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Administrators' newsletter – August 2018

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

Hi General Ization: Please note that the changes done by me today on all the international players do not need any special sourcing. This information is automatically updated on player's ESPN Cricinfo page, whose URL is mentioned as information source in the infobox. Please guide in case my point is not acceptable to you.

Thanks, Vikram Maingi (talk) 02:07, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Acknowledged. I have removed the warnings from your Talk page and restored your edits. General Ization ^Talk 02:35, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Wiffen

I came across this as a random article. I see you kept my elimination of the ungrammatical and random text. I don't have a vested interest, but I'm not sure this is a Viking name. I couldn't find reliable sources, but goog did turn up these links:

• 'this is an English surname,"
• "Wiffen emerged among the industrious people of Flanders,"
• [1]
  • "English: of uncertain origin, possibly a habitation name from an unidentified place"
  • "WIFFIN: Anglo Saxon WIF, WIFARE: a personal name; Dutch WIJVERING; a family local name: Wifre, a weaver."
  • "WIJVERING - from Dutch immigrants who came to England to help drain the Fens from the 1630's."
  • "WHIFFING - a means of catching mackerel with a handline"

Peter Flass (talk) 13:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

DJ Sasha controversy

He is British, undisputed. Lazz R is the one who is being disruptive, he has cited no sources that would consider him to be Welsh and has ignored the reason as to why his page was moved from 'Sasha (Welsh DJ)' to 'Sasha DJ', read all of the 'request page move' section on his talk page and see for yourself. Also are you giving him a warning to ban him too as he is the one being disruptive? I hope this isn't bias. Sellsomepapers (talk) 15:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Sellsomepapers: You have been advised multiple times now, by multiple editors, to open a discussion on the Talk page if you think this should be changed. You have failed to do so. I am not going to discuss it with you here. If you change it again, you will be blocked for disruptive editing. General Ization ^Talk 15:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

@Sellsomepapers: As for your claim that no sources describe the subject as Welsh, I had no trouble at all finding one in a single, simple search. You can either improve the article or damage it. I suggest you do the former as the latter will result in your being blocked. General Ization ^Talk 15:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

August GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors August 2018 Newsletter Hello and welcome to the August 2018 GOCE newsletter. Thanks to everyone who participated in the Guild's June election; your new and returning coordinators are listed below. The next election will occur in December 2018; all Wikipedia editors in good standing may take part. Our June blitz focused on Requests and articles tagged for copy edit in October 2017. Of the eleven people who signed up, eight editors recorded a total of 28 copy edits, including 3 articles of more than 10,000 words. Complete results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the seventeen people who signed up, thirteen editors completed 194 copy edits, successfully removing all articles tagged in the last three months of 2017. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are here. The August blitz will run for one week, from 19 to 25 August. Sign up now! Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators, Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Tdslk. >>> Sign up for the August blitz! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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Reasons for reversion

--TolhurstJohn (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)Hello there, I've made what I believe is a genuine and useful contribution to the house page.

The house is composed of many systems that deliver to the needs of the occupants. It is true that the solution reflects the culture and resources of the inhabitants.

If you have reverted, you are saying my contribution is untrue or already said. I would like you to demonstrate why, or reverse the reversion.

Thanks very much, TolhurstJohn (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I reverted because I felt your addition added nothing of significant value to an encyclopedic article on the topic of "House". Not everything that is true or currently unsaid about houses needs to be added to the article. General Ization ^Talk 01:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I believe this suggestion is of value. Indigenous people have a right to practice culture. When seeking to improve Environmental Health, governments often fall into the trap of offering the kind of accommodation that they know supports white people in cities. I am trying to establish the principle that the house is a model of culture and that to work, each kind of house requires that particular cultural practices are followed. Therefore donating a house to people who practice a different culture is in danger of not working and in fact this is what we see on the ground. What we see is houses that quickly go into disrepair. The offered solution is well intended but misdirected.

