User talk:Martinevans123

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


Wiki Jukebox[edit]

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please donate generously (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Blocks all round?[edit]

"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,
Shoes like dead pigs' noses,
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,
A mouth what never closes."
Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.
Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...
Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"You babes talk about your madison shoes We've got a thing we call the madison blues"

  • What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing
  • The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generator[edit]

Enjoy (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!
[15] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

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Editor of the Week
for the week beginning February 27, 2016
9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.
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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [16]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We miss an article on your trophee (de), seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck![edit]

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle (talk) (cont) 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

2016 Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Search Community Survey[edit]

The Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation has appointed a committee to lead the search for the foundation’s next Executive Director. One of our first tasks is to write the job description of the executive director position, and we are asking for input from the Wikimedia community. Please take a few minutes and complete this survey to help us better understand community and staff expectations for the Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director.

  • Survey, (hosted by Qualtrics)

Thank you, The Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director Search Steering Committee via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have other irons in the fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


Martin, bite, also irony doesn't transfer well on-line unless you know the person. Hence our early protracted wars. Ceoil (talk) 12:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes, I'm always biting off a lot more newbie that I can chew, aren't I. My editing skills transfer even less well most of the time. I have assumed totally good faith with John our family tree man. But thanks for the kind reminder. Would you like me to go and retract all of my comments there? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Not really. I enjoy your comments mostly, but maybe you could engage the man, rather than just simply take the piss. We were all nebs here at one stage, perhaps with not such bold claims, but whatever. I fancy he is an older gentleman, and I always think of my own father and if he was to venture out into the deepest internet's backwater sink holes. Ceoil (talk) 12:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, Ceoil, you and your old quaint Mexican haunts, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Your a very baffling individual. Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
More baffled than baffling methinks... Robevans123 (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I can often be found lurking in the shadows, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Regarding your edit summary here, "Baffling pigs" was a genuine mnemonic in the financial services industry, for the countries using the Euro (Belgium, Austria, Finland, France, Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain). Then those pesky Slovakians and Estonians joined up and spoiled it. ‑ Iridescent 16:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Easy - Baffling Pigs would become Spiffing Bagels. Can I get a well-paid job at Canary Wharf now please? Robevans123 (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Yo, nuff RESPEC' Iri-decent..... I always knew that Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain were essentially pigs. But I get them confused with PIGIS, thanks to Paddy McGinty's swine. Any anyway, adding Estonians and Slovakians just makes PIGSES. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Martin, I was going to throw you an Eno tune to throw water under the bridge, but his representatives dont want us listening on you tube, seemingly. I got you this second rate Bauhaus cover instead. Its not exactly a pigs sow, but not the dogs bollix I wanted either. Ceoil (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, thanks, but that's really just like throwing petrol onto the general pork bonfire here, isn't it!?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. don't worry, Ceoil, you're not a swine, really.
You obv haven't been following my contribs, block log, or the que between here and my inevitable date with arbcom ;) If I tool up I reckon I have a fight chance. Ceoil (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, you stand an excellent chance. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Ahem. I'll get my coat. Ceoil (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
But I'm glad we've made up at last. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


[17]. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah, how very touching. Great to see the Duchess of Brenda giving us a little peep of her private world. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC) [18]


I think the detail about the inspection is not important. The inspection would have been performed before the Continental even took off and lost its strip, leaving it essentially worthless in this case. -- (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you take to the Talk Page for such a major change. It's been like that for quite a while? Your edit summary was not sufficiently convincing, for me anyway. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I will be restoring the rest of the edits I had made other than that while the topic is discussed then. -- (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
It turns out I'm not the only one to notice this problem. More credence to the fact that it should be removed. -- (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me. Any discussion is better placed at Talk:Air France Flight 4590. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for David Nott[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 15 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article David Nott, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that David Nott (pictured) is often styled the "Indiana Jones of surgery"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/David Nott. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, David Nott), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for including me on this, Cas Liber - I had no idea! But, my privilege. Just one of the many notable Welsh Notts, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
  • What actually happened was that I added you and Charles to the credit list in the DYK nomination when you made several edits to the new article. When Casliber cranked the handle to put the DYK onto the mainpage, a bot processed that list to distribute messages like this. The DYK process is quite complicated and there are many such steps in assembling and posting the batches. Andrew D. (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks Andrew, and well done. I'm certainly not complaining! You deserve 95% of the credit. I'll gladly settle for less than 5%! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • The nice thing about such credit is that it can be multiplied and shared without loss. But if you want more to do, please take a look at this list. You'll be familiar with the issues from our work elsewhere... Andrew D. (talk) 10:40, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Many thanks for that link. An interesting article which the general reader will probably find fascinating and may well act as a "first step into Wikipedia" for the casual internet browser. I think exactly the same issues apply as at List of unusual deaths, which of course has had some of our "serious editors" veritably foaming at the mouth in the course of its 8+ RfDs. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't look now[edit]

But the overlord of prog organ is on Wikipedia...... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Wow dude, we are truly not worthy. Unless he's just bluffing, of course. And I guess he'll soon be indeffed for WP:COI... but I must try to say hello before he is. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC) I thought he was just an underlord, anyway?!. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

  1. The guideline is that any editor can remove any content they choose from their talk pages, except for declined block appeals while the block is in effect (and a couple of other minor items). They are entitled to remove block notices. WP:BLANKING
  2. The convention is that blocked editors should only use their talk pages for discussing or appealing their block. You are allowed to discourage the IP from developing article content on their talk page while blocked, although it's normally not worth worrying about.
  3. An IP doesn't have a link to Special:MyPage/Sandbox, so although they can create one if they know how, it's probably not productive to suggest that they should use it to practise editing.

Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 00:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's very useful, thanks. I had forgotten IPs don't have a sandbox. I must admit I've seen wide variation in how the Talk Pages of blocked editors are treated. I was rather thrown by the comment of User:Ponyo who said "I pulled their talk page access. It's clear they don't intend to request an unblock". I must have assumed this somehow meant the repeated restoration of Talk Page content had been justified. That was the only reason I intervened. And I made a mistake by restoring content in order to complete my posts - I was trying to engage the IP in dialogue, but I should have just started a new thread regardless. Perhaps I was a little naive expecting any reply. Is User:2001:558:6020:161:25DF:CBA7:CD64:6450 a sockpuppet? Looks very much like it. Hard to know who User:2602:306:3357:BA0:3564:6A6E:3B00:BB6D is. Good luck with those two. I guess trying to deal with the constant tidal wave of vandalism is one reason why editors end up leaving the project, as it often seems to be a complete waste of time. Who knows, perhaps we are short of admins. On seconds thoughts - none of it is worth (me) worrying about. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

I had a feeling you'd like that birthday bit. Happy belated! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:56, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Haha, yes, how lovely. Good advice. Ahem, yes it's a while since my own 18th, I must admit. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I'd just meant belated since whatever your last one was. But cheers to the inexorable march, anyway! Decent little tune there. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, June 16, 2016 (UTC)


Please be careful with Reflinks, it's changing other links as in your edit here. Mlpearc (open channel) 22:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I usually try to scan everything it does before accepting. I must have missed that. Could you recommend a better/ cleaner tool? It's not good on date formats. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry no, the author has been made aware of the issue, as it's been happening to others also. Mlpearc (open channel) 22:42, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the note. One comes to depend on tools so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
STOP using reflinks if you can not review your changes Mlpearc (open channel) 15:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
The problem here was two internal links instead of one? Or was it the introduction of a redirect? Are we expecting the redirect for Member of Parliament (UK) to change some time soon? It leads to exactly the same place as Member of parliament#United Kingdom? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
It's not about ending up at the same place, it's about not using a redirect when it's not needed. The problem are users not using scripts they way they are supposed to. Just review your edit before saving, simple. Mlpearc (open channel) 15:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
That was my first use of REFLINKS again there after your polite request of last night. I reviewed my edit. I made a decision that the other changes were not problematic. I judged the second link useful and the replacement of the section link by the redirect as irrelevant. Perhaps we ought to agree exactly which additional actions that REFLINKS performs are a problem. I didn't realise it was such an ENORMOUS PROBLEM. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Civility Barnstar Hires.png The Civility Barnstar
You deserve it for keeping the sometimes intricate debate on Talk:Death of Jo Cox on a steady course with a cool and clear head. I always enjoy good debates and exchange of ideas, you learn a lot from them if they include civilized people just wanting to do what is best for the article. You are definitely such a person. Cheers! w.carter-Talk 20:43, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
That's very kind of you, W. Carter. And you have the good sense and humility to admit when you've made a mistake, even a very small one. We just don't see enough of that! Cheers to you also. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

If only Hafs was still around....[edit]

If only Hafs was still around... emotional Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

3 - 0!!!![edit]

Top of the group table!!!!
Gareth Bale training earlier this week....[1]
An amazing performance Martin. Well done. You should be very proud. Few pints of Brains tonight? --John (talk) 20:58, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
"Skull Attack here we come"..... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
For once, let someone else be the one posting the gratuitous Youtube link. ‑ Iridescent 21:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Haha, yes please, be my guest. How wonderful. I could not have made a better choice. Already rushing off to add at "Use in popular culture" in Do not go gentle into that good night. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC) ... unless someone gets there first, of course...
Ahem. I'm still not sure whether you actually watched the whole game, as I have not seen anyone use the phrase "like three-legged donkeys on ice-skates". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Altogether, now.... "One Gareth Bay-yul, There's only one Gareth Bay-yul, One Gareth Baaaay-yul..." etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
And good luck tonight to the Boys in Green... who, if they don't win, can always fix car roofs. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC) Well done Ireland!! Fully deserved.
And well done mighty Iceland! Supported in France by 8% of the country's entire population. If only their commentator could have been a little more emotional? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
It sounds better if you say "They played with 0.01% of their adult male population behind the ball". (Really. Do the maths yourself if you don't believe it.) ‑ Iridescent 22:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
How amazing. Whereas... "In England, the prevalence of obesity among adults rose from 14.9% to 25.6% between 1993 and 2014". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. special 3-for-2 offer on Black Forest Gateaux this week only.
On the other hand, according to New Scientist obesity in Whales is in decline (I blame the EU's fishing quotas - though possibly not for long...)! Those Icelandic commentators are typical tight-lipped northerners – I’m sure they could learn a thing or two from the stoical and entirely unemotional response of the Italians when they win/lose against Spain on Monday! Speaking of defying stereotypes, of course England won’t be crashing out the same day… well, ok we probably will. But it would be no bad thing if underdogs Iceland replicate the feat achieved by Denmark in the ’92 finals - the amazing breaks made by the Laudrup brothers back then were unforgettable. JezGrove (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, superb weren't they, especially with those Danish matchstalk cats and dogs. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
On current form, England couldn’t light a fire even with matchsticks. Though they could soon be singing "I ain't got no matches but I still got a long way to go" as they head home. BTW, I’d be happy to see Wales go all the way, too - Gareth Bales' goal from that free kick was worth so much more than the two scrappy ones we managed to scramble into the net! JezGrove (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Never mind a fire, us Swedes can't even light a fart.Nattuggla (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:29, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Brilliant. But ecologically sound. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────"Those teardrop tattoos are now tears of joy". So unlucky Croatia. Gutted. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

What a performance!! Heavens to Murgatroyd the dream final of Wales v Iceland is still possible!! Likely probably not but possible :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Those first six minutes were quite good, but things went down hill after Rooney scored. Who knows, Iceland might go all the way. (I'm saying nothing about old geezers full of hot air). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I gotta say your WP:EGGs are the best :-) Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
"This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, 'Doc, my brother's crazy, he thinks he's a chicken.' And the doctor says, 'Well why don't you turn him in?' and the guy says, 'I would, but I need the eggs.'" - Woody Allen, Annie Hall. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Staying in?[edit]

