VEEP | 9 years, 96 days | -3383 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1889-03-04 – 1893-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
24 | Grover Cleveland | 23 | Adlai Stevenson I | VEEP | 1 year, 146 days | -512 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1893-03-04 – 1897-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
25 | William McKinley | 24 | Garret Hobart | POTUS | 1 year, 126 days | 491 | 2 years, 262 days | 992 | 1897-03-04 – 1899-11-21 | inauguration – death (VP) |
25 | William McKinley | 25 | Theodore Roosevelt | POTUS | 15 years, 271 days | 5750 | 194 days | 194 | 1901-03-04 – 1901-09-14 | inauguration – assassination |
26 | Theodore Roosevelt | 26 | Charles W. Fairbanks | VEEP | 6 years, 169 days | -2360 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1905-03-04 – 1909-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
27 | William Howard Taft | 27 | James S. Sherman | VEEP | 1 year, 326 days | -692 | 3 years, 240 days | 1,336 | 1909-03-04 – 1912-10-30 | inauguration – death (VP) |
28 | Woodrow Wilson | 28 | Thomas R. Marshall | VEEP | 2 years, 289 days | -1020 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 1913-03-04 – 1921-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
29 | Warren G. Harding | 29 | Calvin Coolidge | POTUS | 6 years, 245 days | 2436 | 2 years, 151 days | 881 | 1921-03-04 – 1923-08-02 | inauguration – death (POTUS) |
30 | Calvin Coolidge | 30 | Charles G. Dawes | VEEP | 6 years, 312 days | -2503 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1925-03-04 – 1929-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
31 | Herbert Hoover | 31 | Charles Curtis | VEEP | 14 years, 197 days | -5311 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1929-03-04 – 1933-03-04 | inauguration – inauguration |
32 | Franklin D. Roosevelt | 32 | John N. Garner | VEEP | 13 years, 69 days | -4817 | 7 years, 322 days | 2,879 | 1933-03-04 – 1941-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
32 | Franklin D. Roosevelt | 33 | Henry A. Wallace | POTUS | 6 years, 251 days | 2442 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1941-01-20 – 1945-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
32 | Franklin D. Roosevelt | 34 | Harry S. Truman | POTUS | 2 years, 99 days | 829 | 82 days | 82 | 1945-01-20 – 1945-04-12 | inauguration – death (POTUS) |
33 | Harry S. Truman | 35 | Alben W. Barkley | VEEP | 6 years, 166 days | -2357 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1949-01-20 – 1953-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
34 | Dwight D. Eisenhower | 36 | Richard Nixon | POTUS | 22 years, 87 days | 8122 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 1953-01-20 – 1961-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
35 | John F. Kennedy | 37 | Lyndon B. Johnson | VEEP | 8 years, 275 days | -3197 | 2 years, 306 days | 1,036 | 1961-01-20 – 1963-11-22 | inauguration – assassination |
36 | Lyndon B. Johnson | 38 | Hubert Humphrey | POTUS | 2 years, 273 days | 1003 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1965-01-20 – 1969-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
37 | Richard Nixon | 39 | Spiro Agnew | POTUS | 5 years, 304 days | 2130 | 4 years, 320 days | 1,781 | 1969-01-20 – 1973-12-06 | inauguration – VP resignation |
37 | Richard Nixon | 40 | Gerald Ford | POTUS | 186 days | 186 | 1 year, 13 days | 378 | 1973-12-06 – 1974-12-19 | VP confirmation – POTUS resignation |
38 | Gerald Ford | 41 | Nelson Rockefeller | VEEP | 5 years, 6 days | -1832 | 2 years, 32 days | 763 | 1974-12-19 – 1977-01-20 | VP confirmation – inauguration |
39 | Jimmy Carter | 42 | Walter Mondale | POTUS | 3 years, 96 days | 1191 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1977-01-20 – 1981-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
40 | Ronald Reagan | 43 | George H. W. Bush | POTUS | 13 years, 127 days | 4875 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 1981-01-20 – 1989-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
41 | George H. W. Bush | 44 | Dan Quayle | POTUS | 22 years, 237 days | 8272 | 4 years, 0 days | 1,461 | 1989-01-20 – 1993-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
42 | Bill Clinton | 45 | Al Gore | POTUS | 1 year, 225 days | 590 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 1993-01-20 – 2001-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
43 | George W. Bush | 46 | Dick Cheney | VEEP | 5 years, 157 days | -1983 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 2001-01-20 – 2009-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