A house is a cultural construct that enables the practice of the culture of the poeple who developed it. This is an extremely important thing to understand about houses and explains a lot of why houses vary from place to place. And why houses that work for some people do not work for others.

As part of my contribution to lifting indigenous health outcomes in Northern Australia I am arguing that we deconstruct the house into the individual systems that deliver the required benefits, so that Environmental health can be improved on a community basis rather than a nuclear family basis.

Understanding that each house is an artifact of the culture that developed it is an important principle that I need to establish. We tend to forget that. The house can also shape culture, so what is provided determines what cultural practices can be sustained. For example, if you are an Australian Aboriginal made to live in a suburban 3 bedroom house in a remote location, you will lose connection to your wider family and to country and as a consequence your health will suffer. This is known now to the case, based on the evidence that has been collected under the Australia Federal Government's Closing the Gap effort.

At present, the wikipedia entry fails to recognise this fundamental point, and is the poorer for it.

Please accept my addition, in support of greater clarity of the deep bond between culture and house form and in support of better housing and environmental health outcomes.

John Tolhurst, Perth Australia TolhurstJohn (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@TolhurstJohn: "As part of my contribution to lifting indigenous health outcomes in Northern Australia I am arguing ... an important principle that I need to establish." No, you don't need to establish it here unless you can provide citations of one or more published, reliable sources that establish it. See Original research. The publication of novel theories and personal opinions of Wikipedia editors is prohibited here in the encyclopedia. If you are here solely for the purpose of improving the encyclopedia, you will need to follow Wikipedia policies. If you are here for some other purpose, kindly stop editing before you are blocked. General Ization ^Talk 14:59, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Rapoport wrote the Book "House form and Culture" published in 1969 which AFAIK is the best source. The concept was taught to me by Phillip Gibbs, who was a collegue of Prof Gordon Stevenson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Stephenson) who did the master plan for London following WWII. So, not my theory, I'm just the guy wanting important stuff recognised. Thanks for knocking me into shape. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TolhurstJohn (talk • contribs) 21:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

2Chainz Edits

Hi. I get why you reverted the punctuation edits, but why did you revert the colon back to a clearly incorrectly used semicolon? "I have a surprise for you; it's cake" is correct; "I have a surprise for you; cake" is not. But "I have a surprise for you: cake," is also correct.

Also why the rv on the Wikipedia wikilink --FeldBum (talk) 17:36, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to repeat the edits that don't run counter to our MOS. What I mainly saw were the issues with MOS:LQ. General Ization ^Talk 17:39, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --FeldBum (talk) 17:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Walter Dean Meyers

Or, when reverting someone's edit, you could leave an edit summary explaining why you're reverting it. But here I am. Why did you revert that link? Czolgolz (talk) 12:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Czolgolz: Or you could read the edit summary I left. General Ization ^Talk 12:48, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) (talk page watcher) According to WP:EL, Wikipedia articles may include links to web pages outside Wikipedia (external links), but they should not normally be placed in the body of an article. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 12:50, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. There was no edit summary originally, that's why I was confused. Czolgolz (talk) 13:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Livermore, California

OK, I'll redo the edits as citations or references instead of links as requested. It is just that the top employers table are significantly out-of-date and there are significant other Livermore sites that should be referenced. Gregt590 (talk) 01:47, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018

Hello, I’m sorry for continuously adding to the page. I didn’t see your warnings but I removed the most recent addition of mine. I have a question though; why was the source I used considered unreliable? Starklinson (talk) 06:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This is for your valuable efforts for reverting and protecting enwiki from Vandalism PATH SLOPU (Talk) 07:50, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

LNER A1/A3

Have you read the sources used in that sentence? I have. That's why I made the change I did - to match the sources that are already there! This wasn't an unsourced addition, just a correction of a misinterpretation of the existing source. (And, incidentally, the statement that 1933 is nine years after 1924 hardly needs a citation.) 81.100.245.192 (talk) 12:05, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Chicago edits