I'll probably regret making this early prediction, but I'm taking off my bra and relaxing (metaphorically, you understand). Forget Brexit, it looks like we'll get Bralaxtit. Of course, we'll soon find out if I lacked support - in which case it will be down to Nige's voters crawling over broken glass (sounds like he must drink in a REALLY classy pub...) JezGrove (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry, Jezza... me and Nigel know "just how you feel". We'll be in the dog house tomorrow. I'll just duck out of this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
... I think we both know that the people Of Great Britain would never be so stupid as to turn their backs on Johnny Frog and Klaus Kraut. "People of Europe we salute you"... just off to the bookies now to collect my winnings.
Sigh - still, I wasn’t the only one getting their early predictions wrong. Baby, What a Big Surprise! JezGrove (talk) 08:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
England and Wales 2 - Northern Ireland and Scotland 2 (England and Wales win on number of corners). Time to move to Scotland and hope for some more referendums (or should that be referenda?)...
I demand a recount... one of those votes followed a clear offside and one of the others followed a crippling foul!! Penalty shootout, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Does this mean that Wales and England have to pull out of the Eurozone (leaving a place for Scotland)? Robevans123 (talk) 08:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Penalty shootout, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2016 (UTC) don't worry, when all this fuss dies down, Cameron has promised me a nice cushy job selling bent bananas in Brussels.
I take it all back - Vote Leave have delivered exactly what they promised, and on Day 1! "We'll take back control of our borders!" Of course, you sometimes have to be careful what you wish for… ps: I (sort of) understand the reasons for the Sunderland referendum result, but what was going on in Wales? (With some magnificent exceptions, of course). JezGrove (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, funny that, isn't it. And we must have all imagined they'd never notice. "Ah weel say zees only warnce... we are totarly fooked". (It's probably a ploy by the secret exponents of "Llap Goch" to take over the world...) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. so long and thanks for all the lemmings
Haha. You're welcome to the lemmings - although I suspect only slightly more than 50% were stupid enough to jump, and the rest were pushed. Was the image you conjured up of Leanne as "First Dai" intentional? JezGrove (talk) 22:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I admit, shamefully, it was. But it's all very baffling. Even Monmouthshire was incredibly close - in fact, I thought this was the kind of result that would be reflected nationally. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC) It's at times like these that I reach for my trusty vinyl ZZ Top and feel grateful for small mercies.
One feels sorry for Scotland, now that Boris and Nigel have persuaded us all to leave Europe. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2016 (UTC) [19]. [EU warning: this comment may be partly recycled.]
"And the grass is greener
On the other side
That's where I want to be
Somewhere that she can really see."

I was reminded of a story my grandfather used to tell, recounted to me by my father, of someone he knew who was once driving his old Morris van, at night time, on the A479. Descending the steep hill on that road, between Talgarth and Builth, he found his brakes had failed and he careered through the hedge and turned the van upside down. As he sat there, trapped in his van, he began to hear the sound of petrol dripping into the interior from the upturned petrol tank. Searching frantically in his pockets, he was relieved to find his pen-knife. He reportedly would later say: "I was so lucky because I knew if the van caught fire at least I'd be able to cut my throat!" Lucky indeed, but he survived his ordeal. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. how much will it cost to change all of these back to that nice blue colour?

Ha ha! Was he a Dibbler? It's all been a bit of an own goal... Robevans123 (talk) 10:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Well yes, it seems he may have been. But after that wonderfully sharpened penknife expertly provided by Boris and Nigel, it looks like the knives are out over at Corbyn Towers. Altogether now.... "They smile in your face, but all the time they want to take your place...". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't know - I think he has lots of support in front of him... Robevans123 (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Oooo, wikid vid, dude.... like the bleakest ever episode of Wallander, but with added blackness. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
p.s. but that catchy ringtone is quite a meme, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
For me it was the most memorable part of the Branagh version - much preferred the Henriksson version, although Branagh was better matched in age for the later episodes he then spent most of his time staring meaningfully into the middle distance... Robevans123 (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Haha. Yes, I agree, I much prefer the original Swedish version, which just seems more authentic. All that mumbling and hesitation; and the Alzheimer's just makes it worse - he can barely finish a sentence. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary date[edit]

Must confess I wasn't sure what do do here, but it makes more sense not to have it. This is Paul (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, me too. Not wrong, but a bit unnecessary and slightly confusing, I thought. So hearings are occasionally delayed? Big news! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
I had a lot of unnecessary dates in my life, until I hooked up with Tinder. Might I suggest Grindr. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
How very inclusive of you, "Old Softie". I'm sure either would do fine, at a push, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. you can't beat proper grinding, but I do like a bit of instant now and then.

One hump or two?[edit]

Yes, as you might have guessed, I found a Camel LP lurking at the back of the cupboard, and cleaned it up and gave it a spin. Meanwhile, shouldn't this read "Bee Gee"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Not too sure. I think their spirits live on (probably in that beard). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. 'ere mate, I found a whole box of camels hidin' in the back of me sideboard the uvver night! What a cheek... coming over 'ere, replacin' our good British fags!!

Failures in football and politics – but we’ll be resilient, and who wanted to be in the Euros anyway?![edit]

Now there's a surprise – England's lacklustre millionaire footballers beaten by a country that doesn't even have a single professional team, and which has only one resident who plays the game for money... Still, now that Roy Hodgson has resigned perhaps we could have a job share? It looks like Corbyn could be out of work soon and looking to exploit his experience of motivating left wingers, and though Cameron's attempts to play on the outside-right have clearly failed, he will soon be available to offer his skills (?) as a defensive midfielder. BTW, good luck against Belgium! JezGrove (talk) 22:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Oops! I meant to say "and which has only one resident who plays the game for money in the (English – and Welsh, well sort of) Premier League". Still, perhaps my total ignorance of the game will see me leading the English team to oblivion in 2020? Though not before I’ve got my tax affairs in order, obviously … (I’d brand myself as incurably delusional, but Jeremy 'Hunt' is thinking of running for PM – we need that 'Brexit bonus' invested in mental health services, and fast!) JezGrove (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Quite a few bottles of Head & Shoulders may be tipped down the drain over this, and the article Joe Hart is now semi-protected. He let in a goal that a Sunday League goalkeeper should have saved, but it wasn't all his fault that England were rubbish over the whole ninety minutes.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 04:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, poor Woy. I thought his hair looked lovely. I demand a recount!! (- apparently if you get more signatures than the number of people in Leicester, Europe has to take you back.) As Jezza suggests, we need a new leader - someone who will make sure we're not the laughing stock of Europe!! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. or else just bring a 18-year old out in the last three minutes and hope he can sort out the mess?
It's amazing to think how many people spend their hard-earned unemployment benefit on Sky subscriptions to pay the £150,000 a week salaries of England footballers. Since Italia 90, England have won only two games in the knockout stages of a major tournament (Denmark 3-0 in 2002 [20] and Ecuador 1-0 in 2006 [21]) They lost all of the others, including Iceland last night. On this type of form, Elvis will turn up on Shergar before England win a major tournament.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it's been like getting “goals from a rocking horse”, hasn’t it. But I think we'd need a more thoroughbred jockey, as the King is otherwise engaged. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Bad luck, Poland, yet again Quaresma strikes. Just the big game tomorrow now.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

He’s got Momentum – but is it taking him in the right direction?[edit]

I see Mr Corbyn has finally decided to put up a passionate fight for 'Remain' at last – a shame it's just when nearly everyone else appears to want him to support 'Leave'…. JezGrove (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I know, let's have a Labour party referendum, closely followed by a national economic crisis and then a huge official petition expressing bitterness, frustration and regret. Blimey! those shadow cabinet members are now revolving faster than one of Tony's spin old doctors. But listen, Jezza... take a tip from our Nigel (who must be happy in his world) .... your supporters will be crawling over broken glass to vote for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
If you act quickly you could get your 15 minutes of time in the shadow cabinet. As long as you are willing to play along and vacate when the music starts up again in 15 minutes. Softlavender (talk) 05:55, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Let's hope there'll be someone left around to turn out the light. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
... Meanwhile, over at Camp Boris, now that he's been "completely knifed".... "Women of Britain Say Gove"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, about that .... If you would kindly leave your resume, I will fast-track it and put it at the top of the pile. We have an opening coming up in the position of "prime minister", and we haven't found a good fit yet. The previous employee is leaving us a bit in the lurch. I think you'd be a good fit, and we're all looking forward to having you on our team. Softlavender (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
A good fit, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Dodgy behaviour by Academy school’s pupils?[edit]

I've no idea what this tells us about the next leader of the UK, but one anagram of the Tory party leadership contenders' surnames - Crabb, Fox, Gove, Leadsom, May - is 'Foxglove Academy mobs bar'. Presumably it doesn't bode too well for former Education Secretary Gove? One thing I AM sure of is how glad I am that there's no 'r' in 'Gove', so I'm definitely NOT related (insert your own 'r's hole joke here…) JezGrove (talk) 22:31, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

(We're all still waiting for Jezza "Hunt" to throw his hat into the ring). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

FAC: Agharta (album)[edit]

Hi. Would you be interested in reviewing or commenting at this FAC nomination for Agharta (album)? More input would be appreciate, as it appears one reviewer has become inactive there. Dan56 (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I'll try and take a look. I don't know that album at all, so that would be very interesting. It already looks very good. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
@Dan56: Sorry, Dan, busy with Neighbourhood Watch issues and watching some sporting hopefuls. I'm guessing Prism is not around. But it looks like Eddie Hugh has done a very thorough job. And you seem to be making very good improvements. I see there was also this one abandoned two years ago? Did you want me to do another complete review? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Church Stoke[edit]

I think that your recent addition to Church Stoke#Methodist church is too close to the text in your cited source. This is shown by this tool. Close paraphrasing violates the Wikipedia:Plagiarism policy. Please reword this section to summarise the cited source. Thanks, Verbcatcher (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your polite note, Verbcatcher. And thank you for not threatening to block me, as another editor did a short time ago, for a similar misdemeanour. Thanks also for the reminder of that useful tool. As my edit summary over there may have suggested, I was "having difficulty in paraphrasing what seem to be a set of clear facts". In fact, I seem to have particular difficulty with descriptions of places of architectural interest that can be found at official listings such as I think architectural terms are meant to be quite precise and cannot easily be paraphrased. And my own personal architectural vocabulary is, in any case, somewhat limited, I think. So I'm going to delete most that description and hope that someone (perhaps your good self?) could demonstrate how the source text can be adequately paraphrased. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

3 - 1!!!![edit]

Into the semi-finals!!!!

