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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


Wiki Jukebox[edit]

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please don't donate generously any more (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Jukeboxland - never try and sneakily enter at your own risk
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

All deleted, on the advice of User:Fram, in case there is a copyright problem.

Blocks all round?[edit]

"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,
Shoes like dead pigs' noses,
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,
A mouth what never closes."
Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.
Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...
Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"You babes talk about your madison shoes We've got a thing we call the madison blues"

  • What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing
  • The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generator[edit]

Enjoy (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!
[1] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

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Editor of the Week
for the week beginning February 27, 2016
9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.
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Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
  • ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
We miss an article on your trophee (de), seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck![edit]

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle (talk) (cont) 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

John Rolls, 1st Baron Llangattock[edit]

Avid Welsh Nat Lord Llangattock in disguise. KJP1 (talk) 11:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, proper glam fishtail pencil skirt there, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Nominations required[edit]

I recently came across the splendidly named Azariah Shadrach who shares the accolade of "Bunyan of Wales" with Christmas Evans (no relation), for their writing styles. It prompted me to consider who could be regarded as a later day "Bunion of Wales". Giddy Neil Hamilton (AM) and Roger Moribund Lewis (MA) spring to mind but suggestions are most welcome... Robevans123 (talk) 14:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

"Call me a crazy old physiognomist, but my theory is that you can always spot a lesbian by her big thrusting chin." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
... well, I'll need to get measuring my Welsh feet.... Siôn Corn, maybe? Is John Foot a bit Welsh? How about Terry Boyle? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Formatted refs are nice[edit]

Thanks for doing the formatted refs on the F-35 article the other day. A new editor visiting that page yesterday is apparently making a quibble about the use of the phrase "procurement and upkeep" in order to justify a full sequence of reverts and deletions. I'm thinking he is upset about the excessive cost overruns in the program though the reliable sources are clear on this as accurately describing the program. Could you take look at the deletions made by that editor at some point? ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll try. Although I must say that aircraft strikes me as properly belonging in a Rex Harrison film. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC) p.s. I wonder are you any relation to that well-known sculpture??
New F-35 looks more healthy now. The user name you refer to above was from when I noticed that the film for it had no plot summary, for which I added a short version in due recognition of that mathematician. Regarding Moore, there are two Henry Moore's on Lake Michigan, you obviously are familiar with the one and the other one is here [3]. ManKnowsInfinity (talk) 16:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Alas, the UK's latest foray into nuclear energy is now somewhat in disarray. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

A mitten for you![edit]

Or something like that. Softlavender (talk) 11:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Awww, lol. Should come in handy. I always like a good bit of yakety yak. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC) "(don't talk back)" But thanks anyway. Sorry if I sound a bit crabby!
You need a new hobby. Softlavender (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Any suggestions? Maybe mitten cats? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2017 (UTC) ... also known as "boxing cats", as you probably know! .... and poor old Rambling Ted, eh?

Regarding that other matter -- you're probably right. Plus I didn't realize D used the P word twice, which was a bit much. Let's just all forget (or pretend) that all of this never happened. And Trump did not have relations with Putin. Case closed. Softlavender (talk) 22:45, 17 April 2017 (UTC) Edited to add: The logic and syntax of that third sentence is messed up, but screw it. It had a nice ring to it. Softlavender (talk) 22:50, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Haha, yeah right. Poor Doc Mice. Maybe there's just a rambling language barrier there, somewhere? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 17 April 2017 (UTC) Edited to add: ... the third?? I'm sure Donny and Vladdy get along just just fine.

.... And I notice the Yanks still do not understand. Either that or Mercury retrograde is just kicking everybody's ass. Either way, I think I'll chill till it "blows over" .... Softlavender (talk) 23:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

  • By the way, I believe they are called mitten kittens. Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Softlavender (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I just broke my promise, innit? Softlavender (talk) 00:03, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
A broken promise, you say?? ... well, may be. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Ugh. That dame is giving Trump a run for his money in terms of broken promises, delusional proclamations, and insane objectives. Worst time in history for the Labour leadership to be worse than a half-drunk slug. Softlavender (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
"When alarmed, it secretes a noxious substance from glands near the base of the tail and rolls up into a defensive spiral with the head in the middle ..." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
A half-drunk slug? Maybe you meant a half-eaten slug? I mean, they're slimy but not liquid. (Either way, one would risk lead poisoning.) RivertorchFIREWATER 21:31, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Virgin East Coast? seats and runs at a snail's pace. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I read about that! Back when reading the news only made me mildly queasy. Ah, the halcyon days of 2016... RivertorchFIREWATER 04:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Allan Holdsworth[edit]

Greetings. Just to clarify, this was not aimed at you, but at the IP who kept adding the album originally without a link to anything, and then zapped the hidden note. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:16, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Cheers dude, "'sno biggie". Take a break and have a nice cuppa. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Invoking memories[edit]

Me after a hard day's wiki-editing...

Hello M. I saw your edit here and it reminded me that this was the favorite soundtrack of a good friend of mine in college. It has been decades since I last saw him so it was nice to call back those memories. with your comprehensive knowledge of music I thought I'd share this with you. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:52, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, MarnetteD! Thanks so much. This remains one of my favourite films ever. And it's not as if I thought that Anderson (just like Man Ken) was ever really that good. For me, he always had a strange kind of "static animated photograph" style, if you know what I mean. But (apart from the wonderful McDowell) that film was wholly and unexpectedly redeemed by the soundtrack - to me the film was just an illustration of the songs. Alan Price the true genius in that film, as in so much of his work. Totally wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
And thanks to you for sharing your thoughts. That film introduced me to Price and I have marveled at his work ever since. I also have to thank you for the delightful and informative links that you add to your posts. I know that eggs aren't allowed in articles but I always enjoy (as well as learn things from) the ones you place on talk pages :-) MarnetteD|Talk 22:12, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
A belated Happy Easter, Marnette! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks!! MarnetteD|Talk 22:38, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Naturally, I intend to sue our glorious leader, Uncle Jimbo, for permanently re-wiring what's left of my brain. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:38, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah! the exquisite sound of that RMI 386 "It's no use mumbling, It's no use grumbling, Life just isn't fair". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC) ..... thanks, an' all... but don't go dragging me into that!!
Only time I've seen an RMI is in a shop in Denmark Street, so I'm not as au fait with it compared to the Rhodes or Wurlitzer. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:50, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
And it ain't me who's gonna leave (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
That album was surely one of the finest of 1974. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC) ... great studio direction in that clip, despite the curiously impassive German audience... but then, thinking about it, they do look a little embarrassed ...
But don't expect me to turn up at AN/I, ya schmuck. I'm still waiting for my kind invitation to discuss "my shitty take on people suffering from strokes". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar of Humour Hires.png The Barnstar of Good Humor
For making me laugh. Would really appreciate your support for the notion under discussion along with the funny joke. :) RaRaRasputin (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Personally I think Oswald Rayner deserves a mention in that article, even if just in a footnote, although sound reliable sources would be needed. But I realise that article may be heavily defended by sharp-shooters. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

