User talk:YBG

You may want to increment {{Archive basics}} to |counter= 5 as User talk:YBG/Archive 4 is larger than the recommended 150Kb.

Age difference between U.S. presidents and their vice presidents

Table

President & vice president				Older	Age difference	Days	Time span			Events
1	George Washington	1	John Adams	POTUS	3 years, 250 days	1346	7 years, 317 days	2,874	1789-04-21 – 1797-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
2	John Adams	2	Thomas Jefferson	POTUS	7 years, 165 days	2722	4 years, 0 days	1,460	1797-03-04 – 1801-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
3	Thomas Jefferson	3	Aaron Burr	POTUS	12 years, 299 days	4682	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1801-03-04 – 1805-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
3	Thomas Jefferson	4	George Clinton	VEEP	3 years, 261 days	-1357	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1805-03-04 – 1809-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
4	James Madison	4	George Clinton	VEEP	11 years, 233 days	-4251	3 years, 47 days	1,143	1809-03-04 – 1812-04-20	inauguration – death (VP)
4	James Madison	5	Elbridge Gerry	VEEP	6 years, 242 days	-2433	1 year, 264 days	629	1813-03-04 – 1814-11-23	inauguration – death (VP)
5	James Monroe	6	Daniel D. Tompkins	POTUS	16 years, 54 days	5898	8 years, 0 days	2,922	1817-03-04 – 1825-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
6	John Quincy Adams	7	John C. Calhoun	POTUS	14 years, 250 days	5364	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1825-03-04 – 1829-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
7	Andrew Jackson	7	John C. Calhoun	POTUS	15 years, 3 days	5482	3 years, 299 days	1,395	1829-03-04 – 1832-12-28	inauguration – VP resignation
7	Andrew Jackson	8	Martin Van Buren	POTUS	15 years, 265 days	5744	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1833-03-04 – 1837-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
8	Martin Van Buren	9	Richard M. Johnson	VEEP	2 years, 49 days	-779	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1837-03-04 – 1841-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
9	William Henry Harrison	10	John Tyler	POTUS	17 years, 48 days	6257	31 days	31	1841-03-04 – 1841-04-04	inauguration – death (POTUS)
11	James K. Polk	11	George M. Dallas	VEEP	3 years, 115 days	-1210	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1845-03-04 – 1849-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
12	Zachary Taylor	12	Millard Fillmore	POTUS	15 years, 44 days	5522	1 year, 127 days	492	1849-03-04 – 1850-07-09	inauguration – death (POTUS)
14	Franklin Pierce	13	William R. King	VEEP	18 years, 230 days	-6804	45 days	45	1853-03-04 – 1853-04-18	inauguration – death (VP)
15	James Buchanan	14	John C. Breckinridge	POTUS	29 years, 268 days	10860	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1857-03-04 – 1861-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
16	Abraham Lincoln	15	Hannibal Hamlin	POTUS	196 days	196	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1861-03-04 – 1865-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
16	Abraham Lincoln	16	Andrew Johnson	VEEP	45 days	-45	42 days	42	1865-03-04 – 1865-04-15	inauguration – assassination
18	Ulysses S. Grant	17	Schuyler Colfax	POTUS	330 days	330	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1869-03-04 – 1873-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
18	Ulysses S. Grant	18	Henry Wilson	VEEP	10 years, 70 days	-3723	2 years, 263 days	993	1873-03-04 – 1875-11-22	inauguration – death (VP)
19	Rutherford B. Hayes	19	William A. Wheeler	VEEP	3 years, 96 days	-1192	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1877-03-04 – 1881-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
20	James A. Garfield	20	Chester A. Arthur	VEEP	2 years, 45 days	-775	199 days	199	1881-03-04 – 1881-09-19	inauguration – assassination
22	Grover Cleveland	21	Thomas A. Hendricks	VEEP	17 years, 192 days	-6402	266 days	266	1885-03-04 – 1885-11-25	inauguration – death (VP)
23	Benjamin Harrison	22	Levi P. Morton	VEEP	9 years, 96 days	-3383	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1889-03-04 – 1893-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
24	Grover Cleveland	23	Adlai Stevenson I	VEEP	1 year, 146 days	-512	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1893-03-04 – 1897-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
25	William McKinley	24	Garret Hobart	POTUS	1 year, 126 days	491	2 years, 262 days	992	1897-03-04 – 1899-11-21	inauguration – death (VP)
25	William McKinley	25	Theodore Roosevelt	POTUS	15 years, 271 days	5750	194 days	194	1901-03-04 – 1901-09-14	inauguration – assassination
26	Theodore Roosevelt	26	Charles W. Fairbanks	VEEP	6 years, 169 days	-2360	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1905-03-04 – 1909-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
27	William Howard Taft	27	James S. Sherman	VEEP	1 year, 326 days	-692	3 years, 240 days	1,336	1909-03-04 – 1912-10-30	inauguration – death (VP)
28	Woodrow Wilson	28	Thomas R. Marshall	VEEP	2 years, 289 days	-1020	8 years, 0 days	2,922	1913-03-04 – 1921-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
29	Warren G. Harding	29	Calvin Coolidge	POTUS	6 years, 245 days	2436	2 years, 151 days	881	1921-03-04 – 1923-08-02	inauguration – death (POTUS)
30	Calvin Coolidge	30	Charles G. Dawes	VEEP	6 years, 312 days	-2503	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1925-03-04 – 1929-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
31	Herbert Hoover	31	Charles Curtis	VEEP	14 years, 197 days	-5311	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1929-03-04 – 1933-03-04	inauguration – inauguration
32	Franklin D. Roosevelt	32	John N. Garner	VEEP	13 years, 69 days	-4817	7 years, 322 days	2,879	1933-03-04 – 1941-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
32	Franklin D. Roosevelt	33	Henry A. Wallace	POTUS	6 years, 251 days	2442	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1941-01-20 – 1945-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
32	Franklin D. Roosevelt	34	Harry S. Truman	POTUS	2 years, 99 days	829	82 days	82	1945-01-20 – 1945-04-12	inauguration – death (POTUS)
33	Harry S. Truman	35	Alben W. Barkley	VEEP	6 years, 166 days	-2357	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1949-01-20 – 1953-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
34	Dwight D. Eisenhower	36	Richard Nixon	POTUS	22 years, 87 days	8122	8 years, 0 days	2,922	1953-01-20 – 1961-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
35	John F. Kennedy	37	Lyndon B. Johnson	VEEP	8 years, 275 days	-3197	2 years, 306 days	1,036	1961-01-20 – 1963-11-22	inauguration – assassination
36	Lyndon B. Johnson	38	Hubert Humphrey	POTUS	2 years, 273 days	1003	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1965-01-20 – 1969-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
37	Richard Nixon	39	Spiro Agnew	POTUS	5 years, 304 days	2130	4 years, 320 days	1,781	1969-01-20 – 1973-12-06	inauguration – VP resignation
37	Richard Nixon	40	Gerald Ford	POTUS	186 days	186	1 year, 13 days	378	1973-12-06 – 1974-12-19	VP confirmation – POTUS resignation
38	Gerald Ford	41	Nelson Rockefeller	VEEP	5 years, 6 days	-1832	2 years, 32 days	763	1974-12-19 – 1977-01-20	VP confirmation – inauguration
39	Jimmy Carter	42	Walter Mondale	POTUS	3 years, 96 days	1191	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1977-01-20 – 1981-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
40	Ronald Reagan	43	George H. W. Bush	POTUS	13 years, 127 days	4875	8 years, 0 days	2,922	1981-01-20 – 1989-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
41	George H. W. Bush	44	Dan Quayle	POTUS	22 years, 237 days	8272	4 years, 0 days	1,461	1989-01-20 – 1993-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
42	Bill Clinton	45	Al Gore	POTUS	1 year, 225 days	590	8 years, 0 days	2,922	1993-01-20 – 2001-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
43	George W. Bush	46	Dick Cheney	VEEP	5 years, 157 days	-1983	8 years, 0 days	2,922	2001-01-20 – 2009-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
44	Barack Obama	47	Joe Biden	VEEP	18 years, 257 days	-6832	8 years, 0 days	2,922	2009-01-20 – 2017-01-20	inauguration – inauguration
45	Donald Trump	48	Mike Pence	POTUS	12 years, 358 days	4741	7 years, 295 days	2,851	2017-01-20 –  (present)	inauguration –  (present)