"One of the finest performances in the history of British football" - Gary Lineker (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant - really well-deserved! Portugal will be a breeze after Belgium, hopefully JezGrove (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC) ....[22]
Feels quite good, actually. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Being English, I wouldn't know... JezGrove (talk) 21:21, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
My father enjoyed talking about a player getting "faked out of their jock strap" Well Robson-Kanu did that to three Belgians on that second goal :-) What a Friday night it is for the teams fans. Have a great weekend M and other tpw's. MarnetteD|Talk 21:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
What a game! I could be tempted to switch codes! thoroughly entertained... Robevans123 (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Congratulations Martin, bloody delighted! Watched in delieria. Ceoil (talk) 08:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
And comforting that Shogun Bale managed to survive the ravages of a demented giraffe in clown wig? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Even more comforting that the win over Belgium wasn't reliant on a goal from Mr Bale - the team is stronger than some commentators had acknowledged. JezGrove (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, and a good job the matches are not all played late in the evening. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


"There was a young player named Özil,
Who's feet were a bit of a pözil,
He got a good hoof on
To slip one past Buffon
And showed that he wasn't a würzil."
ffs, Boeteng, this ain't Broadway! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
"I'm a great big penalty-taking Old Hector!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC) [23]
No-one ever misses penalties like that in a shootout with England, and God knows we need all the help we can get...!JezGrove (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
True, but at least we now know that Germany can miss. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Portugal 2 - Wales 0. Two good goals. Wales, you still played really very well and deserved something on the scoreboard. Da iawn, tîm! Rydych chi wedi gwneud i ni ymfalchïo. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Just desserts!JezGrove (talk) 09:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Asa Bennett[edit]

Feel free to remove it if you think it's not important. After all, like you say he's not a well known journalist. This is Paul (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Paul. Thanks for the note. I must admit I am sceptical. I've seen other material removed by those who think "an opinion piece" is just that and is not of any consequence unless reported by someone notable, or "an expert". I think even broadsheet editorials don't always qualify for inclusion these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Well at least I've heard of him now! Who said he's just a "poor man's" Robert Peston?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:51, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
I must confess I wasn't familiar with him either. But I've removed it anyway, since really it states something that's fairly obvious. No doubt UKIP would have rallied its supporters to sign the petition had the result been to remain. This is Paul (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

A Gaelic Blessing[edit]

A Gaelic Blessing for you, deep peace, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Gerda. I'm sure I will enjoy that. Good luck tomorrow night! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
It's soft and gentle. - Sorry about you and your team, - need sleep, - "healing light" is part of the text --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Don't be sorry for them! They played very well. Yes, we all need a bit of sleep I think. Light does indeed heal. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
waking up I remembered something --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Don't worry Gerda, I'm not transforming into some kind of ungeheures Ungeziefer. (Well, no worse than usual, anyway.) Martinevans123 (talk) 07:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC) p.s. although it seems I'll keep everything anyway.
It'll be a lot more boring round here for a month. Keep smiling and enjoy the music. Robevans123 (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
spirale of justice
I accept not to worry, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that amazing relief carving "first time round", as they say. The Cambridge Singers one has the words and music, which is useful. But I thought this one sounded "more live". (Let's hope there aren't any "unresolved copyright issues" to contend with). A beautiful piece. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I sang under Rutter's (spontaneous) conducting hands once, - look for his name here, 1998. Never managed these so far. DYK that Ferdinand Dugué was written by an author banned on the French WP and working miracles here? So much talent wasted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Amazing. That that is an immense piece. But sounds so very English, haha. I must brush up on my French (I like the one with a silent D). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Many Colors Of A Rose (194905300).jpg
Of a Rose,
a lovely Rose
He introduced the Magnificat to a hall full of choral conductors. We sang the Childhood Lyrics, he made a comment and then - surprise! - started conducting them, all five, in good spirits, and then said: "I completely forgot that I composed them." - Did you know that I wrote the Magnificat article? And the other? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
They both look great. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

New day, sweet way, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

ps: deep peace approved --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

10 July

It took only 300 years to restore her good name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

July 2016[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Request unblock of Martinevans123. Thank you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:03, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Abusing checkuser[edit]

outside Hi, I'm contacting you (and @Ritchie333:) because I saw the ANI report and because I have the similar case as you.

Apparently, some experienced editors have found a nice loophole on how to ban any editor they wish.

Your ISP uses a certain range of ip addresses. For instance mine uses several ranges, one being Apparently, the only thing that is needed to block a person is to accuse him of being a sock of someone who uses the same ISP. Then they both will have the same ip prefix and appear they are the same person.

I still haven't figured out the way they find ip behind a username. However, requesting cu until a suitable candidate is found can work, especially if a suitable candidate had used several isps.

I come from Croatia where User:Asdisis is that candidate. There are only a few isps in Croatia so it's not hard to ban a lot of people as socks.

Here's how to ban someone. The discussion [24]. The user that you want to ban [25]. The repeated cu requests outside spi [26].

Other cases that I had caught [27]->[28]

My case: I'm being forbidden to post sources: [29] (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC) In fact, I know one way to get someone's ip. Cu editors can see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Look dude, you were suspected of being a sock of Asdisis, and CU confirmed that; no SPI report is necessary for a well-evidenced suspicion of sockpuppetry. Editing logged out is block evasion, and you will not be allowed to do that. Softlavender (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
I hear Dubrovnik is lovely at this time of year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Wouldn't know, never been there. Sorry if I bothered you, but I noticed that ani report. I don't believe an experienced user like you would edit while logged out with the same ip as logged in. You could always post from different places with different isps. Cu are faulty and abused in some cases. Anyways, it's stupid that someones vote should matter. Consensus isn't established by vote. Well in theory... (talk) 01:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016[edit]

It's been a bit boring here without you around. Hope we'll see you around in a few days and that you've enjoyed your wikibreak! If you didn't catch the David Bowie BBC Prom - watch on the iPlayer - well worth it. Have you made it up to Abergavenny for the eistedfodd? Watching the crowning of the bard as I write. Whenever I see all those bardic robes I think it's going to break out into some Dennis Wheatley inspired ritual involving blood, altars and virgins, but you just get the dance of the wood nymphs... Robevans123 (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, Rob. I am, in fact, away on holiday. I've missed the Y Fenni grand robing, alas. But I see Llangollen has gone a bit Punjabi this year. Looks very lively. Yes, I did catch the first half of that Prom - Neil Hannon singing "Station to Station" was a particular highlight for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Looks like WP:BROTHER is occasionally wrong eh Face-wink.svg Muffled Pocketed 19:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh Fortuna, yes. But not 'orf, pop-pickers. Although their first mega-hit only a lowly UK 52, their tempting 1988 sockerooney was from that wonderfully pulsating SAW platinum chart-ripper with a message. But thanks for being so discrete there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC) (allegedly)

Sorry to see this[edit]

As you know, I haven't been around here for a while, so I was very sorry to come back and see you'd been blocked. Haven't a clue as to why - way above my Wikipedia paygrade to understand all that Admin stuff - but very sorry nonetheless. However, the block seems almost to be over, so I hope you have enjoyed your break and to see you around soon. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 07:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I am still enjoying my break, thanks KJP. Who knows, I might even return. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


Hi Martin, I can see from my notifications that you have sent me an email but I can't find it in my inbox. This may be due to the reported problems with Wikipedia email not working at the moment. If you could resend it to that would be great.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:07, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Sent as requested. How very strange. Seems to be working fine for User:Mandruss. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. just watching this amazing artefact on BBC4. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Snap! Incredible, The Must Farm site is very interesting. I've been to nearby Flag Fen. Interesting to see visitors there, but they only seem to accept groups. I feel a Wikimedia meetup could be arranged... Robevans123 (talk) 20:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
That's just astounding. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC) ... and Alice Roberts is equally stunning, of course.
Thanks for the email. It looks like the problem may be confined to some email providers. The original Wikipedia email was sent to a address, but I didn't receive it. When I get the time, I'll experiment with different addresses to see If I can find one that works with the "email this user" feature. Other people are reporting the same problem.[30]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Jug addict[edit]

Cripes, it does seem ewer a little hard done by. — Lady Gargoyle (talk) 19:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC) [31]

Great jugs! EEng 18:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
"Out, damned sock! Out, I say!... What, will my Talk Page never be clean?"
Alas, my Wiki t-shirt never felt quite so wet. "... now Muriel, how's about shakin' it around a little..?" [32]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. still awaiting a joint email Stewards' enquiry by The Jockey Club and Mike V.
That's quite enough of your theatrics. There ain't no socks here... --Colin Occupantsofinterplanetarycraft (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
I really miss Richard and Karen's home-knitted morbidly co-dependent soothing warmth, don't you? I'll have to pencil the spooky space one in for my Crimbo list. But sorry to say I only lasted 29 seconds with that new Irish Boy Scout-themed video. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Not sure what I have for you, Martin. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
You asked about accounts - I sent you the link. But don't worry, I'm sure Mike will email me a reply when he has a spare moment. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2016 (UTC) [33]
Great rack and beautiful balls, too! EEng
  • Oh, I saw the accounts. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikibreak is over - back on your head[edit]

Stop, Listen and Learn with Noddy. Croeso Nol. Robevans123 (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Diolch. That's one devil of a joke. But I must say, "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Goblins" (October 2, 1998) looks quite intriguing.
"Do you really ever edit, or just pretend?" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
And you're needed at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Edwin_Stevens_(missionary). EEng 18:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
As you know, I'm hopeless at the missionary position. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC) [34] Had you ever thought of copy editing for The Daily Mail?
hopeless? - I approved it. - Were you hopeless regarding the position of an infobox in a composer's article? TFA yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Great to see that for Ketèlbey's "A State Procession" the king and the queen stayed in the royal box to listen. *smirk, smirk* Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Apparently, Sir Cliff has been rehabilitated, but these days you only need to be a C-list celebrity to get into the royal box... Robevans123 (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
... a cross between Bad Girls, Footballers' Wives and Waterloo Road?? ... what can one expect. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
During your break, you may have missed that we had a thread in your name which also shows me pictured with my flash mob. - Your grain of salt would certainly improve the two discussions on Gustav Holst, unless you want to add to ARCA right away ;) - You can rest In a Chinese Temple Garden, and please remember to change your socks daily. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
What a complete outrage! It's that insane colonist yet again... As is I were some uncouth troglodite! Do you take me for a complete booby?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. I'd advise anyone to take a look at the charming display over at Museum of Cryptofascist Bromance
Looking at who created the booby, that's probably the last opera I should equip with an infobox ;) - What do you think of life is too short? Largest on top of my talk. - EEng's hook is in danger, sorry about that, remember the one about the monster (my heart swims in blood) fondly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Life certainly is too short, Gerda, and I was very sorry to hear of Kevin's passing. But I'll never see another booby without thinking of you. Sometimes I just feel like a right tit (boyo). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad to see you're back (not to be confused with seeing your back, on which I'll decline any offers). I trust your feet have been warm, but that your new footware will be fully approved. (And aren't you hopeless in any position?) --Tryptofish (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Shucks, rumbled again. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC) sadly Anthony Ray's oeuvre has largely passed me by, but great to see my pussy's on Broadway

Croeso'n ôl Martin, welcome back. Missed you. Daicaregos (talk)

Diolch yn fawr iawn, Dai. It's very nice of you to say that. And give my regards to our good friend Dailaughing. Maybe I'm just in need of a little therapy? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Vell vlight sergeant Oevens, your break for zer vreedom did not vork. Ze Zwiss border you did not reach. Now zou mus pay. A veek listening to a zong of our allies. You vill enjoy! Dismiss! [[35]]. Irondome (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Crushingly funny, alas. Here's the missing Gabbana link, you lovely fragrant iron sweetheart, you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see Christmas has come very early this year. Loomis Pooter? - wasn't he in that Bridget Jones's Diary? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Finca los Principes, Rioja.jpg listed for discussion[edit]


A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Finca los Principes, Rioja.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Kelly hi! 07:10, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.I must admit that I didn't check the tags given to all the other images at Wine bottle, with which I had thought this one was pretty comparable. It's hard to illustrate wire netting without showing the entire bottle. Bottles with the label turned away seem far less attractive, to me anyway. By the way, I found this one of Old Beardie's better offerings: "This smooth raspberry and cranberry-kissed wine is a beauty with lithe fruit notes and no ugly lingering tannins or woodwork. If you like unruffled, languid reds with silky notes and haunting mulberry and fresh herb flavours then this is your wine." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Westhoughton Cowshead.jpg listed for discussion[edit]


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Thanks for letting me know. I could always nip back with an aerosol and try to improve it's fop potential? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Putchers.jpg[edit]