Please stop undoing my changes to the Chicago article. I do not have to provide a reliable source when merely stating that a handful of skyscrapers were constructed in the 1920s, when i linked to each skyscraper's individual Wikipedia page where the year of construction is clearly stated. It's practically common knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.177.32.103 (talk) 13:12, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

See WP:BURDEN. Readers should not have to visit a bevy of other articles to verify that a claim at Chicago is true. Cite a reliable source or leave the article alone. General Ization ^Talk 13:14, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Re: Demographic Tables

Good afternoon! (NOTE: Cross posted from user Mathglot's talk page, as he also sent me a message related to this.)

I wanted to reply to your message and...can't really figure out how to send messages on Wikipedia, so sorry if this is the wrong place, please remove at your leisure. :) But anyway, I was using the Wikipedia pages to build a data table on demographics because I'm curious about data for majority-minority/minority-majority status across the US States, and long-term trends are interesting to me in general. MOST of the pages had such data tables, but the data table listed the White demographic in total (without respect to the Hispanic ethnicity of the population) while the paragraphs immediately above generally listed the Non-Hispanic White population, but not the Hispanic White population (which can be found either on the quick data pages of the 2010 US Census or by simple subtraction). So, needless to say, I was doing this on each page/table myself to get the data to put into my spreadsheet that I'm generating. The reason the division is valuable for the dataset is that Non-Hispanic Whites are the demographic that determines if a state is majority-minority or not, not the overall White population (for example, in California where the overall White population is ~60% but the Non-Hispanic White population is around 36%, making the state majority-minority with an expansively diverse overall demographic makeup).

And I stopped and thought "Wikipedia is supposed to be edited by the body of Humanity to enhance our overall knowledge, right? I'm doing all this work, but it's not being shared with anyone, even though the data is right there. So why don't I make these changes as I go through all the pages to provide that data/ease of reading for other people in the future?" That is to say: I was always taught to share. :)

That, and some pages (like New Mexico's) didn't have a data table AT ALL, so I had to generate one from scratch. Granted, this pointed me to the US 2010 Census page which I can use to get all of my data from (though it's slightly less user friendly than Wikipedia's pages), but it supplies the data and is the source proper for the data anyway.

I apologize for any offense and won't make any more edits. I just was trying to help out since I'm already doing this work anyway, and in the case of the pages that had no table, was trying to bring them in line with the other pages. My base assumption was that since the other US State pages had such data tables, it would make sense for all of them to and it seems the community would accept the presence of the tables (since the majority of the states already have them). But I will cease making any further edits, and sorry for the inconvenience. :( Although I'll note there are probably a few more pages without data tables at all. Should they be left without data tables..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renathras (talk • contribs) 19:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@Renathras: Continue to discuss with Mathglot on your Talk page. I warned you because you appeared to be ignoring the repeated reversion of your edits rather than discuss them. Now that you are discussing them, I will remove the final warning I left for you. General Ization ^Talk 21:21, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I wasn't ignoring them, I didn't actually see the message thing at the top of the page. As soon as I saw the alert thing, I noticed it and read the notices, I stopped. Sorry for the confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renathras (talk • contribs) 22:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Ferb

Hey there,

I see you removed my edit on the Ferb page. That's fine, since I put it in the wrong place in any case. But the article makes no references to "Ferboosh" at all, which Phineas calls Ferb in the opening of Season 2, episode 28 - "The Beak." Can you make a note of it? It's probably not his actual name now I think about it, but I feel it should at least be mentioned in a footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.237.61 (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Mention it if you can find a published, reliable source that mentions it. Your claim of an obscure reference in one episode of the program doesn't represent a reliable source, nor mean that that's the character's name – only that that is what another character called him (once). Also see WP:COMMONNAME. General Ization ^Talk 21:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).

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• The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Rene Zellwegger

Hi.

Why are u removing facts about Rene Zellwegger?