Comments

I made this primarily for my own benefit, to validate my gut reaction that the President is usually older than the VP - Obama/Biden notwithstanding. But the data actually shows the 50 "partnerships" are split almost exactly evenly: 26 presidents are older than their VP and 24 are younger. Omitted from the above chart are instances when the vice-presidency was vacant. YBG (talk) 05:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

On average, the president is slightly older than the VP, and the difference is decreasing slightly over time. Haven't checked the weighted average yet. YBG (talk) 01:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

The 26 older presidents are older by an average of 3,748.5 days (97461/26); the 24 younger are younger by average of 2740.4 days (65770/24); in the average partnership, the president is older by 633.8 days (31691/50). The weighted averages are 3854.4 days (144177171 days²/37406 days), 2786.0 days (91120253 days²/32707 days), and 756.7 days (53056918 days²/70113 days) respectively. YBG (talk) 14:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

The non-weighted averages will stay the same throughout the duration of the Trump/Pence partnership, but to bring the weighted averages up to date, add 4741×2,303 to the 1st and 3rd numerator and add 2,303 to the 1st and 3rd denominator. YBG (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Here's the data presented tabularly:

Average number of days the U.S. president is older than his vice-president
(As of November 10, 2024, 2,850 days into the Trump/Pence partnership. Shaded cells automatically updated every day.)