You don't have to defend the truth[edit]

The author is Rudi Rummel. Please don't correct if you don't know.Xx236 (talk) 12:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Unless you can provide a supporting source, the change you made at Joseph Stalin is not a correction. As my edit summary explained, the current source has no author. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

do-wah, do-wah, do-wah, do-wah, do-wah, do-wah, do-wah[edit]

Ella Fitzgerald in 1968

Happy 100th birthday to the Queen of Jazz. [4]

Thank you, Martin, for remembering and telling us. She is truly the First Lady of Song.[5] Gareth Griffith-Jones, The Welsh Buzzard (Talk) 16:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, always a real ray of sunshine.... the cream of jazz singers. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Youtube and copyright[edit]

I have asked this already in some distant past (though I can't immediately find it now), but I see no improvements yet. Could you please remove all youtube links which are potential copyright violations (all youtube links where you are not certain that image and sound are either public domain or rightlfully owned by the uploader) from yuor user pages, and stop using such links in your posts? They may be amusing or on topic, but they are definitely not allowed on Wikipedia. One can make pop culture or obscure references without providing an explanatory but otherwise problematic link. Fram (talk) 08:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course, no problem. Will do when I have the chance. In response to your earlier request I hid all the links at the top of my Talk page in a collapsible box. Perhaps you don't see that as any improvement. I was under the impression, and still am, that YouTube removes videos if the copyright holder requests it. Perhaps you know differently. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Whether Youtube knowingly hosts copyright violations, or removes them once they are made aware of them, is of no importance to us. They certainly make no effort to find them proactively (unlike we at enwiki). We are not allowed to link to pages with copyright violations, full stop. That it is their responsability to remove these violations is not important here (it may be legally important or not, IANAL), our policies are a lot stricter. Hiding such links in a copllapsible box is not really an improvement, they are still there, and your user page starts with uncollapsed youtube links which seem to be copyright violations (e.g. the Eddie Izzard one and the Les McCann one). See WP:LINKVIO if you want more information on what is allowed and what isn't. Fram (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
I beg to differ. I think it would be of some importance to us, if YouTube fully policed it's content. And I think most artists see such videos as useful publicity, even as a revenue stream where monetisation is involved. Just out of interest - do you know if Wikipedia has ever faced any legal challenge from a copyright holder for hosting a YouTube video link? I would have thought that, in the grand scheme of the internet, no-one really cares what's hidden away on my Talk Page or in my Talk page posts (well, except you, obviously). But rules are rules, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
YouTube is awash with music videos and clips from TV shows etc that were not uploaded by the copyright holder. Strictly speaking, Wikipedia should not link to any of these per WP:YOUTUBE. It's up to the copyright holder to decide what to do in this situation. Sometimes they ask for the video to be removed, but on other occasions they allow adverts to be placed alongside the video. YouTube has a system called Content ID which checks videos against a database of copyrighted material. It looks like the John Lemon video has been removed. Sorry about that, as they say on YouTube.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi Ian. Yes you are quite right. But I must admit I has assumed that legally responsibility lay with YouTube. I’ve linked videos that, you know, have been uploaded for say five years and have had many thousands, in some cases millions of views. One kind of assumes that any copyright problem would have become apparent by now. I didn’t realise that I was exposing Wikipedia to a huge legal risk by squirrelling away a third party link in a hidden box on my lowly Talk Page (which must be totally ignored by millions of people on a daily basis). But “rules are rules” and Fram obviously likes to see them enforced. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Fram, my Talk Page Wiki Jukebox is now empty. Happy now? Of course the links are all still there, just one click away, in the history. Is someone now supposed to redact each individual addition manually? Is that what is supposed to happen to all content that may be an infringement of copyright, as per our much stricter policies? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
If someone feels the need to redact the history or remove all such links from your talk page posts all over enwiki, they are free to do so. For me, it is sufficient if from now on, you simply stop adding potentially problematic youtube links to your pages or posts. Thank you for removing these so promptly. Fram (talk) 09:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
I know you're secretly very keen, Fram. Personally I can't think of a better use of your time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:22, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
I was wrong there. I think your time would be better spent patrolling article mainspace and removing dubious links to YouTube videos used as sources or external links. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
If I called you "an overbearing and meddling policywonk with no send sense of fun", would I get a week's block? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
I guess it would depend on what a "send of fun" means - is that a pack of party streamers in the post, or something? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
... the Czech's in the post. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Don't worry Martin, I'll let you link to this video (and yes I am cheesed off it's only got a little over 2,000 views as it's miles better than the original, sassen frassen rassen....) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah, now I see the admin cabal subtext here.... Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I replied to your question on my talk page. Checking again, I see that e.g. Eddie Izzard youtube link is still on your user page, even though I can find no confirmation that Mssilversphinx would have the right to post this clip on Youtube. Please remove this and all similar links from all your user and talk pages. Fram (talk) 07:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I have removed the link to Eddie. But it seems I need to make an informed value judgement on a case-by-case basis. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Or play it safe and remove them all, that's your choice. When in doubt, don't link it. Fram (talk) 09:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I so have very few doubts. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

E.g. now on your user page, you haev a long list of youtube links. The first one is from "Coldplay official", so that should be alright (if someone creates a fake "coldplay official" youtube channel, it really no longer is your or our responsability to notice this). But the second one, a Herbie Hancock uploaded by Jazzhole? No evidence that they have the rights as far as I can see. GessyNya and Kevin Coyne? Same problem. I notice that a Steely Dan link no longer works due to a copyright claim by IFPI, so that one as well wa smost likely a link to a copyright violation. Please go through all these links and remove all probleatic ones, or (perhaps better) remove them all, and then only readd the safe ones. Fram (talk) 09:33, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

