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Debra W. Soh

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Notability TropicalFishes (talk) 18:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I do not think that this person meets the standards for Notability. I raised this point on the talk page two months ago and it has not been addressed. I believe that the point still holds - "On what grounds does Soh meet WP:JOURNALIST? I don't think a single interview and an off-hand mention in an article about a larger movement meets the criteria 'The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors.'. Neither has she produced any significant new concepts, theories or techniques, or a well-known body of work." TropicalFishes (talk) 18:33, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

She's published dozens of articles in such publications as the Globe and Mail, Quillette, and Playboy. Her interview with Dave Rubin has a total of 370K views.

Her interview with Joe Rogan has 1.6 million views.  She hosts a podcast which has 40K listens on SoundCloud alone.  In what universe is she not notable?

Signed - me.

Soh is known for having contrarian views, grounded in science. She's one of a select group of legit, credentialed scientists who have studied Gender dysphoria in children and dared to publicly ask the question, "How young is too young to transition?" To me, this makes her significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Seandevelops (talk) 22:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

This doesn't appear to be accurate. I can find no research that Dr. Soh has done that is related to gender dysphoria in children, though she has done research on a number of other topics (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Soh%20DW%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=26494360). Her work in journalism / science communication is unrelated to her research work. Many clinicians have expressed concerns about the age at which medical gender transition is appropriate. Ray Blanchard and Kenneth Zucker are two examples, who both meet WP:ACADEMIC because of their research contributions. Far from being a select group, their views were the norm in the field until fairly recently. TropicalFishes (talk) 00:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi TropicalFishes, I didn't mean to imply you would find original research on that topic by Debra Soh. But as a science journalist, I believe her contributions in that area (and others) could be considered to be unusual and notable. She does not sidestep taboo topics. #3 - Too Young To Transition? My two cents, anyway. Seandevelops (talk) 05:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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In my experience of seeing her writings' influence in online forums, it seems to be that Soh is more than adequately notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Some indication of this is provided in this article in Psychology Today. I would strongly oppose having this article deleted. Yahboo (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

The guidelines for what makes a creative professional notable are unambiguous (WP:JOURNALIST). Her work being well-received in online forums does not provide evidence that she is regarded as an important figure. A single magazine interview doesn't provide evidence of "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources". — Preceding unsigned comment added by TropicalFishes (talk • contribs) 01:01, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Unsure - She has also published 4 articles in Scientific American, plus articles in the LA Times, CBC News, the Independent (UK), etc, and been interviewed (or had interviews published) in other languages and countries (eg Brazil, Chile). She is cited by other journalists to some extent, but I'm not sure that she meets WP:JOURNALIST, yet. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

• Delete. A journalist's notability is measured in terms of the extent to which she is the subject of reliable source coverage — but of the twelve footnotes here, six of them represent her speaking or writing about herself or other things; four more are glancing namechecks of her existence in articles whose primary subjects are not her; one is a primary source directory listing; and the last is her own LinkedIn. A journalist does not become notable by getting interviewed, or by getting cited by other journalists, or by being the bylined author of content about other things — she becomes notable by being the subject of reliable source coverage about her, written in the third person by somebody else, but exactly zero of the sources here represent any such thing. Bearcat (talk) 06:20, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

you do realize you've just raised her clout and fame even more? what a retard #teamSo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:8100:49F4:1DFA:F76E:7F55:7890 (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)