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Thanks for letting me know. It's now nearly 9 years since Adrian was kind enough to email his permission to me to use that image, which at the time appeared on his webpage here. That email has long since disappeared, as has The Goldcliff Fisheries. I see that the photo was used, by Peter Coates, in his 2006 book Salmon, published by Reaktion Books, ISBN-13: 978 1 86189 295 9, ISBN-10: 1 86189 295 0: see pages 113-114 Coates credits the picture: "photo courtesy of Adrian Williams, Goldcliff Fisheries" (see page 210). Adrian was obviously not the photographer, as the photo was taken, according to Coates, in 1923. I'll try and track down Adrian again, but I don't hold out much hope. It'll certainly take longer than a week to get an OTRS ticket organised. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
It would be a shame to lose such a useful image of a now disappeared trade. I never realised it was such big business. I'd only been aware of elver catching in the area. Robevans123 (talk) 12:28, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think Gloucestershire is quite big on elvers! It's a great picture of George and I suspect there were probably many more taken at the time. He lived for many years at the tiny Cherry Tree Cottage in the village (he was there when Fred Hando visited for his 1964 Out and About in Monmouthshire) with his six children and his housekeeper Miss Wood, his wife having died in about 1939. In my youth I often used to visit Miss Wood, who lived on in the cottage and survived to a considerable age. She was a fiercely independent soul and always smoked Woodbines. She kept a solitary goldfish, which had lost all of its colour and was perhaps as old as she was, in a bowl on the front window-sill. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Wonderful stuff. Miss Wood sounds formidable. Are you sure it was Woodbines and not rollies from smuggled tobacco that the excise men didn't find! I've not got Out and About in Monmouthshire, bit I have his Monmouthshire Sketch Book and Chris Barber's Hando's Gwent. Great artist/historian/story teller (and useful for the odd interesting Gwent factoid). I think Barber has the copyright on Hando's work - I wonder if he'd donate a few drawings to illustrate the article on Fred. Oddly enough I'm looking at a Hando sketch of a Goldcliff putcher...
Been doing some reading/research on fish weirs round Anglesey and Carmarthen. Seems tidal fish traps carried on a lot later around Goldcliff than other the parts of the Welsh coast.
Do you know anything about the "Fred Hando" seats? Erected in his memory at the places of his favourite views of Gwent. I have no idea how many and only a few online references to some locations. Could make a good little list article. Robevans123 (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there's a wonderful sketch of Whittaker on page 18 of Out and About in Monmouthshire (one of my most favourite little books). I suspect Hando's work is far too good to ever appear here. I'm afraid I don't about the seats - Grym Turtle might know more (... if he ever dared to humiliate himself by coming to this sordid and nefarious Talk Page). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
You rang? This business about the Hando seats came up some time ago. Unfortunately, my answer now is the same as it was then. I'm from Barcelona. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Make yourself useful for once[edit]

Can you look over Talk:Patent_leather#GA.3F for anything you see that would prevent qualification for GA? I'll do the review myself, but I'd like a preliminary opinion first. EEng 03:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Ooo, stinging. But of course, I'm always partial to a bit of Grace. "A tear of petrol, Is in your eye, The hand brake, Penetrates your thigh." Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC) .. or even a touch of Lou.
Have made a few tweaks, but I can't find the second (ref name=Gilman). The url leads to a list of Google search results, but I can't see the 1906 edition of The New International Encyclopaedia amongst them. Any ideas? Also surprised to see no mention in the article of patent leather in the fashion of the swinging sixties, e.g. Biba, Mary Quant, Twiggy, |Nancy Sinatra etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 17 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. oh, and did I mention that whole second section without any references... which is an "immediate GA fail"??
Reads like a psychpathic mental case to me... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, Paley, you old bed sitter, you. Great to see you lurking in the shrubbery once again. Trust you to dredge up some classic Almond. "You must be nuts!" (But EEngie is a bit like that, isn't he?) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes are cool[edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for adding the infobox to Kelly's of Cornwall. North America1000 11:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I deliberated over this, but I reverted you, Martin, sorry. My reasons are here, which may (or may not) surprise you. CassiantoTalk 12:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
Past(y) caring. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

What a shame[edit]

Great addition to the jukebox. Unfortunaly my 70s glitter balls are a bit tarnished and don't get used so much as they used to . Ah well, back to the hockey (although lacrosse has better memories from the seventies for me...). Now, where did I leave the brasso? Robevans123 (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Lol. Am shimmying across the kitchen floor, in lurex hotpants, even as I type.... Yes, it's a gem, and generally regarded as the inspiration for "Hot Stuff" on the Stones' Black and Blue. I want to add this to both articles, but the best source I can find so far is this one: [36]. Any help appreciated!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
.... OMG!! first Janáček at The Proms and now this!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC) ... it makes one proud to be Jamaican.: [37]
Sheet music for Bells Across the Meadow.jpg
DYK Light music
Here's something lighter: Bells Across the Meadows, - better late than never, I received the DYK credit already on the composer's birthday 10 days ago, but it didn't appear then ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
ps: that's an interesting composer's article, isn't it? - I didn't know that even infobox company is contentious, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
It's like a little sanctuary of peace and calm. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
It wasn't all peace as the talk page will tell you, but at least one of the shortest infobox discussions in recent history, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Absolutely brilliant - Maddie Hinch is amazing! Just what I needed to clear mind of the image of a lurex-clad shimmying editor from Gwent. No obvious sources for the Hot Stuff/Shame Shame Shame link. Missed the Janáček - will have a listen on the iPlayer. Looking forward to tomorrow's Prom. Robevans123 (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
You'll be pleased to know that later I slipped into some very tasteful sequined spandex jeggings. But, as you know, I've very partial to my beige crimplene leisure slacks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, looks very good. I don't know Mahler's Rückert-Lieder at all. But I'm guessing that Gerda will know all about Mozart's Great Mass in C minor, K. 427. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
They are both worth a listen. I've sung the Great Mass, not as memorable as the Requiem Mass, but still good. Robevans123 (talk) 22:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
"Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen" is one of my all-time-favorites, and we sang the Great Mass, although our conductor doesn't like Mozart, that recommends the piece ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Gerda. Just beautiful. Magdalena Kožená is amazing. Just incredible. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Beautiful singing tonight in the Prom by Tanja Ariane Baumgartner, who ended with that one. According to BBC Radio 3's Penny Gore, Henry-Louis de La Grange thought that song was the high point of Mahler's entire output of Lieder. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, no German article (yet) for the singer, but good reviews. Go ahead, start it, I would help. I think that song is the high point of Lied. He used the material for the Adagietto of his Fifth. What do you think about replying "In meinem Himmel, in meiner Liebe, in meinem Lied" in infobox discussions, to mark some distance? How would you call a template for that text, now that we have {{Fuck off}}? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
"Template: Fuchs", perhaps?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Why? Stoepel? 2013 when I thought the infobox wars were over ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Haha, yes, Robert "Stoepel, Gerda, Stoepel!". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow, Gerda, that looks like an interesting venue. The accoustics must be quite different to the usual church venues. Robevans123 (talk) 22:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Simply excellent, one voice carries without amplification, - Andreas Scholl performing He was despised, hurt and fragile, was breathtaking, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Well I must say the Eder Great Mass tonight was quite stunning. But more like a grand Opera than a Mass, I think! Still utterly wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
In a state of shame (because of "my" warriors' hitlist), I have some good music to listen to, top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

St Mary's Priory Church, Monmouth[edit]

Glad to see you're back. On the matter of links for the above, neither 26 or 27 are working. Are they essential? Link 12 is fabulous. That altar painting is dirtier now (April '16) than when I was singing Venite Adoramus there as a school boy and I had no idea what it actually depicted. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

How bizarre. Instead of a motoring mogul I get a Getty Images picture of the Mobot!? I'll search for Father Lister's installation. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I'd forgotten that sketch! As to Charles Rolls, I think it wise to remove the link to Mo Farah. Otherwise, it might suggest Lady Llangattock was rather free with her favours - this [38] suggests that is unlikely to have been the case. KJP1 (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Not exactly the Spirit of Ecstasy there, is she. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Had she been the model, I fear she would have rather compromised the aerodynamics. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I suspect that one wouldn't want to try and touch her up. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Apparently, a worker on her estate was berated when she spotted his bike outside a pub (she was an ardent teatotaller), he replied that he often left his bike under her bedroom window, but that didn't mean anything...
And oddly, I've also sang at St Mary's as a school boy in the school carol concert and can remember starting at the altar painting. Robevans123 (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow, that's kinda Spooky!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC) .. and for some (as usual, Freudian) reason, that Lady Llangattock story immediately reminds me of Billy Connolly on the Parkinson Show
Which reminds me of a recent advert... Robevans123 (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Hahaha. Had not seen that one. Typical cyclist's nonchalance. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

RIP Toots Thielemans[edit]

So, farewell cowboy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Seen here as an 77-year old spring chicken, with a friend, in Stockholm. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for that link, amazing. Wow, that is so cool! Just beautiful. Another harp genius, for sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Golden Hollywood Contest[edit]

Doc's just started up this contest about topics and articles covering Classical Hollywood cinema. Do express if you are interested or not by signing up under the "Editors Interested" section. Thanks. Face-smile.svg  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 10:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah! Those classic Golden Hollywood movie lines!
"If you want me, just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you, Sven? You just put your lips together and Blofeld." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
So you're in?  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 11:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Yvonne: Will I see you tonight?
Rick Blaine: I never make plans that far ahead.
Sam Spade: This contest is stuff that dreams are made of. ;-) Think about it and let me and doc know. We'll be waiting for you, Marshal. At the O.K. Corral. Face-smile.svg  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 11:19, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Glossary of darts[edit]