It's very gratifying to see you taking an interest in my YouTube links at last. I'll go through them all and review them one by one. It will be fun. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
  • WP:LINKVIO and WP:YOUTUBE apply to articles, and do not mention usertalk. If there is a policy about usertalk, can someone please link to it? Wikipedia users are prohibited from uploading unlicensed copyrighted material (images or audio or film), but I've never seen a restriction on casually linking to copyrighted material in usertalk conversation, no matter where it is hosted (YouTube, Rhapsody, Spotify, etc.). Softlavender (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Congrats, that's the second time in a row that you misinterpret policy and give false information to other editors based on it. Please stop giving advice about policy if it is so often wrong. Fram (talk) 11:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

False information[edit]

Hello Martinevans123! I kindly ask you not to spread false information in Wikipedia. By the way. One thing what I appreciate in this great page is the fact that everything is recorded. You claimed that [6] was an "edit contrary to long-standing consensus". Though it actually was itself reverting an edit contrary to long-standing consensus. [7] I don't know about you but six days is not definitely a long standing consensus on a page like this. HunajaOtso (talk) 22:38, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi HunajaOtso. I don't believe it is "false information". I think it's debateable. I have posted a request at your own Talk Page. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
If you are a man who can stand behind his words. Show me clear evidence how the Ukrainian spelling is a long-standing consensus if it was added only a few days ago and the person who added it was just banned. I don't like you spreading false information here about long-standing consensus's. HunajaOtso (talk) 22:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you meant that spelling Sergei Prokofiev name in Ukrainian was "false information". I'll kindly request again that you show me where a long standing consensus to exclude this spelling is recorded. You might also want to inform User:McSqueegee. In that way, any future edit wars can be avoided? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jonathan Demme[edit]

Gnome globe current event.svg On 26 April 2017, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jonathan Demme, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 23:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Thomas Koschat[edit]

Thanks for your help! Usually I create these in draft first, but I thought this would be a quick stub. There's a bit more there than I originally thought, so this can probably at least make "start" status, I'll significantly add to it this weekend, using the book sources. If you're interested, would you like to check some of the regular 'net sources such as allmusic, etc? Thanks, and happy editing! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 12:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, a great start. I probably won't be adding any YouTube video links. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Heh. I've been known to upload copyrighted material to youtube. Old records. The companies who own the material are generally happy to have me do it, they get free revenue for recordings they have neglected/forgotten for 30, 40, 100 years, and I've done all the work for them. Ironically, the only complaints I have had for my youtube videos is from people who are truly infringing on the copyright owners, claiming they own recordings they have no right to. That said, I'd never link to them from here, Wikipedia policy on media copyrights is too arcane/fluid/confusing, largely in part because of the inevitable international scope of the place, plus U.S. law on pre-1972 sound recordings is indecipherable. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:30, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah yes, is the problem that the link to the YouTube clip is being hosted by Wikipedia's servers in Florida? Or is it the actual geographic location of the YouTube sever hosting that particular clip when it plays at YouTube? Or perhaps something else? And of course, unless I try and play that clip in another, I don't know it's "unavailable" there anyway and thus not a copyright violation. I am genuinely surprised, in this day and age of internet dynamics, that anyone really cares too much, especially on Wikipedia Talk pages. Hardly the cutting edge of music and video piracy? The notion that we "shouldn't allow access" for readers and fellow editors to YouTube material is somewhat quaint, isn't it. But rules are rules, and policy is policy, etc. Perhaps one day we'll get "fair use" for timed extracts of videos, like we currently have for music recording excerpts? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
FWIW -- you may know this but I didn't -- you can specify a media file to play only a section, like this:

[[:File:Dinah (1932).webm|thumb|thumbtime=250|start=250|end=361|upright=1.5|Dinah, 1932]]

Of course you have to download (a non-copyvio) file from YouTube and then upload it here. This plays the video clip from 250 seconds to 361 seconds, specifying a short except that would probably qualify for fair use in the article. Whether this would fly for hosting the file though... I don't know, as a reader can access the full file if she goes "behind the scenes". Probably not, although you could try to make a case. Herostratus (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for the tip, Herostratus. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Copyright interlude[edit]


Martinevans123! I'm sorry if I insulted you in any way shape or form. I don't know anything about you or about about this particular case or anything -- it was just matter of "X did such-and-such" and me being like "OK then if X is off the reservation do such-and-so rather than this-and-that". You were just serving as anonymous random example for my purposes.

OK? Sorry!

It occurs to me that "off the reservation" might be racist (not sure -- I don't know where it comes from), so I should probably keep my cotton-pickin' hands off of it (we used to say that too). So not a good day for me.

I'm really sorry. I don't know anything about you, but it's been vouchsafed that you're a productive editor, and thank you for your contributions and all you do. Herostratus (talk) 15:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Old habits die hard, n'est ce pas? Yes, I felt I was being made an example of there. But I think someone may have set you up. In ten years of editing I don't think anyone has ever had the simple good manners to say sorry to me. It's a word that ought be to used quite a bit more. The irony is that no apologies are really needed from you. Re-reading what you wrote, I see that no animosity whatsoever was intended. Your kind words are much appreciated. Thanks so much for being polite. You're a real hero. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:06, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Zwergmanguste 2007-05-13 052.jpg
OK, everything is all Sir Garnet then. In the manner of friendship and reconciliation, here is a picture of a mongoose for you to look at, on the assumption that you like to look at pictures of mongooses. If not, just ignore the picture. Herostratus (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Democracy around the world[edit]

Hi Martin, Listen, don’t mention the genocide! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. Lucky we live in a country that tolerates legitimate alternative views – though not according to the leftie radicals at the Financial Times, of course. Er, ... your talk page looks radically different - I hope I haven't missed something?! JezGrove (talk) 22:01, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jez. Sorry I can't reply at the moment. Am enjoying one of those lovely last minute surprise Arctic cruises. Didn't even need a reservation! Unfortunately, the ship's band has jumped overboard. At least it's lovely and quiet (isn't it?) Martinevans123 (talk) 08:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Luckily, I was able to sneak into the Captain's Cabin and he gave us his personal permission to watch this orchestral gem!!
(Conductor: Jules Buckley; lead vocal: Sharlene Hector; backing vocals: Brendan Reilly and Vula Malinga; trumpet solo: Ruud Breuls)