44 | Barack Obama | 47 | Joe Biden | VEEP | 18 years, 257 days | -6832 | 8 years, 0 days | 2,922 | 2009-01-20 – 2017-01-20 | inauguration – inauguration |
45 | Donald Trump | 48 | Mike Pence | POTUS | 12 years, 358 days | 4741 | 7 years, 261 days | 2,817 | 2017-01-20 – (present) | inauguration – (present) |
Comments
I made this primarily for my own benefit, to validate my gut reaction that the President is usually older than the VP - Obama/Biden notwithstanding. But the data actually shows the 50 "partnerships" are split almost exactly evenly: 26 presidents are older than their VP and 24 are younger. Omitted from the above chart are instances when the vice-presidency was vacant. YBG (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- On average, the president is slightly older than the VP, and the difference is decreasing slightly over time. Haven't checked the weighted average yet. YBG (talk) 01:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- The 26 older presidents are older by an average of 3,748.5 days (97461/26); the 24 younger are younger by average of 2740.4 days (65770/24); in the average partnership, the president is older by 633.8 days (31691/50). The weighted averages are 3854.4 days (144177171 days2/37406 days), 2786.0 days (91120253 days2/32707 days), and 756.7 days (53056918 days2/70113 days) respectively. YBG (talk) 14:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- The non-weighted averages will stay the same throughout the duration of the Trump/Pence partnership, but to bring the weighted averages up to date, add 4741×2,269 to the 1st and 3rd numerator and add 2,269 to the 1st and 3rd denominator. YBG (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Here's the data presented tabularly:
Average number of days the U.S. president is older than his vice-president
(As of October 7, 2024, 2,816 days into the Trump/Pence partnership. Shaded cells automatically updated every day.)Count Average difference Weighted average difference Presidents older than VP 26 3748.5 97451 / 26 Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". / Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". ( 141579103 + 2,816×4741 ) / ( 36858 + 2,816 )VPs older than president 24 -2740.42 -65770 / 24 -2785.96 -91120253 / 32707 ( -91120253 + 0×4741 ) / ( 32707 + 0 )All partnerships 50 633.82 31691 / 50 Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". / Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",". ( 50458850 + 2,816×4741 ) / ( 69565 + 2,816 )
YBG (talk) 06:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Ex officio
- The following is in response to the comment that I made on JTRH's talkpage. YBG (talk) 05:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The Vice President is not "ex officio" the President of the Senate. The Vice President is the President of the Senate. No modifier is necessary. Best, JTRH (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- @JTRH: It sounds like you are using "ex officio" as though if someone holds a position "ex officio" it somehow means they are occupying the position unofficially or temporarily. The President of France is one of the two co-princes of Andorra. To say that he is a prince "ex officio" does not take away from him being a prince, it merely makes a statement about why he is prince. In the same way, the VP is President of the Senate ex officio because he holds that presidency for no other reason than that he is the He is the VP. That is what the wiktionary article means. YBG (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. JTRH (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- @JTRH: I agree that it is unnecessary verbiage. YBG (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. JTRH (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- @JTRH: It sounds like you are using "ex officio" as though if someone holds a position "ex officio" it somehow means they are occupying the position unofficially or temporarily. The President of France is one of the two co-princes of Andorra. To say that he is a prince "ex officio" does not take away from him being a prince, it merely makes a statement about why he is prince. In the same way, the VP is President of the Senate ex officio because he holds that presidency for no other reason than that he is the He is the VP. That is what the wiktionary article means. YBG (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Living Prime Ministers of Australia
Why did my account get randomly blocked with no warning? I had to make this account to see what happened. I have no affiliation with that sock puppet account. All of my work has been deleted. I spent hours on that. :( LR.2004 (talk) 10:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)