For consistency sake, yes, I guess this was indeed better! Thanx for noticing. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 11:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I feel Betty would have been proud. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Maybe because I'm Dutch but, waddayamean by that? OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 15:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Apologies. In the UK, Betty was just a TV soap opera embodiment of the popularity of the game. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah... That's why. In the Netherlands we do know Coronation Street, but I've never seen a single episode myself. Thnx. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 16:09, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
  • Never understood the British fascination with darts. All the appeal of putt-putt, in my opinion. Softlavender (talk) 13:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
And today's Cornish CoppaFeel puzzler: take a look at this image. Does it look to you like the people there "carried fake breasts pending a walk over the Tamar Bridge", or that they had "removed their boobs pending a walk over the Tamar Bridge", or possibly both? Handy hint: note that word pending. Answers on a less offensive postcard, thanks. Wholly agree with Newyorkbrad on this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I saw my username in the edit summary. If you're in the mode of agreeing with me, I'd appreciate your removing the box at the top of the page, or at least the reference to Fram in it, as uncollegial and unhelpful. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 09:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, of course, even though it was Fram who suggested I go there. We wouldn't want to be uncollegial to our fellow editors, would we? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
No one has a sense of humour anymore apparently.--MONGO 09:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
It's certainly safer not to try, isn't it. I didn't realise that Brad had my Talk Page on his watchlist. I'm still totally unable to see why either of those hooks was "less accurate" than the other - must be my "clouded thinking". Yes, an admin made an "involved" revert, but I really think a quiet word to them would have been more effective. I personally don't find use of the word "boobs" offensive, but I can understand why some folks would. It's not just one word, though: knowing several people who have suffered from breast cancer, I can see why the phrase "removed their boobs" might seem wholly inappropriate in that hook. And I suggested at the discussion that there might also have been Eng Var considerations. But we do seem to have recurring problems with that "quirky fifth hook ... that ends up with someone going to ArCom." DKY can be so entertaining these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC) [39]
Now that the WP:AN thread has been closed, by User:SchroCat, I wonder would User:Fram like to explain here about the "Error on Main Page for 12 hours, after involved admin reverted it ion the main page to the wrong version!" (emphasis added), and why we got that one-person mini-crusade against Ritchie333? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Strange, everyone at WT:DYK understands why that hook was wrong. Including people who wouldn't hesitate to point out my error. Only one person here who sees Ritchie333 as a holy cause to defend apparently. I've just seen your pathetic attemps to defend him on AN after my last post there, I thought the replies you got there from others would have made it clear to you by now. No idea why you choose to continue this, you are only making a fool of yourself here. Fram (talk) 06:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Not just here, but over at User talk:Alanscottwalker as well of course, where at least Alan has had the decency to discuss without insults. Your AN thread was closed as "moot" (with not a small hint of "complete waste of time")? I thought, as did others over there, that both hooks were "wrong", for different reasons. And I don't think small local newspapers are the best source for establishing clear fact for something that happened 18 months ago. But the rules of Wikipedia must be enforced, mustn't they. Better a fool than a humourless overbearing pedant, perhaps. But thanks for the kind note. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. the diff you provided was this one which has the magic word "pending".
Both hooks may have been wrong, although no evidence has been presented that Gatoclass hook was factually wrong, only offensive to some apparently. But I pulled the whole entry, not simply changed it; I did not post or repost a "wrong" version. As for my diff, that was for indicating the involved action. I notice your discussion at Alanscottwalker's talk page, and I admire his patience in explaining the obvious. If you don't think "don't think small local newspapers are the best source for establishing clear fact for something that happened 18 months ago" then please educate Ritchie333 on not trying to do this again in the future. If we can't establish the clear facts on something, then we shouldn't be posting it (in the article, and certainly on the main page) as if it was a clear fact... But you efficiently derailed the AN discussion, congratulations on achieving that. Fram (talk) 11:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Your edit summary says “What does it matter if both hooks were "wrong", I pulled it, I didn't change it) “ Are you joking?? You described one hook as “incorrect” ... in fact, that was your headline, wasn’t it? I never saw you diff at the ANI discussion for Ritchie removing the word “pending”. Is it there? Re: “someone who likes to misunderstand everything only to defend a wikifriend”, and “pathetic attempts to defend him on AN”, I’m very sorry if it comes as a surprise to you that people can actually make friends while editing at Wikipedia and may even try to support them when they make a mistake. I had no intention of derailing anything, but rather suggesting that your dichotomy of “correct and incorrect” was a false one. If you disagree with SchroCat’s close of that thread, and indeed User:The Voidwalker’s re-close, I’m sure you can re-open it. I think your opening of that thread, in the first place, was wholly over-the-top, and came across as unnecessarily blunt and vindictive. I can’t quite believe the phrase you then chose to use at ArbCom discussion of User:The Rambling Man: “The problem at DYK is... people like Ritchie333... ” Just my opinion of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh dear... I described one hook as incorrect since it was factually incorrect (unsupported by its source). It makes no difference for my actions whether the hook by Gatoclass was morally "wrong" but factually correct or not, so yes, to me and in this discussion, it doesn't matter if both hooks were "wrong" or not, the one I pulled was wrong and that's the one that matters here (and even if that one hadn't been wrong, Ritchie333 still wasn't the one to make the change as being clearly involved). "[...] people can actually make friends while editing at Wikipedia and may even try to support them when they make a mistake." That's natural. What is not correct is people claiming that their friends made no mistake and were correct all along and there is nothing to see here when everyone else sees that a mistake was made, even when not everyone agrees on how big a problem that was. No idea what you are claiming with "suggesting that your dichotomy of “correct and incorrect” was a false one." his hook was incorrect under Wikipedia and DYK rules, as it was clearly not supported by his source. No idea either why you bring up the close of the thread, since when were we discussing that? (it seems you disagree with it though, considering "I'm sure all concerned have much, much better things to be doing than dragging this out any further.") Feel free to indicate which parts of my opening statement at AN were "wholly over-the-top, unnecessarily blunt and vindictive". My supposed statement “The problem at DYK is... people like Ritchie333... ” can not be found in that discussion. Fram (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
You claimed I "derailed the AN discussion". If you feel that strongly, you should re-open it, and politely ask me not to contribute. Ritchie wasn't "correct all along", and I have not claimed that he was. The hook with the word "pending" still seems to me to be a perfectly fair and reasonable refection of the sources. I'm sorry, I won't change my opinion on that. But I guess you'll put that down to my "clouded thinking". Sorry to characterise your approach as one which covers more than a single discussion. I'm sure you don't want to give the impression of nit-picking, win-at-all-costs, no-room-for-compromise, my-way-or-the-highway condescending pomposity, do you?. Kindest regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah, changing your posts after I have answered, making my answer incorrect or meaningless... Yeah, I surely wouldn't want to give an impression of win-at-all-costs to a master of the trade. The hook version you now seem to have made into the cornerstone of your defense was there for one minute[40][41] (the edit summary on the first was incorrect, but as this was corrected in the next edit by reverting back to the one he intended, I didn't nitpick about this). The hook that was pulled, and the hook that Ritchie333 wanted to have, was not the hook you are going on about. The diff was there to indicate the start of the revert and the start of his involved edits, but I'll try to remember next time something like this happens to give a fully detailed step-by-step analysis. For now, unless you have something new or interesting to say, I'll leave you well alone here. Fram (talk) 13:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
That was a lovely minute and I will treasure it forever (even though I wasn't there) - I feel you could have helped it last longer. Sorry for writing "AN" when I meant "ArbCom" and thanks so much for pointing out my mistake so soon. I think a "fully detailed step-by-step analysis" was sadly lacking from your AN report, having been already started at the DYK discussion page. Sorry for just relying on the links you provided in the AN thread. I very rarely claim "new or interesting" and usually just make do with "positive contribution". I expect you get folks writing in all the time to thank you for your diligence. You make me feel like giving up Wikipedia altogether, but I guess you'd see that outcome as a minor victory. Martinevans123 (talk) p.s. "good luck" with your new and interesting contributions over at ArbCom.
My-way-or-the-highway? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Shocked and alarmed. As if anyone would want to lurk in the shadows and read this litany of tortuous bile-filled mutual wrist-slapping just for cheap laughs. At least I didn't call Fram a complete dick. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Phew, just in time! And I'm not even totally stoned. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. " 'ere mate I 'ad that "Ed Ominem" in the back of me cab the uvver night.... a bit like that Yorkshire Nipper he were, but not as friendly.... stone 'em then string 'em up, I say... it's the only language they understand, mate....etc., etc."

Record Breakers[edit]

Crouch Touch Pause Engage - World's largest scrum at Llanrumney. By my reckoning that'll be four props and a few hundred hookers.

Good to see our Nige getting his GCSE results as well. Robevans123 (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

That's a big scrum! What's it all about, eh? I think Gareth's brave dummy scissors did more for LGBT equality in Wales than had previously been achieved in decades. And a big up to Nigel who is, without doubt, today's finest rugby football referee...."who, dear? me, dear? referee, dear? yes, dear!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC) ... you'll have to excuse me.. am rockin' out to this gem and this classic, stuck on repeat, natch'
Yes - two great icons, and Nigel is the finest rugby football referee ever! Hope you had your leathers on while you were rocking around the living room. Robevans123 (talk) 09:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
How very dare you! My well-worn originals, if you don't mind ... and it was the kitchen, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC) I'm beginning to think that's one of the best numbers they've ever done (and a witty video by John Keeling (not that one)). I realise Rossi was keen to trade in the ponytail for a beard, but it's just all equally good rockin' to me.
I can't keep up with you young whippersnappers and your changing fashions. My zoot suit is just the job when I hop round lindy in the kitchen. Hope you're going to visit Porthemmet while you're in Kernow. Robevans123 (talk) 22:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Wow, sounds bril? - hope she doesn't mind too much. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) (sorry, yes, am spinning a bit of a yarn here. In fact am only diving a few wrecks with my mate Malcolm - do you think we're too late to pick up a few BMW motorbikes?) ...or is it just my "cloudy thinking" again??

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in with whatever area of the British Isles or subject that they work on. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:01, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I do try to contribute, Blowers, but I always seem to make such a fist of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

twaddle, silly[edit]

you are really starting to bore me and showing up in multiple chats I am involved in -I look forward to when that stops Govindaharihari (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Please show us all the diffs to these "multiple chats you are involved in". Please stop adding WP:FORUM material to Talk:Traingate, such as: "Corbyn is a massive certainty to win and this trash traingate nonsense will, has made no difference at all - as you can see in the odds, if you bother to look". And please try to stop deleting whole sections of that article, on the basis of your own personal opinion, before discussing at the Talk Page there. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Your a policy jocky , you upset a lot of people with your games, you should take better care to avoid that. Govindaharihari (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Could you possibly re-arrange some or all of those words to make a coherent sentence? And what about those "multiple chats I am involved in"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
There you go again - you are basically similar to a troll, you put people down at every opportunity behind your claimed internet persona, you should stop that./ Govindaharihari (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I have no idea what your previous post meant, if anything. How's your own "claimed internet persona" going? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. very sorry to bore you.

Ages ago, but[edit]

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Muffled Pocketed 17:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for your note. Quite amazing, isn't it, the lengths that some folks will go to get an article mentioned on the front page. Even those who have been faithfully editing for over two years, created 28 new articles and made over 12,000 edits? All those arcane historical tomes, those stuffy unknown sources, those abstruse expert academics. The sort of rubbish you'd have to go to the ends of the earth to read. I am truly amazed. But I'm glad to see an apology was offered, after your prompting, five hours later. Well, at least you've been compared to the handsome and dashing Richard Gere, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
...."It's just two-way traffic on a one way street"... survival of the fittest, it's the law of jungle."
Man, it was gonna be bigger than The Vegas Job Facepalm3.svg Facepalm (which I've just noticed has been so whitewashed that it doesn't even call it a hoax). H'mmm. Muffled Pocketed 11:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes, Vegas was quite big. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC) [42]

Help needed[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm User:Robevans123. An edit that you recently made at Wikipedia:Miscellany for enshrining/User:EEng seems to include a recursive navbox. May I remind you that recursive navboxes are particularly dangerous for new and inexperienced editors. I'm currently stuck at level 7. Could you throw down a rope? Thanks. Robevans123 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Haha. Don't blame me, I only added the music! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Oops - hope User:Tryptofish doesn't feel left out,,, Robevans123 (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Throw down a rope? Yet more with the double-entendres! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Eh? Personally I find all of Cheshire East quite respectable. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

OTRS issues[edit]

I'd like to explore your statement that the OTRS process is 'open to wholesale abuse". Per Wp:beans, Please send me an email if you think explaining it online would further potential for abuse.

I would also be interested in your thoughts on an alternative process.