... salt, angels and music. Look here, perhaps? (No salt.) - Do people think that a choir is a BLP? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Gerda, what a beautiful article. Your posts are always so inspiring. I see that EuropaChorAkademie has some great videos (on one of those social media sharing sites), that appear to have been legally uploaded and are fully in the public domain!! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:20, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! I found the notability tag very strange, - did you see the history? Conducted by Michael Gielen and Plácido Domingo would tell me enough ;) - on top of having listened to the Britten in the Mainz Cathedral, with the bishop opening the concert. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

This section has no title[edit]

Barnstar of Humour3.png The Barnstar of Good Humor
Someone might have dropped one of these on your talk page before, I don't know. (I'm pretty sure I never did....) The name has strange but not unpleasant connotations, at least to me, but I do think, per WP:ENGVAR, that there should be a "Humour" version. Anyway, here it is, for what it's worth, not very pretty and sadly silent, but try to imagine it vibrating along with a distant song of your choice (in the public domain, of course). Have a good weekend. RivertorchFIREWATER 22:41, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
And I thought good hummus was in short supply…. JezGrove (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
You'll get no wisecraks from me, ya lentil-knitting tree hugger. Sorry, must just dash to the corner Paki shop for some chewy yoghurt. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Yo, Torchy. My thanks!! Please give my kind regards to that evil twin of yours. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:33, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Koschat again[edit]

I hope you forgive my assumption: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Koschat. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Ha ha ha[edit]

Ambox humor.svg You are very humorous!!! UpsandDowns1234 (🗨) (My Contribs) 17:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

People keep telling me to buzz off, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
OK let's buzz. Martin, please keep some distance from TRM. Plenty of others appreciate your humor more. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Drmies. No worries. TRM works extremely hard for the project and seems to have quite a lot on his plate just now. Joining the Million Mile Club sounds like quite a safe distance to adopt for a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Well, speaking of miles, I am going the extra mile to avoid a block or ban. Ups and Downs () 02:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
But looks like you've now just run out of gas. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Get your priorities straight![edit]

Amazing what you can do with a laptop in Wales – and without leaving the house, apparently. Let's hope you haven't been blatantly [promoting extremism] on YouTube. After all, you could choose to spend your precious time trying to improve the world, instead… It's all a question of priorities, I guess. JezGrove (talk) 19:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

That looks like a perfectly well-constructed table to me. Regrettably, I've had to spend several hours removing your blatantly risky Hammersmith Odeon link (although it did have a great vibe and some very neat (hats) going on). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
They'll be deleting hard-earned World Records next. JezGrove (talk) 22:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Amharic funk[edit]


Don't panic, I emailed Alemayehu Eshete and he says it's cool. — Jimmy Saveloy (talk) 17:28, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Are you as bored as I am?[edit]

Hi Martin, Any idea if there is a proper name for sentences like "Are you as bored as I am?" which can be read backwards with a (kind of) reversed meaning, in this case, "Am I as bored as you are?" I thought I might find it in the 'See also' section of Antimetabole or related pages, but apparently not. The sentence seems to be doing the rounds on social media, but it can't be the only example of this type of structure. Thanks in advance! JezGrove (talk) 20:00, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jez. I think it's just a type of palindrome, as defined here. A sentence palindrome rather than a word palindrome? I also looked at commutative property. Yes, there must be other examples in English. But perhaps more common in languages that use logograms, I guess, e.g. these But then, I'm a nut for a jar of tuna. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Martin, sorry to be s-l-o-w replying. It seems to be a word or word-by-word palindrome. Another example is "First ladies rule the State and state the rule: ladies first". All the best! JezGrove (talk) 17:00, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm impressed. Apart from your fancy punctuation, of course. But yes, come June, I suppose they May. Slowly worms cross over cross worms slowly. You know, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Belated comment:
Smile, wavering wings
Above rains pour,
While hopefully sings
Love of shorn shore
Shore shorn of love
Sings hopefully while
Pour rains above,
Wings wavering, smile.
Walt Kelly, 1952
Sca (talk) 15:10, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
PS: Bored out of your wits? Try Borowitz. – Sca (talk) 01:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the link and the poem! I found some more here. Life can so much easier in poetry. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Walt Kelly (or his publisher) put out a songbook, Songs of the Pogo – illustrated of course with drawings of Pogo characters – sometime in the late '50s, I think. Very charming. Sca (talk) 17:53, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Free music?[edit]

I have music for FAC and was asked for free music samples. I think you are the expert when it comes to copyright on music ;) (In the last FAC, John tried.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. Alas no, I seem to be a liability when it comes to copyright. But I'll certainly look over that article when I can :) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Never mind, I try to forget the FAC --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Still a great article, Gerda. I'd say Francis was much more of an expert there than I could ever hope to be. I see some sound clips there already from Carl Flisch. This looks rather good, but I'm not 100% totally legally sure that it's copyright free. So I'll be getting another lecture from Fram soon, I expect. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Francis made me drop it. In two weeks, he can go for FA with it, - I wouldn't mind. An article that misses the most detailed source (because of copyright vio allegations that the best source checkers didn't see) and places labels before performers is nothing I want my name associated with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
That's a great shame. Good luck to the article, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The article doesn't have this but copyright and other tags. Where else to have a link to a translation in Chinese, and mentioning of who played violin in which recording? Every other article on a Bach cantata (that I know) has the information, at least as an external link. The discussion is on the RS noticeboard (linked on the bottom of the cantata talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
That seems inconsistent and disappointing. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Please join the discussion, he's just made a complete list trying to make them all consistently his way, and found support. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Maybe I will. But I always feel a little apprehensive. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2017 (UTC) If you know what I mean
My typical Wikipedia editing pattern
My typical Wikipedia editing pattern
Not that image please which is in the way of the tenor appearing pictured on DYK ;) - A beautiful day, long hike, so much better than all of this ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Tory Manifesto[edit]

