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Film dedications

Noting here the three dedications at the end of the film (Jackson's grandfather is already mentioned in the article):

Sergeant William Jackson, DCM, 2/South Wales Borderers (1890-1940)
Sergeant Sidney Ruck, 2/Monmouthshires, killed 8 May 1915 - CWGC record
2nd Lieutenant Thomas Walsh, NZ Tunnelling Company and NZ Rifle Brigade, killed 4 May 1918 - CWGC record

Carcharoth (talk) 23:02, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So that would be the South Wales Borderers, the Monmouthshire Regiment, the New Zealand Tunnelling Company, and the New Zealand Rifle Brigade (Earl of Liverpool's Own), yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those are probably the right articles, yes. Not sure if the other two are also from Peter Jackson's family tree. I did find this article (in French) that states that Thomas Walsh was an ancestor of Jackson's partner Fran Walsh (I should have recognised the surname). Have not found anything more on the connection with Sidney Ruck. Hang on. His mother's maiden name was Ruck (Joan Ruck), so presumably from that line of the family. Carcharoth (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think he did mention them briefly during his Q&A session at the premiere. (He mentioned his father, when still a teenager, having to carry his grandfather up to bed on his back, as he could not manage the stairs in later life, such were his wartime injuries). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Historical Accuracy

The section on historical accuracy is cited to a reddit post. This looks suspiciously like original research.

It should be removed.

98.190.223.50 (talk) 22:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Those are probably the right articles, yes. Not sure if the other two are also from Peter Jackson's family tree. I did find [http://www.cinematraque.com/2018/11/11/they-shall-not-grow-old%E2%80%AF-ils-etaient-soldats/ this article] (in French) that states that Thomas Walsh was an ancestor of Jackson's partner [[Fran Walsh]] (I should have recognised the surname). Have not found anything more on the connection with Sidney Ruck. Hang on. His mother's maiden name was Ruck (Joan Ruck), so presumably from that line of the family. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 13:57, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 :::I think he did mention them briefly during his Q&A session at the premiere. (He mentioned his father, when still a teenager, having to carry his grandfather up to bed on his back, as he could not manage the stairs in later life, such were his wartime injuries). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:19, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
+== Historical Accuracy ==
+The section on historical accuracy is cited to a reddit post. This looks suspiciously like original research.
+It should be removed.
+[[Special:Contributions/98.190.223.50|98.190.223.50]] ([[User talk:98.190.223.50|talk]]) 22:02, 22 January 2019 (UTC)