I'd also like to understand why you think there is a problem relating to File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg. The imagesimage has been uploaded, and as soon as a valid permission statement is provided and reviewed everything will be fine. I reviewed the permission statement sent in by the subject, but as very often happens, the subject is claiming copyright on a photograph in which he is pictured. While this may be correct, it is exceedingly common that people are under the impression that they automatically of the copyright holder of photographs of themselves. This is not generally the case so we almost always ask for an explanation. When that explanation arrives, if it is satisfactory the OTRS tag will be placed on the photo.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi :Sphilbrick. And thanks for inviting me you your Talk Page earlier. Let's explore shall we? I love beans, don't you?
1. Over at Diaanaaaaa's page you said:
"To help make the process easier for them I often fill out the permission statement for them, email it to them asked them to review it and ensure that it is acceptable and send it back to me. I then forward it to OTRS."
I was suggesting that you "forwarding it to OTRS" means you could fabricate their permission. All you need is their return email in the email history (I'm not suggesting that you would, of course, but anyone could).
2. I'm not advocating any change just yet - I'm guessing there would need to be many months of discussion and thousands of megabytes of Talk Page wrangling before that ever happened. I'm suggesting that if the expected process is currently "Upload the image, then get permission" then that's what the description over at WP:CONSENT and Template:OTRS pending should actually say.
3. The problem with File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg is that Nathan has sent an email to OTRS with a URL that points to the original image on his website, not the image as uploaded by me here. In fact, the image uploaded here is just a cropped portion of the original (but I'm unable to tell, from reading all the procedural advice, if this is a "problem" or not). But, of course I also failed somewhat at the first hurdle, which was "please do it at Commons, not here"
4. Why have that standard text in the WP:CONSENT template if it does not apply? You've decided that Nathan is not the copyright holder? On what basis is that? How do I find the copyright holder, exactly? How does Nathan? Where is this in the procedural instruction? You say "I reviewed the permission statement sent in by the subject"? I thought there was a 24-day backlog??
Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
There is quite a backlog. I haven't checked to see if it is 24 days but that sounds about right. Agents are not required, as far as I know, to handle all request in chronological order. I often look at recent request because occasionally someone will fill out the statement exactly correctly with no issues that need further study. In such circumstances, the permission request can be handled in a couple of minutes, and in my opinion it is worth handling the request out of normal chronological order if it can be disposed of quickly. I happen to have looked at the Nathan Wyburn request, but I had not processed it as it did not meet my criteria of easily handled, but when I saw your request at the OTRS noticeboard I remember looking at it and thought I would relook at it. Unfortunately, my initial instincts were correct and it was not a straightforward request, but since I had invested this much time and it I thought I would take the next steps.
I have not decided that Nathan is not the copyright holder. What on earth did I say that led you to that conclusion? I've reread my initial post in which I say he may be the copyright holder. But, he may not. Which is why I asked a follow-up question. I havinghave not concluded whether he is or is not the copyright holder.
I am not following your statement, "Why have that standard text in the WP:CONSENT template if it does not apply?" Can you explain what you mean?--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:21, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
No, the problem is not as you state "The problem with File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg is that Nathan has sent an email to OTRS with a URL that points to the original image on his website, not the image as uploaded by me here." That was not an issue. The problem is that Nathan sent in a statement in which he claims to be the copyright holder of an image in which he is the subject. This is not impossible—there are multiple scenarios in which this is acceptable, but it is also the case that many people erroneously assume that they are automatically the copyright holder of any photo in which they appear. This assumption is incorrect, so whenever a person asserts copyright over an image in which they appear, we ask additional questions. It is quite routine - happens several times every day. It is not a big deal, but it must be resolved, and has not yet been resolved.--S Philbrick(Talk) 00:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks from your prompt reply, Sphilbrick. I think how OTRS works is a bit of a mystery to those not involved. The order in which requests are dealt with is a particular mystery (from my position of near complete ignorance). Apologies if I have accused you of reaching a conclusion you have not. Would it save time if the first step of the process was to discover who was the copyright holder. I imagine that someone at OTRS (at some time in the next 24 days?) will email Nathan and ask him to confirm he is the copyright holder. That's just my guess. But regarding the standard request wording, you made it quite clear of over Diannaa's page that the URL should be the location here at Wikipedia, not the original one e.g. on someone's website? is that not the case? And I'm also left with the wording of the Template:OTRS pending (my emphasis added):
"An email containing details of the permission for this file has been sent in accordance with WP:OTRS."
It's not clear to me who should have sent that email and when. Nor when the URL was (or should have been) added. But maybe that's deliberately vague? I'd appreciate it if you could just tell what, if anything I now need to do. Or do I just wait for OTRS to do something? Will they need to give me a "ticket number"? Do I need to ask for one? And what should I now do with the other three images of himself that Nathan has sent me for upload? Thanks for your time and expertise. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. not sure what you mean by "I having concluded whether he is or is not the copyright holder."--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry if my response at the OTRS noticeboard wasn't clear.
I looked at the permission statement provided by Nathan Wyburn on 5 September, as part of my occasional process to look at recent tickets to see if there's any "low hanging fruit". The email from him did not qualify so I moved on. A few minutes later, I saw your request at the OTRS noticeboard, remembered the name, and decided to respond to it. I looked at the permission statement and looked at the image and noticed an extremely common problem — the permission statement asserted copyright by the person pictured in the photo. As explained earlier, this is a "problem" which often simply requires an explanation. In some cases, the person issuing the permission is simply unfamiliar with how copyright works and making the mistaken assumption that ownership of a photo means they also have the copyright to the photo. In other cases, they may legitimately be the copyright holder, either because it was a "selfie" or taken with a self timer, or they may have arranged for the photographer to transfer the copyright to them. Whenever we see this situation occur, we ask a question to ascertain which situation applies. I sent that email to Nathan on 5 September and have not yet received a response.
Regarding your final question, I simply botched the wording and have fixed it. I don't yet know whether he is the copyright holder because I have not yet heard the answer to the question.
There is nothing for you to do except to wait for him to respond to the email. If you happen to know him, you might let him know that he has an email from me with a question that needs answering. Otherwise, we'll just wait for him to respond.
Ah, I see. Thanks for repeating your explanations. Perhaps it might have been simpler if you have explained about the copoyright holder question at my OTRS noticeboard thread? It seems that you don't see any problems with the process and/or the instructions. So perhaps it's just me and my unfamiliarity. What about (my penultimate question) the three other images - shall I uploaded them now? Ask Nathan if he is coopyright-holder first? Get hims to send a permission email anyway? For all three at once? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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A cucumber for you![edit]

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Since I've just asserted that it's a good idea to plaster cucumbers all over Wikipedia in a vain attempt to get them inserted into the MOS (oo-er), we might as well start here Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Wow, Cool, man. That's reet champion, lad. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


Why? Sca (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sca. For some reason (still not worked out why, as I have dismissed all notices at the top), my watchlist jumps just at the same moment I click to view a topic. I have rollback enabled and so if the line below is long enough, rollback gets hit instead, by mistake. I then have to do a self-revert and say sorry. Which I did. Others seem to have the same problem. Sorry that your comment was absent for 2 minutes. I was agreeing with you! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Martin - you seem to be suffering from premature option selection. Don't worry, many editors suffer from this at some point in their lives, but, if the problem persists, various creams, sprays, tablets, exercises, and talking therapies are available. If all else fails, try taking a cold shower and thinking of the speeches of Maggie Thatcher before you edit. Robevans123 (talk) 09:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
As you may have seen from Paley’s page, Maggie has just the opposite effect, I’m afraid. But I’m happy to take the therapy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Try injections. Sca (talk)
PS: I shudda said academic rather than pedantic. Sca (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
"Hold the front page!" It's so exciting. No need to take the hump. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Roll 'em.Sca (talk) 21:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Will have to go on my pending list, I think. But obviously required viewing for all would-be front-pagers... as we know, there's No Smoke Without Fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

a great season[edit]

Wasn't it just? Enjoyed the Verdi Requiem on Friday. Thought the youth choir was brilliant, and always good to see the Cimbasso getting an outing. Robevans123 (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

I'll have to catch up with that one on iPlayer! But yes, a brilliant season. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


I sort of see your point; we use "church" interchangeably to refer to both the organized group and the buildings (I think we have had some CfD discussions about that). I think I'll change it to "congregation" or perhaps, in this case, "parish". Daniel Case (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I had thought of that. But then had visions of a hundred-strong group of parishioners frantically ushering around a single unsuspecting visitor, Benny Hill-style. No strong view. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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Wiki loves women montly contest- September[edit]

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Thanks. Does second generation count? Because, as you know, "the Brits... are fu**in' Ninja racists!!"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the moral support and Lou Reed link[edit]

[44] Ceoil (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Ooh! A classic. "Calon lan yn llawn daioni, Tecach yw na'r lili dlos.... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm sensing a cabal of Celts coming on! Ceoil (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
"Hey, bitches"!! [45] Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Ha ha, don't go all Julian Cope on me! Although a druid on arbcom is interesting. Sacrifices to please Jimbo - it'll be 2008 all over again! Ceoil (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Missed opportunity[edit]

Surely you meant "the udder nite" (groan)? Robevans123 (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

No, I did actually consider that one... and then thought "how low can you go". But thanks for that wonderful message box over at the EEng Talk Page!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Don't be so coy. As a fan of the tabloids, I'd always assumed that the hand of God reaching down into the mire couldn't elevate you to the depths of degradation. Face-wink.svg Robevans123 (talk) 09:06, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Did you mind?! Some of us have our reputation to think of! Frankgallagher123 (talk) 18:21, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Not yet, but nearly...[edit]

Not quite. Maybe you'd like to induce my retirement from the project for the rest of the year? CassiantoTalk 20:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, darn it! I didn't expect to see you get dug up so soon!! Drat. I must invest in better tools. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Sorry, Gerda, I'll have to return that bottle of Liebfraumilch and the "box set" of Bach oratorios. He's not totally dead yet.....


Please review WP:BRD and WP:BURDEN. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. Please review the talk page thread. If you wish to post on the RS noticeboard, perhaps you will find editors who agree with you and you will be able to establish some basis for this claim. There's the additional problem that your citation of those lists as references about themselves, the lists, is a WP:PRIMARY source and does not establish that the lists themselves are noteworthy. If you can find a secondary source that refers to those as significant or meaningful rankings, you will have a valid argument for inclusion. BTW look at this ranking to understand hwo many other pianists are ranked among the "greatest" [46] Were you aware of those other names? Finally, I need to ask you: Do you have any personal, professional, or other relationship with Mr. Brendel? Just asking to get that out of the way. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 23:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Why, have those policies changed recently? I don't see why such a claim is necessarily "extranordinary" - experts often rate the proficiency of other experts... "raniking inapt to the subject"? Probably best if we continue any discussion over at Talk:Alfred Brendel. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. yes, I have to admit I do employ Alfred as a part-time gardener and he occasionally does a bit of light dusting and hoovering.
All of us lads round here know Alfie. After he's done doing for Martinevans123, he's round at my place with his Marigolds, polishing away, and he does a proper job. And I'd rank him as No. 1 for tinkling and you can take that to the bank and source it. Robevans123 (talk) 10:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
And have you seen that dummy scissors of his?? Oooh, moves to die for, dearie! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

A lemming barnstar for myself![edit]

GA barnstar.png The Bloody Barnstar of Boxed Lemmings
For all my own help in identifyng three kinds lemmings, rushing out of the shadows, to enjoy a series of harsh retorts, before diving over the cliff edge.
Keep up the good work!
Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Richly deserved but somewhat self-aggrandizing to self-abuse-award. Making extraordinary claims may require an extraordinary exit strategy to avoid an extraordinary witch-hunt. A least you've got an extraordinary cliff to start you off on the long swim to Saesland. Quite Extraordinary! Robevans123 (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Listen mate, I'm the one who put the gold in Goldfinger, ok?? Martinevans007 (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Nice footwear, in any event. ---Sluzzelin talk 15:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


My notifications says that you sent me an email, but I don't seem to have it. Perhaps resend?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Ian – many thanks for that advice. This may be worse for the email sender, who might reasonably assume their heartfelt message has been totally ignored.
  • Jimbo – sorry, I was just declining that "sweetener" of $500 you offered me to stand for Adminship again (and the promise of a crushing anonymous “supervote”). But I wholly support you, of course, in your bid to rename the project “Trump-o-pedia”. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. if I can actually remember what it said, I'll delete most of the swear words and try and send the email again!