Let's hope that Theresa May's plan to replace free school dinners for Year 1-3 school children with a hash breakfast isn't an omen for the likely outcome of our upcoming EU negotiations… And do her manifesto costings take into account the number of people who won't remember to pay the dementia tax? Still, when the Tories finally rebel against May in the distant future, perhaps the podium slogan she keeps standing behind — 'Forward To-get-her' — might come in useful! JezGrove (talk) 22:23, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hashtag-May-Dinner-Snatcher? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Whoops! It's not a U-turn – that's a "fake claim" (thanks, Donald!) I simply meant that under my strong and stable leadership there will be a cap on social care costs, er... even though I ruled one out, which I am going to demonstrate by putting it out for consultation. And I'll find that £8bn somewhere - maybe from higher taxes, but I'm going to exercise my mighty leadership by waiting for Matthew Taylor's report to come in first. And then I'll check down the back of the sofa. But, whatever you do, trust strong and stable Theresa and not weak and wobbly Corbyn - never trust a Jezza! Or the Trotskyist front page of The Times – "Pensioners to pay for May's social care U-turn"…? what Leftist propaganda! JezGrove (talk) 22:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Koschat[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 19 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas Koschat, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1970, Austrian Post issued a commemorative postage stamp honoring the composer and bass singer Thomas Koschat? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Koschat. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Thomas Koschat), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again for all your help on the above! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Just a reminder ...[edit]

... that "strong and stable leadership" can be sung to the tune of "All Things Bright and Beautiful". You're welcome. Softlavender (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Queen T like you ain't never seen her? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2017 (UTC) ....52 Brand New Hospitals Annually... or maybe nun...
One does begin to wonder: [9]. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
As Barry Gardiner said last night on Question Time, politicians always tend to "hedge away and try and answer a slightly different question... because they know can answer that one truthfully." I'm sure most would fail that test on a daily basis. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Maybe T can just be replaced with a tape-loop of "Strong and stable leadership" and "I'm very clear that". Beep  • Ping  • Blurp. At least that way she wouldn't have to actually interact with humans. Softlavender (talk) 06:53, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Just the thing for PMQs. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
Did someone say "soft"?? I think we might start calling you Peñón de Alhucemas? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown#Does the consensus listed below which are formed from a discussion on the MH17 talk page apply to this International Reactions page as well?[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown#Does the consensus listed below which are formed from a discussion on the MH17 talk page apply to this International Reactions page as well?. Mamasanju (talk) 22:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I added a comment. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Strong and stable walk in the park?[edit]

The tension is now just getting unbearable. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

.... someone find me a strong and stable Chairman. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
... more like a weak and wobbly paddle down the swanny... but every silver lining has a dark and nasty cloud. Robevans123 (talk) 04:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it seems Theresa May is indeed now toast. Martinevans123 (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
The nappy election. Hopefully the grown-ups will soon be in charge again..Irondome (talk) 06:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
No, that is unfair Martin. I take that back. As I have said many times before, Mrs May can always come and live in my bathroom. She never replies to my emails, which has I would argue, caused her present slight problem. She never followed my advice to wear a Teletubbies costume during the campaign, and sort of gurgle. This I feel was a decisive mistake. Also she rather sharply rejected operation beard where I advocated her growing one and undertaking false flag rallies where she would only speak in Basque. Now I fear it is too late. The bouncy Scottish tory woman who seemed to do rather well will be the next Prime minister. She did not use the term strong and stable once. No one ever listens to me, except that woman at the co-op. Sigh. Irondome (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Did someone mention Mr. Blobby? Martinevans123 (talk) 06:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Arguably Mr.Floppy? Irondome (talk) 06:38, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Now bed for a bit. I watched that comic opera all bloody night. I must be effing mad. At least i'm well pissed now, which is the only way to get through election nights, as my nan said once. I shall see you later me old mucker. I assume Mrs M will do me the common courtesy of not resigning till I wake up and belch at the T.V. Simon Irondome (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
... and the only antidote I can suggest.... Feckless cabaret? yes. Enormous schmaltz? yes. Popular club karaoke? almost. Outrageous gimmickry? undeniably. But still bucket loads of raw talent. And you don't just get Jeff, you also get a bit of Laurie Blue in this mini telegraph opera. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Please don´t change bio content as we are Official Steve Norman team and don´t like current bio. We are working on a new biography and pics. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loregraphic (talkcontribs) 22:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Pasquale Cerza? You're in an edit war. Just like the anon IP editor before you. You need to explain, at Talk:Steve Norman, to the other four editors who have reverted you, what you're attempting to do. Thank you! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
What exactly did you mean by your edit summary here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Frome Hoard ? GA nom[edit]

As you are a major contributor to the Frome Hoard I wanted to ask if there is anything else you think needs to be done to the article to ensure it meets the Good article criteria? Do you think a GA nomination would be appropriate? If there are any issues I would be happy to try to address them - perhaps we could discuss on the article talk page?— Rod talk 14:10, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Cheers Rod. I'll try and take a look later. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC) ... looks like you've struck gold here, my lovely! That looks more like the Alfred JewelRod talk 18:01, 10 June 2017 (UTC
Yes indeed, well spotted! Any relation to Jimmy? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Discography formatting[edit]

Please note that Discography sections are to be formatted like:

  • Name of album (Year)


  • Year: Name of album

This is per MOS:DISCOGRAPHY. Thanks.

Also for album article formatting like on Soul Meeting (King Curtis album)

  • No need to italicize "All compositions by _____ except as noted"
  • It should be "except where noted"
  • No need to put the songwriters in small coding
  • There is a Studio album infobox parameter that is for the studio. Recording is for the date only.
  • No need to put Personnel in columns unless it has over 20 names listed.

This is all per the WP:MOSALBUM, the album style guide. Thanks again. --Jennica / talk 02:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for tidying up, Jennica. But I sometimes think songwriters look a bit neater when they're small? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't say anything about that in the MOS:ALBUMS. I guess if you wanted to clarify, you could post on the talk page. It's probably not a big deal. I aim for consistency across all articles though. --Jennica / talk 08:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Who am I to want to step out of line. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde Statue[edit]

Excellent job on contextualizing the ridiculous claim that Dubliners, without any hint of homophobia, used non-offensive homophobic slurs in an entirely innocent way. It was better than actually entering into an edit war with the troll who claimed that it was supposed to be innocent in the first place. AnthroMimus (talk) 04:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

P.S. It almost restored my faith that a completely crowd-sourced encyclopedia actually could work. AnthroMimus (talk) 04:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words, AnthroMimus. Join the club. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:45, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Martin, long time no 'see'. Of course, the Irish can't claim to have a monopoly on 'witty' nicknames for local works of art - after all, the Angel of the North is known locally as the Gateshead Flasher. Cheers! JezGrove (talk) 09:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Did someone mention that "poof on the roof" again?? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC) "You ain't seen me, right?"
And there I was thinking "The streaker's feeling bleaker"… JezGrove (talk) 10:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
...just be careful you don't find barnacles growing in another place. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Are you taking the er... mickey? JezGrove (talk) 10:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Oi!, matey boy. Just p*** off now, will ya?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 22 June 2017 (UTC) .... but looking forward to seeing it's own pissing article?