	Count	Average difference		Weighted average difference
Presidents older than VP	26	-3748.5	-97451 / 26	-	- /	(-141579103 + 2,850×4741 ) / ( 36858 + 2,850 )
VPs older than president	24	-2740.42	-65770 / 24	-2785.96	0-91120253 / 32707	(0-91120253 + 000×4741 ) / ( 32707 + 000 )
All partnerships	50	-0633.82	-31691 / 50	-0	-0 /	(-050458850 + 2,850×4741 ) / ( 69565 + 2,850 )

YBG (talk) 06:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Ex officio

The following is in response to the comment that I made on JTRH's talkpage. YBG (talk) 05:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

The Vice President is not "ex officio" the President of the Senate. The Vice President is the President of the Senate. No modifier is necessary. Best, JTRH (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@JTRH: It sounds like you are using "ex officio" as though if someone holds a position "ex officio" it somehow means they are occupying the position unofficially or temporarily. The President of France is one of the two co-princes of Andorra. To say that he is a prince "ex officio" does not take away from him being a prince, it merely makes a statement about why he is prince. In the same way, the VP is President of the Senate ex officio because he holds that presidency for no other reason than that he is the He is the VP. That is what the wiktionary article means. YBG (talk) 00:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ex officio means you do Y as a function of doing X. It's not a necessary modifier or qualification for the Vice President. "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate" is not "ex officio," that's his primary Constitutional responsibility. The term is unnecessary in this case. It's no more necessary than saying the President is "ex officio" Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. JTRH (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

@JTRH: I agree that it is unnecessary verbiage. YBG (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Living Prime Ministers of Australia

Why did my account get randomly blocked with no warning? I had to make this account to see what happened. I have no affiliation with that sock puppet account. All of my work has been deleted. I spent hours on that. :( LR.2004 (talk) 10:42, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

1st of all, take a deep breath. All is not lost, your work can be resurrected. In a few days or weeks, when I have more time, I will make the appropriate requests to get your work on this template restored.

2nd, this might be a good time to take a wikibreak and concentrate on your off-wiki life.  I have begun a habit of doing this once a year for a month or so, and it has helped significantly in improving my life, both on-wiki and off-wiki.

3rd, please assume good faith on the part of the person who blocked you and deleted your work. Fighting against unconstructive editing on WP is a tireless and often thankless job. We should be grateful for those who do this work, even with the occasional overzealous actions.

Since I do not have access to any special administrative or investigative powers, I can only guess why your account was blocked and your work deleted. But I can assure you that it was not random and not capricious.

I suspect that you are editing from a shared IP address which has been used for unconstructive editing. Sometimes under these circumstances, not only do specific registered users get blocked, but also an IP address or address range can be blocked. It appears that multiple accounts have been used to make similar edits from the same IP address or address range, and a sock puppet investigator concluded that these multiple accounts are being used by the same individual in violation of wikipedia policies, which are quite strict about about enforcing the very limited circumstances under which it is permissible for a user to use multiple accounts.

It looks like previously blocked accounts have been used to edit articles about Australian politicians and railroads. Some of your edits seem to match this profile. This could be for a number of reasons - maybe you are the same individual, maybe you belong to a school or club where lots of people have similar interests, maybe you left your account logged in on a public computer. It may even be that you have made unconstructive edits in the past, but have now decided that you prefer making constructive edits.

Whatever the case may be, I really appreciated your effort to create a living Aussie PM template, and enjoyed collaborating with you.

I hope this setback does not discourage you. I encourage you to continue gathering the information needed for this template. When it is complete, you could send it to me using the "Email this user" feature, described at Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with other editors/Communicating with your fellow editors § Email. Then when I get around to restoring the work you have already done, I can complete your work if you are not able to.

I welcome further interaction, either on-wiki or off-wiki. Thank you again for all your hard work. YBG (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. I don't Wiki that much, but when I saw your awesome template I really wanted to make my own version for Australia. I haven't vandalised anything and I was just really bummed that all my hard work has been lost. I make constructive edits as evidenced by everything I have done, and I really hope there is a way to recover that page, so I can finish the job off! Thanks for your kindness, not many people on Wiki seem to have any social skills, other than banning it seems. Hahaha.