Last Word[edit]

Apparently you don't know when to let it rest either, apparently because you think you're hilarious.[47] That's great. So, your buddy reopened a thread that was last commented on days ago. Three days ago I went to his page not to reopen the thread, but to remind him that he doesn't have the basis to lecture me on policy. He saw it fit to kick me off his page, which is quite typical when you have no clue what you're talking about. Do you know how many admins would love to tell me I'm full of shit? Meh. Clueless. If you'd like to join "us" on my page for a wee policy discussion, please do. Otherwise: your opinion is utterly useless to me. Doc talk 14:03, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Cassianto emailed me to say he appreciated that. Didn't realise that you two were such buddies. I think edit warring on a third party's Talk Page is really a step too far, but hey, it's up to EEng, I guess. It's his page. Am keen to learn about correct "piss period" etiquette, however. Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. Eight years you say? Wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
A revert isn't edit-warring. Come on, now! No one could change anything otherwise. Edit-warring is multiple reversions, easily demonstrable. Slow edit-warring? Really... Doc talk 14:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
That didn't look very slow to me. I guess things must move much quicker in your world. As I said, EEng should have the final say about what is or isn't on his page. Within reason, of course. But do tell us about correct insult protocol. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Who cares about insults when we have congratulations to degrade a person? (Response on my talk, not there, look for "Mad dog not pictured".) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
First we probably should get edit warring defined for you. My revert on that page was not "edit warring". Yet you described it as such, twice! Per WP:EW, first sentence: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." "Repeatedly override" is not just one revert. Please tell no one, ever, that it is again. Doc talk 14:33, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
(ec) Hi Doc. I was recently (mentioned 7 Sep) amused about edit warring and predictably more of it, did me no good. - I thought of you when I did not send a reminder of who was precious on a 17 Sep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Listen: you are one of the best! Best attitude ever! I'm not even annoyed anymore. Cheers, Gerda! Doc talk 14:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
👍 Like the upgrade. Don't you think you exaggerate a bit, talking to an odious person and infobox mafiosa who drove away all the important FA writers, allegedly? I found the template in a 2012 discussion that was used in a 2016 ARCA. I never saw that discussion before but found nothing new ;) - First support - with the template - by teh user, short and sweet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Great to see you can quote the exact letter of policy law there. That must make you very popular, I guess. Perhaps it also makes you "right" here? And how are you on civility? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
You said I was edit warring by making that revert. Explain your rationale for how it was edit warring. Doc talk 14:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Um, you told me, six minutes earlier: "Please tell no one, ever, that it is again." Not too sure what you're expecting of me now. But about the "Piss. Off" - are those just two random words you found and decided to tastefully separate with a period? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
  • FWIW, Doc and I are most certainly not friends, Martin. He is a lowly piece of work for whom I show nothing but contempt. (Btw, check your emails). CassiantoTalk 20:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC) playing with a grizzly bear would be more my preference. I also chuckled (rather a lot, actually) at Ritchie333's image on my talk earlier. Very funny. CassiantoTalk 21:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Haha, Threesie is a man after my own heart, of course. I knew you were on a diet, but that's ridiculous. I wanted to ask our Doc where he stood on that vile ignoramus racist bigot "Doc Trump". Most folks would choose the head, I think? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Careful now, immigrants like him! ---Sluzzelin talk 23:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Haha, thanks for that. Maz Jobrani is quite a hoot. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Ah, a "lowly piece of work", eh? Why, some would rightfully consider that a "personal attack"! Thankfully, unlike some (*cough*), my skin's a bit thicker than most. I have zero "friends" here: even admins who used to openly agree with me now stay far away for fear of "reprisals" from the herd. See, I didn't come here to make friends. Know this: I'm not a moron, and I will call anyone out at anytime if I see fit to. Chuckles! Doc talk 08:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Chuckles are very "old school", pretty decent. Has the party prank of putting out the big bowl of Reese's Pieces, M&M's and Skittles, all mixed together, been fully explored? It has serious potential... Doc talk 08:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
  • When we met, DOC, we mused about a list of enemies for me, and you were on it. Looks like that changed ;) - My most recent list of - how should I call them? - "people who think wrongly think I'm influential and a list of articles causes targeting" is linked above. - As the Coward discussion shows, you best leave the last word to Cassianto, or he will comment again, but I still consider him a friend ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Whooah Gerda! Who are you calling a coward?? Back off, sister!! As if anyone would ever keep "a list enemies". How ridiculous. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. has anyone got any spare pins??
His name is Noël. The first list formed itself, called "pride and prejudice", archived end of 2015, - I seriously thought then that we were done arguing if a FA may at the same time serve idiots or not. Look at Falstaff, TFA on 1 January 2016 as a hopeful beginning of the year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes, it seems Christmas has come early. As you will know, my own contributions to most FAs are usually rather short and sweet. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I mentioned the opera - with a concluding fugue about nothing serious on Earth and we are all born fools - in my greeting for the new year, DYK? - I wrote an FA for 27 Sep that will not appear that day because something else was scheduled by the time it found support ;) - "sweet" is part of the title, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes, "here I am surrounded, by sorrow and wretchedness". But I'm sure things will improve, Gerda! Hope we see it sometime later. I must find a copy to listen to. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, from Bratislava, things improve when you have better things to think about ;) - A cousin died 14 Sep, putting our little sorrows in perspective. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear that. I have never visited and would love to. I found this, with Matthew White. How wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Back home. Anything to be added to Dafydd Llywelyn. Bells written in his memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Welcome home, Gerda. I'll take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC) [48]
Thank you! I was requested (see my talk) to translate the article that started this year for me. They will do a memorial concert for him 5 October, - so I did right away. - The bells are ringing at the Beethovenfest, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. "Beethoven?? Schmeethoven!!" ... we can't have any true geniuses turning up at DYK, can we? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
My last word here: DYK that the infobox for him was first seen in the arbcomcase workshop (guess by whom?), then added to the article as the community consensus by the former arb who had written the case. As I sometimes say: expect any absurdity when it comes to infoboxes. Wonder what will happen in case3 which seems inevitable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
And a last word from Cassianto, it seems, who has now gone to that red letter infobox in the sky? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
A bold prediction: they'll be back. Again. Jus' saying'... Doc talk 05:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
That really is great song. Doc talk 09:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah. Now we're getting somewhere. Before you know it, we'll all be going out for a bargain bucket. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
"Kenny!" Doc talk 09:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Nice clip. Sorry you've been given such a roasting, Doc. We all make mistakes, don't we, even political ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you[edit]

Martin, you are a "very naughty boy" to make that nomination, and I wholeheartedly thank you for it. I feel very honoured that my contributions are being noticed. I sit quietly in my "shed", enjoying myself doing what I do, my wife does not understand it, but as well as pleasing myself, I hope I am leaving behind something for present and future readers of WP. In the nomination you mentioned my work on churches. I am sorry to say that I became a bit bored with churches and have moved on to listed buildings, producing lists for each parish and unparished area, where that had not been done before. Up to now I have ensured that there are lists for all these areas in Cheshire, Merseyside and Lancashire, and I am now working through Cumbria. It's fascinating, and one discovers and learns so much as the work proceeds. It's so pleasurable, that honours are not really necessary, but when they come, wow, that IS a bonus. Keep up your good work, too. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I must apologise for you having your good name sullied by association with mine. Your editing epitomises the way I think Wikipedia was suppose to work - diligent, industrious, meticulous and with the minimum amount of fuss. You certainly deserve this award. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
p.s. "Blessed are the cheesemakers."

Is the jukebox closed?[edit]

For your delectation, delight, and distraction I give you Cab Calloway performing Minnie the Moocher (animated version with Betty Boop). The forerunner of MTV videos? Robevans123 (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

No, it's just hiding a little, after some disparaging remarks from Fram. Please add whatever you like! That's a belter from Cab, isn't it. Betty a groundbreaker. And we all wonder where Jacko got "his" moonwalk?! (... although let's face it, he was pretty amazing. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Cab also prety handy at the old scat (recorded 2 July 1935: [49]). A superb sax solo there also, but unable to pin down who it was. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It's from the same Chicago session where they laid down a scatty "Nagasaki". Bill Blue and Andrew "Flat" Brown were on sax duties then, with Bunky Harris and Foots Thomas assisting. Blue isn't credited on "Nobody", so I'm guessing the solo's Brown? --Hillbillyholiday talk 18:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC) You can talk that talk but can you play that sax?
Well Billy, You Rascal You! Many thanks for that!! (Although it sounds more like an alto than a tenor to me, so maybe it is Bill Blue or even Foots, especially as he probably arranged it?) I see that Cab gets a name check at Nagasaki (song). What a bizarre song. Not so popular after 6 August 1945, I suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. I see there is an article for Foots, but not for Flat or Bunky. Note: Foots Thomas had his nickname years before Calloway's band, apparently: [50]
p.p.s. and thanks for reminding me, via that discogs page (but where is "Nobody" in there, I dont see it?) that, quite a few years ago, I got to see the wonderful Slim Gaillard at the Brecon Jazz Festival and I well rememeber that he brought the house down with his version of Calloway's "Zah Zuh Zah". He often seemed to be the musical reincarnation of Calloway and it was a real privilege to see him, if only once.
Sorry, buggered up the discogs link, it should've been this. (6-3)
Ah right, so mystery solved, that was Flat Brown on alto it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Lucky you! I only knew Gaillard from Hellzapoppin'. Just watched some fantastic clips on youtube...My God! The *size* of his mitts! --Hillbillyholiday talk 17:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Haha yes, not many pianists who could play solos with their hands upside down! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Rising Damp[edit]

Was you a fan? I know you have an interest in this era. I forgot how wonderful this series was, if a little dated. CassiantoTalk 20:09, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Haha "have an interest in this era" is very polite of you! A work of comic genius, of course. Often more subtle than those later years at "Sunshine Deserts", I think Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
"I didn't get where I am today by not enjoying both series!!" On a different note I am amazed at the length and variety of Frances de la Tour's career. I still think that her teaming with Bob Hoskins in Flickers can be mentioned in the same conversation with Hepburn and Tracy. Cheers to you both and I hope you have a delightful week. MarnetteD|Talk 20:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I've never seen that and am now mightily intrigued. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. "I didn't get where I am today by everything smelling of Bolivian uni-cyclist's jockstrap... "
...smelling of something, certainly! CassiantoTalk 21:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I hope it is available for you M. Over here it never made it to VHS so the small group of devotees (of which I am a part) were ecstatic when it finally made it to DVD. It is a wonderful tribute to the early (very) years of film-making with many wonderful performances. The final lines sum up the fun/joy of films for both those in front of the camera and us in the audience. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I watched an episode where Rigsby was led to believe the lodgings were haunted by "the Grey Lady". I laughed so much I thought I was going to slip off the naughty step. Lovely to see you MarnetteD! CassiantoTalk 20:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
I well remember that episode Cass. MarnetteD|Talk 21:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It's very funny. The series was before my time, but the best ones usually were. CassiantoTalk 21:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Gosh it is great to see Le Petomane again. Thanks for the link Cassianto. So in June of 1980 - after a few days of hiking in the French countryside - I take the night train(s) and ferry to London. That morning, while wandering around the west end seeing the sights, I spy the names Leonard Rossiter and Prunella Scales on a theatre marquee. At that point I don't care what the play is I know I am going to see it that night. I buy a ticket in the second row of the royal circle of the Theatre Royal Haymarket and get to see Make and Break. What those sitting close to this slightly ripe Yank in his bib overalls, blue and gold striped rugby shirt and Chuck Taylor high top tennis shoes thought I can't imagine. I only hope they enjoyed the play half as much as I did :-) MarnetteD|Talk 23:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

'Running' for President[edit]

Hi Martin, long time no see (as it were) – I hope you're well. According to our beloved WP, cocaine can cause loss of contact with reality and a persistent runny nose – but that certainly wasn't the cause of Trump's sniffles in the TV debate. After all, only a delusional demagogic hater would be fuelled by opiatesJezGrove (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, whatever would that other demon snorter have said? No doubt something about the size of Trumps hands. Anyone remember the "The Ballad of Snivelling and Grudge"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Brilliant. My god, that elixir's strong! Robevans123 (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Monty Python's (I don't give a) Flying Facebook[edit]

Hmmm, a cure for all diseases – now where did Zuckerberg get THAT idea, I wonder? (With all due credit to everyone who shared this before it came my way, of course – and my apologies if it has come your way already!) JezGrove (talk) 22:56, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Not sure he can even play the flute. But I hear he is quite good on the trumpet. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh dear! As a trombonist, I know that nerves can affect one's performance, but I've always known when to stop playing early and call for a taxi. Robevans123 (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Wow, in the company of some greats there, Robbo, including one of my all time favourites Bob Brookmeyer (... here with Stan-the-Man, in something well lush). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
That was Lush! A great jazz standard played by two jazz greats. Diolch. Feeling the hiraeth at the moment after working on Pontypool Free Press. I wish to be known as the Herald of the Hills. Maybe you should be the Looshpah of the Levels... Feeling autumnal, and in need of a valve operation. Robevans123 (talk) 21:48, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Ooh, that is beautiful ! What's the collective noun for Marsalises? A "lush"?? A great shame that Brian doesn't usually have a trombonist. Here he is with Daniel Lanois. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC) The Goldcliff Gremlin is fine by me!