Hangéd I Shall Be[edit]

Hi Martin, "Hangèd I Shall Be" is a version of the Cruel Miller aka The Oxford Tragedy or later in the US the The Knoxville Girl, not the admittedly similar Down in the Willow Garden. I might work on The Knoxville Girl to make it a more general article about that murder ballad, which dates back to a 17th C murder in Shrewsbury.[10] Fences&Windows 21:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for that. I've raised a discussion thread over at The Knoxville Girl. I was curious about the harmonic/ rhythmic structure of that Albion Band Battle of the Field song. As you may know, there is simply no info at all on the original vinyl album sleeve and no notes: [11] This source gives it as Roud 263, which is "The Cruel Miller" (Laws P35)"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


[[12]]. Irondome (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
My giddy aunt! That's a veritable goldmine. I should tea and cocoa!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Remember..a dirty tap..means dirty tea. I am content. Irondome (talk) 18:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Cor blimey, guv'nor. You've been down the East End again, haven't you Domey. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
[[13]] if people would have paid more attention to that then there would have been no need to make expensively produced bulk-tea making documentaries if you ask me me old china. Irondome (talk) 19:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Trouble brewing? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Oy gevalt! Irondome (talk) 19:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi Martin. I saw your edit summary here and I assure you I did look. Well done for replacing the source with one which was not garbage. See WP:BDP for further info. --John (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

We all knew that. Am guessing is only minor garbage. But great to see you're not sensitive about this at all. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


Olster Fray?? Gimme a break why don'tcha??

Only £1 billion? Arlene will burn through that in no time - typical penny-pinching Tories….! JezGrove (talk) 22:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

OMG, what are ye sayin' hexactalay?? ... hey cun ye resust a good ole honust Olster Fray, Theresa?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Hondootedly you're right – I take off my hat to you. Still, at least Donald Trump doesn't have a monopoly on the Orange insurgency.JezGrove (talk) 23:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
At least Arlene's singing? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


Maybe I should change my username to this. It would definitely be shorter. I won't ask which meaning you were alluding to. ;-) --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 09:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Yo Nips. Not too sure of which meaning myself. But I hear that "nipping newts" can be very endearing. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Gussie would be aghast. Then again, I've sometimes wished somebody had nipped this Newt years ago. RivertorchFIREWATER 15:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid you've both totally lost me! Anyway, thanks for your response at Talk:Under Milk Wood. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 17:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I get so carried away at Wikipedia that I often lose myself. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC) or do I mean "get in a real mess"? [14]

Congratulations on bubbling ...[edit]

... around under top 400 and storming in at 400 (Wikipedians ranked by number of edits).

BTW do you know where James Dean Bradfield was born? An unregistered editor removed him from Pontypool, but his page has not been updated. The sources are unclear. He may have been born in Tredegar, Pontllanfraith, or Pontypool... Evans123 the Death (talk) 17:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Ah-ha !! Will nothing stop the Welsh rotter??! A real sizzling chart barhd sarhd !! .... Not 'arf, pop-pickers !! Dave Nice 123 (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC) not sure where Boyo, but I do know he was in fact born a girl.... did someone say Lambrini moment? ... "so who am I to question why I'm famous"
But well done, SpizzEEnergi.... the original and the best. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

So anyway, yes, um, thanks for this latest embarrassment. As I'm sure you must know, I regard that list as perhaps the worst possible indicator of anything worth indicating. About half of my edits are removing superfluous full stops and adding superfluous links, And the other half are correcting my own spelling mistakes. I mean the ranking doesn't even take into account the size of the edits, or even average size. I struggle to add a single coherent sentence, while plenty of other editors create entire new articles in a single edit. I guess I'll just have to resign from the list. But thanks for that special Lambrini moment. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2017 (UTC) [15]

Ok, Puddles may be the all-time winner of One Song to the Tune of Another, but can he explain the rules of Mornington Crescent? Although he could manage this - good game, good game. Robevans123 (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Haha, very funny. "You're my "favourite" (... not really). Martinevans123 (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC) Did someone say wikibreak? Apparently I can check out of my account any time I want, but I can never leave.
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door. I had to find the passage back to the place I was before. "Relax" said the night man, 'We are programmed to receive. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!'  Cheers! Gareth Griffith‑Jones (The Welsh Buzzard) 15:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
We need a inspector to sort out this sort of problem. Or maybe appoint a counter cultural attaché (by appointment to the court of St Ella of Artois). Mr Ffff springs to mind. Robevans123 (talk) 16:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Deffo. Or how about a Queen Mary? ... of Shoplifters ... of Lairs or even ... of Snot? I'd feel like a real king. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC) .... so you think you can tell? [16]

Gender assignment[edit]

There wasn't but with some people you may have to show them their errors and let them realize it. I wouldn't want to lead the lamb to the butcher.2605:E000:9152:8F00:3832:5234:5BA4:7DB6 (talk) 10:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I think this may be better discussed at Talk:Albert Nobbs? But I assume you mean slaughter. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I would never slaughter as I am not a butcher.2605:E000:9152:8F00:3832:5234:5BA4:7DB6 (talk) 10:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

In most cultures those are two separate occupations. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Lyrical Wye[edit]

Came across this documentary late last night on BBC4, 2006-2007, Wye - Voices from the Valley. Well worth a look. Some stunning photography. Robevans123 (talk) 12:19, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

"Wye Do You Only Message Me When You're High?" But no, many thanks, Rob. Not seen that before. Looks really nice and relaxing and I will be sure to watch later. Thanks for the link! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
A bit of class Cheers!
Gareth Griffith-Jones, The Welsh Buzzard (Talk) 12:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Great track. BTW I'm always high as a kite - although the one shown in the film was struggling to get any elevation in the mid-Wales snow... Robevans123 (talk) 13:04, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah, not that other mid-Wales snow, then. FredKite123 (talk) 13:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I've not been myself since after the operation... The Lonely Daffodil (talk) 14:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Ah yes, that can leave one feeling a bit shaggy. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Robbo, magical. A neighbour who I went to school with has a vineyard at Parva Farm. And I have relations who still breed lambs at Builth. The Wye is such a special river. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed it - think I'll give it another watch before it runs out on Thursday early morning. The Wye and Afon Lwyd are the rivers of my childhood (and the Usk to a lesser extent). I recently found out the Afon Lwyd was still effectively an open sewer until the 1950s, let alone the industrial waste... Quite an interesting tale of rivalries between different urban councils and Monmouthshire County Council. Take a look at pages 129 to 134 from here (health report for Monmouthshire for 1937) for an example of bureaucratic skullduggery! The Wellcome Institute has paid for the digitisation of a whole load of these reports for British counties. They are normally a bit drier than the example given - the medical officer David Rocyn-Jones was pretty exasperated I think. The reports do reveal a lot of social history if look at them from the 1900s to the 1980s (treatment of tuberculosis, unmarried mothers, clean air acts, smoking etc). Cheers Robevans123 (talk) 21:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I have to admit, the River Usk has always been been far more my river than the Wye. I remember the Bulmore Lido in Caerleon which was opposite the Afon Lwyd. By the way, it seems that Derek and Veronica Morgan farm at "Safn y Coed" at Llangurig. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Bulmore Lido! Blast from the past - such a shame that it's gone. I spent a happy day sitting on Caerleon Bridge in 1976 measuring the height of the water every 15 minutes. I was working for Welsh Water in Caerleon at the time. We stayed hydrated with supplies from the Ship Inn... Robevans123 (talk) 22:04, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Looks like lidos in Wales might be on the way back. The Pontypridd one looks very jolly. Robevans123 (talk) 10:31, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, looks a bit busy over in Ponty. You'd probably need to shuffle! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:44, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Fred West death[edit]

Martin, I didn't know how else to contact. I was the user who edited Fred West cause of death. I did it because I recently found out a very good friend of mine was deputy coroner on West's death. I've never edited before so please bare with me! T — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:35, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Yes a note here is fine. Unfortunately we can't add information on the basis of what we've been told by "very good friend", regardless of their occupation. We need to use reliable sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


Grrrrrr. (And just when I'm having cmptr probs, too. Grrrr.) Sca (talk) 22:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

A bit surprised that no definitive cause of death is given at Mary Jo Kopechne and that the word "drown" does not appear. The Cats just give us Category:Road incident deaths in Massachusetts. One for the conspiracy theorists perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, "died in the submerged vehicle" makes it pretty obvious that she drowned, but the article should have said so if that's what the coroner ruled. Sca (talk) 00:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
As in "died in a submerged vehicle, that was full of air, as a result of head injuries...."? etc. etc., One can make an educated guess, based on the other circumstances. But I would have thought if there was one single fact that needed to be in that article it would be the coroner's ruling. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:31, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Jacob Rees-Mogg[edit]

Apparently I can't read; I missed the second "was" so it looked like a misleading edit summary. Sigh. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Easily done. Let's hope the Moggfather will forgive you. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Not too much hubris although watch out for this fellow!  Cheers! Gareth Griffith‑Jones (The Welsh Buzzard) 08:36, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Musical memories[edit]

DYK that I am in the middle of five of my memories in a row, one each set? Almost too much of a good thing! Two on top of my talk, one pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, Gerda. Great work. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
My memory, created by LouisAlain, with reviews added by Cg2p0B0u8m, and now you copy-edited, thank you! - Collaboration as I like it! - Project opera has a rule: when the piece has an article, no link for the composer (to avoid a sea of blue) - and it's almost an opera ;) - Look at some external links for images of the Frankfurt event, - the stage director did the opening of the Barcelona Olympics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Adding any author link to an adjacent linked work is usually overlink. Just thought I'd try and sneak one in, as he is notable, obviously! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I almost tolerated it, because of "dramatic oratorio" in between, so no "sea" anyway. Stunning image, the chosen one, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Same reason! Yes, is stunning. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
So today we have music that friends reprinted after it seemed lost for more than 200 years, and the singer I heard as Medea. See external link for more stunning images. To be continued. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
"lost and passionate"?? Yes, I often feel a bit like that. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 22 July 2017 (UTC) [17].
Yes. Tomorrow a singer who sang two wonderful Brahms songs for voice, viola and piano, only to find out: no article yet, not even in German. The first written as a wedding present for Joseph Joachim and his alto wife, the second much later to repair the marriage (which didn't work). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Wow, yes here she is. Heavenly. Martinevans123 (talk)
Thank you! Andreas Scholl (who sang "He was despised" for us, and you would have heard a needle fall) said that it is his favourite Bach aria. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to be racist, but Irish people are so lovely. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Let's not knock the Welsh, though. Kafka Liz (talk) 20:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Spy on me baby use satellite, Infrared to see me move through the night. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:34, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yep, he was one of the "many others" ref'd in my edit summary :) So, some coals to Newcastle for your delectation. Kafka Liz (talk) 08:58, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