In honor of your Talkpage TOC being the coolest thing I've seen on Wikipedia in almost ten years of editing, I decided to take the test on your user page.

Thanks, LaughingVulcan Grok Page! 13:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Fret ye not, mind fully warped already. It may take some time to fully evaluate the results. But rest assured, whatever the outcome, it will be a real blot on your record book. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

"What Soo? Mr Matthew put his hand where?!"[edit]

So now Sooty is the latest BBC children's entertainer to be outed for his behaviour in the 1970s - the catchphrase "Izzy wizzy, let's get busy!" will never be the same again. JezGrove (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Ooh err, Sooty Ungloved sounds a little "too near the knuckle" for my liking. Ah, so!.Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Cas and Shrodo[edit]

This sucks. I dont think even Leonard Cohen felt as sorry in his darkest days. Bleak links pls..Hillybilly also if you are watching. Hit me. I'll start with [51]. Ceoil (talk) 08:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Fuck me, that's a bit maudlin. Was thinking RHP or SKM for a good dose of miserablism. But maybe you need something a little more upbeat? --Hillbillyholiday talk 09:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC) ...btw, it's beat up shoes on waiting!
[52] probably captures the mood better ‑ Iridescent 10:11, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
One for you Iridescent. --Hillbillyholiday talk 10:21, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
One of the more surreal moment in my Wikipedia history was a (real life) argument with Gina Birch over the quality of her Wikipedia bio (which is still godawful, but probably unimprovable as there's no real biography of her to work from). The odd thing about the Raincoats is that their best songs are probably covers by other people, especially Dan Treacy's cover of 'No-one's Little Girl' and Hole's take on 'The Void'—Ana & Gina's affected flatness is striking at first but gets grating quite quickly. ‑ Iridescent 14:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh lovely, new to me Hillbilly. Almost as pretty miserabilism [53]. I dont know what she does to sustain at the end of each sentence. Ceoil (talk) 10:23, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
My girlfriend recently expressed her dislike of the twins. Naturally, I dumped her there and then. --Hillbillyholiday talk 10:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Could she do me some nylons? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

In good hands?[edit]

Noticing the incoming weather in south Wales, I was looking at Emergency planning in Wales and it's good to see you're in good hands. The most useful advice I could find there was on colouring in and 2.5D modelling, but this is the best advice... Robevans123 (talk) 10:42, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

As long as we get some good Welsh crayons, I really don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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October 2016[edit]

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So you finally came out of the IP shadows to scold me? But it seems quite a few other editors think exactly the same as I do and reverted for exactly the same reason. Sorry if I took one of my turns too early. Do you think you'll me raising my edits at WP:AN3 and asking for me to be blocked? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Beethoven and the Welsh colleague[edit]

Today was the concert at the Beethovenfest (a rough start of an article) of the Bells for Dafydd Llywelyn, without me, we had dress rehearsal for Elijah, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for telling me, Gerda. I will try and take a look at both. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Even on YouTube, did you notice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Das Verdandi-Trio? I have now, thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
The Fest got much better (the article, I mean). Next on YouTube: OREYA, samples in the article. Our conductor watched them work, for example having the different elements of a chord expressed with different vowel colour, fifth bright, none dark, etc. Amazing.Watch their development for several years now. They come by bus in several days. We had several American guests, including a choral conductor. She and all others gave standing ovations! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Wow, they sound interesting. I will definitely try and track them down! Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

What a Farage-go[edit]

The last thing I'd have expected from UKIP – piss up in brewery officially cancelled! JezGrove (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

I guess she just wants to be "the ordinary man in the pub? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I did nearly joke the other day that they should choose the next leader on the basis of the last man/woman standing – but I thought it would be alcohol rather than fisticuffs that whittled them down one by one... JezGrove (talk) 13:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
"... was taken to hospital in Strasbourg for tests." No comment on what those tests might be. But let's hope he survives them. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
"Hook 'em? I always bloody-well flatten 'em mate!" ... p.s. Woolfe reported later tonght that he was "feeling brighter".
Great news! (But 'feeling brighter' - won't that disqualify him if they find something when they do the next brain scan?!) JezGrove (talk) 21:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
"Oh, how we laughed!" If only I could get me head round these darned new Euros. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
No wonder UKippers prefer to think in shillings. JezGrove (talk) 22:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Katie Price is not marginal[edit]

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Did someone mention Prada Willy Syndrome?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Here's something to disrupt your supper[edit]

I thought you might appreciate this one. The Miami Dolphins' season seemingly goes "tits down" as two of their granny cheerleaders take off their bras.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Haha, stunning. Certainly puts Our Katie to shame. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


Just realised I've stomped all over your edits. FIGHT!!!. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

You have to make such a song and dance don't you!? Ha ha, no worries, stomp on dude. You've obvously learned how to get my sympathy at this sorry excuse for a Talk Page. To use wholly inmapproprate analogy... I was attempting a few home-made tweaks, whereas you've come right in with the big guns. I see that reception to my RD nomination over at WP:ITN/C has been "less than lukewarm". So it doesn't really matter a whole hill of beans at the moment. By the way - your edits are a massive improvement. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


This is a simple mirror of the article before your recent edits; it even credits the original article. The site scrapes random images from the Internet, usually 100% copyright violations, to decorate. This is simple content scraper to serve ads. Please revert. Kuru (talk) 12:48, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Copying over to Talk:Andrew Vicari. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

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And just what are you insiltuating?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC) I love those type of dolls, don't you? just like that nice Mr Trump.
Nice links - and I mean that most sincerely, folks, honestly. Robevans123 (talk) 17:41, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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Foo Foo fighters?[edit]

Do you reckon that Thailand's sadly missed air chief marshal was still a trainee fighter pilot? Oops, that's 15 years in jail for me then.... JezGrove (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Haha, yes. You've certainly landed yourself well and truly in the soup. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC) p.s. he was great in cabaret though, wasn't he?? .... "Chang Sperms on drum!"
Yikes! And I assumed Air marshal Foo Foo had died in a dogfight, not in a dogdgy(!) meal…. That’s another 15 years, I suppose – does that make me "an habitual criminal", I wonder? JezGrove (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, probably a job for Dixon of Dog Green. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
In that case, I better scamper. JezGrove (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think you better had, Jez --Hillbillyholiday talk 11:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
I pity that foo'. LaughingVulcan Grok Page! 11:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Market Drayton[edit]

I have removed content you added to the above article, as it appears to have been copied from, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

I give up. Obviously a waste of your time. To me they're just facts. Yes, they are the same words, in a slightly different order. As ever, I'd be very interested to see how you personally would be able to paraphrase that material, in a way that wasn't "too close". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. As facts aren't subject to copyright, perhaps we should purge every extraneous word from every article, rendering them all as extended infoboxes? Problem solved! and it sure would make for a fun read. --Hillbillyholiday talk 12:16, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Don't give up, on us baby. Sorry for the two most downbeat, dare I say turgid, records I could find. Soul was a lot more fun in Mack and Mabel, and Bush has reached greater heights. Maybe you should try all the right words in the wrong order... I await the requested paraphrase with interest. Robevans123 (talk) 12:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Awaiting likewise. Diannaa 🍁  - we're "all ears". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Rob! Oh no, it's the curse of Hutch! Possibly one of the worse records ever made, there. But Ee-ee and the Progfather is perhaps one of the best. As far as Diannaaaaaaa and her tame copybot are concerned, it's just exhausting. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes - the Gabriel/Bush number is good, but very much a Gabriel number, and I feel the Bush contribution could have been done by any decent session singer. Could have been better if Bush's amazing variety of tone and colour (as in Running) had been given freer rein. Whispering Bob Evans (whisper) 13:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Oooh, just picturing Kate without reins. Perish the thoughtMartinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Paraphrasing Billy Connolly, in a slightly different context, you have to grab these moments when they happen. Robevans123 (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
I have done some further amendments to the prose re-added by Hillbillyholiday about the windows and it sent from nearly complete overlap to nearly zero overlap. Content has to be written in your own words and not inclusive of the source material. It's been suggested that not so much as three words should be together in the same order as the source. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Purdue. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Merci beaucoup, Marteen. Wikipedia ees like, 'ow you say, une partie pour les cheemps, n'est-ce pas?
Thank you, Dianna. That is very helpful and thoughtful advice. I will try and use it, if I ever attempt another summary of a church. It's a great shame that your work is completely hidden at Market Drayton. I'm sure you'll willingly lend a hand if I create a new separate article for St Mary's, won't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Now, I think I may have spotted "three words together in the same order as the source". But I am going to enjoy not telling you which. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
"'ere Billy, me ol' china, I 'ad one of them Canadian Copyrighters in the back of me medieval church cab the uvver nite.... blimey! but I don't care if she comes round 'ere". L L Zamenhof 123 (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, there's a difference between saying "north side of the chancel" and copying something that comprises creative expression. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
whoaah! that's five!! Yes, I'm sure "creative expression" is the very last thing we expect, like the wonderfully poetic "Its replacement stood for many years in the chancel" or the painfully dramatic "when permission was finally granted by the family responsible". Eat ur heart out, Hills:
"Be kind and tender to the Frog, And do not call him names, As 'Slimy skin,' or 'Polly-wog,' Or likewise 'Ugly James" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
lol... "'Ello, 'Ello, 'Ello. It's a fair cop guv'nor." etc., etc. Cell 123, (Letsby Avenue) 22:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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You're such a tart RefBot. Just like that complete slag BracketBot. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Doing the EU-okey cokey[edit]

Loved the remark from an EU diplomat quoted on Radio 4's PM earlier (if they said who exactly I missed it, and I'm paraphrasing a little, but you get the gist): "When the UK was in the EU, it only wanted to negotiate opt-outs. Now it's leaving the EU, it only wants to talk about opt-ins!" JezGrove (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Haha, yes, that sounds about right. Did you see last Sunday's HIGNFY? I was thoroughly amused at the caption, suggested by "short-haired flat-shoed shovel-faced lesbian" Ruth Davidson, to that picture of Teresa May and the swordsman: "Now that's what I call a hard Brexit!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
And it's good to see that the nutters are making plans for when they take over the asylum. Fortunately, this one got suspended. Robevans123 (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Goodness me. That Cllr Christian Holliday, of the Guildford Conservative Association, makes some memorable politicians look comparatively sane. "Burpham and Warningcamp" sounds so appropriate, doesn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Very good! It seems the UK needs to learn its own lessons from 1955. JezGrove (talk) 22:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Radio 4 unattributed (and paraphrased) EU diplomatic comment of the day (in response to Theresa May's "UK expects full EU role until Brexit" stuff, and either towards the end of PM or on the Six o'clock News): "Britain's acting like a husband who has told his wife he wants a divorce but won't say when, and expects to enjoy marital relations in the meantime…". JezGrove (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Haha. I predict a messy divorce. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Deep Purple explained…[edit]

Forget the Montreux Casino, now we know what Smoke on the Water was all about! "Black smoker" hydrothermal vents, obviously... JezGrove (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

What a deep groove. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

A page to watch[edit]

S. O. Davies is on the main page (with a link to a link to Aberfan disaster). It's also linked in "On this day...". Just reverted one silly edit. I'm sure there'll be more... Robevans123 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Jimmy Perry[edit]

Hi. Could we please sort out Jimmy Perry's article, in relation to his apparent death? There is only one source to this right now, and BLP states that information that can't be confirmed should be removed.

Since there is no confirmation from any news source that Perry is actually dead, I propose we remove it, as I'd already attempted to do.

If this turns out to be a hoax, it will be an egg on the face job for WP.


Sunil The Mongoose (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC) Sunil The Mongoose (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Just announced on BBC News? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)