For more delectation, I archived my memories. - What do you think of this? The piece is also among my memories. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
That's really a lovely piece. Reminds me, albeit very slightly, of Gregorian chants. Have you ever been into those? I really love them; not sure if you'd like, but give a listen if you get a chance. I'll see if I can find a link. Kafka Liz (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
We sang the Requiem, and we regularly do four-part psalm recitation like that, just in German. - by this (talk discussion) I meant: what to you think about a revert like vandalism? - We are supposed to assume good faith, but it looks like bait to me, which I will not take ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, the link just brings me to the top of talk page. If you mean the infobox discussion, I don't know the history there and would prefer not to get into it. Would rather talk music and art :) Kafka Liz (talk) 14:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
The word infobox - even if some tell you otherwise - is nothing to be afraid of. I made one for that Requiem, as I saw them for Mozart, Verdi, Reger, - and could have added Rutter and probably others. It was reverted by an IP without an edit summary, as if it was vandalism. Some users may actually think any infobox is vandalism, some may think one by me is, or it could be just a misclick, which is something I am also guilty of. Anyway, I am not in a position to revert even once, so went to the talk of the article and the IP, and Ceoil and here, where the nice people are ;) - Infoboxes for compositions have not been contentious, period. Bruckner symphonies had them from 2007, Mahler's from 2013. Spread that news, it's too little known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Look at this Requiem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
I probably shouldn't say this, but I feel it ought be left to the discretion of the author. You can see that some articles I started have infoboxes while others do not. I feel it works in some instances and not in others. I don't really understand a need for uniformity here, and I also suggest we move this off poor Martin's talkpage. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't mind a revert. I mind a rollback that makes no sense, that's all. When I'm reverted with a reason, even if it's just "I don't like it", I swallow it and go to the next. - Who is the author? Many articles on musical compositions were written before {{infobox musical composition}} existed (created in 2013), which has now more than 1000 inclusions, including the Ninth Symphony and Messiah. Many of their authors are not active anymore. - I will eventually take it Duruflé's Requiem to GA, if - as Ceoil said - I get to it before I die. I did that for Fauré's which has no infobox for respect of Tim riley. - When I say "spread the news" I mean Martin also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Same piece as above: opus magnum and mine (our rehearsal pictured) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Ooh, now we're all trying to spot you, Gerda....
Won't work, I was the photographer ;) - I had the keyboard player right in front of me who switched from harspsichord to organ and back, and who played from a facsimile of the score in the performance!! - If you want to spot me, look on my user page. Photo by Gabriel Dessauer, his daughter the oboist, Ignace Michiels on her left. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Ha-ha! Sneaky. But I think we can all see a very slight reflection of you there in the thrash metal drums. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
I remember that on one of my userpages archived, I said which row, but am too tire to look it up. Thanks for some responses where I bite my tongue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah yes, "Tongues" - opening track!! [18] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Today, three operas on the main page, one that I saw, curious about another (read play article!), and going to find out about the third which is a stub so far. - Off to vacation after expanding! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Grade II* listed buildings in Monmouthshire[edit]

Still plenty of photographic "gaps" in the article if you find yourself at a loose end one day! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 11:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, KJP. I'm not much of a Bill Brandt. But. yes, am tempted to order a nice deep shagpile from Chepstow Carpets Ltd. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Chepstow Carpets has closed. But you could get a course in business poetry from the current occupants of Moynes Court... Robevans123 (talk) 11:54, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Closed?? am gutted... in fact, now feeling a bit dizzy. But ah yes, business poetry, don't you just love it? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
What a pity. Had they still been open, and had you got us a photo of Moynes Court, I should have thanked you with the gift of a fine Khorassan, of the kind which adorns Sir Winston's study at Chartwell. Which just happens to be up for review! KJP1 (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
I now feel suitably carpetted. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


New Zealand TW-17.svg Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
(Freshly made with 328 locally-sourced RfA-voting skinks)
This is a first from RfA. And a very welcome message. My very best wishes and good luck.
My dear friend Ethel Baxter warmly sends you a bowl of her very best traditional Highland CULLEN Skink.
-- Martinevans123 (talk) 12:25, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
And after the round of thanks (110 on my watchlist, which didn't include those who responded), and nourished by the soup, he can turn to what happened to my RfA question (last link in the top bottom on my talk) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Did you eat enough soup for a witty response to "fancy" there? Perhaps asking for one - just one - reference to content? I'd break my New Year's resolution if I did. Inspiration for wording can be found on Maritana, mostly by Voce, "By all means keep that clunky, redundant navbox sitting at the top of the article and chalk it up as a victory". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll have to ponder on that one. Is it really a good sales proposition? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Not quite sure about the meaning of sales here. I have nothing to offer ;) - I don't recall having been reverted with edit summary "ridiculous". I remember others, though, "No thanks, Gerda, this infrobox is absolutely horrendous and ugly" and "Poor old Cello Concerto! Why inflict an idiot box on this when the other major works escape?" - For some reason, these amuse me more than "ridiculous". What a dangerous thing I just said? A friend was taken to ANI for being amused having fun, - he said Thank you, link just above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Soup Box Derby, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I understand everyone who wants to avoid the new word, as I do ;) - btw, the sources for the flowery edit summaries date from 2013, a Bach cantata and - as you will have guessed - a cello concerto, and both obediently without a box ever since ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
3 new ones ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Great work, Gerda. Well done (yet again!) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Completely different job: get a little bit of a long Slovak article over to English, - I started in user space, if you want to peek. I told Smerus whose house is almost next door (well, one block away). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I saw Klastorska 36! He has very some very nice pieces. So, I've already booked a transit van for when he's on holiday. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Best in Festival time: "Without music, life would be a mistake......" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Ooo, Jonathan Powell? ... must be worth a visit, then! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

An Earl Hines mystery[edit]

Hi Martinevans,
I think of you as being the Earl Hines [& much else] Wiki guru ....

Summat-funny seems to have happened to the Biog section of Earl Hines: 'Early Life' now reads, "Later, Hines said that he was playing piano around Pittsburgh "before the word 'jazz' was even invented".[14] and $15 a week.[15][16] " - but if you then click on edit ... it all seems hunkier-than-dory.

Are you guru-enough to fix it? I'm not.


Mr T — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tolesi (talkcontribs) 08:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

You'll be claiming that Martin's home is Tir Iarll next.  Cheers! Gareth Griffith‑Jones (The Welsh Buzzard) 08:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Less of a guru, more of a gnu, I fear. I'll try and take a look. But I'm sure there's no need to get angry! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
... it was just a missing >. Always treat ref mark-ups with caution! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
'Are you guru-enough to fix it?' There - I told you so! Thank You Tolesi (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Monkey selfie move[edit]

Will you please stop monkeying about with article names?

Hey Martin, it's been a while, so I decided just to be bold and propose a rename for the Monkey selfie article. If you want to weigh in, you can do so here: Talk:Monkey_selfie#Requested_move_9_August_2017

Thanks, Greg (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Just did! lol Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
These monkeys seem very pleased to have their photo taken... Robevans123 (talk) 13:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
... and who said "ArbCom doesn't have any balls" ?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:19, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Had a look at this image of George Washington. It's the most famous one of him and is used as the basis of the United States one-dollar bill. I think it's meant to be his real hair, not a horsehair wig. Fortunately, this source agrees.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:23, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
"Has his hair elegance? Has his hair fragrance?" Mr. Justice Cocklecarrot123 (talk) 19:58, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Church of St Martin, Cwmyoy[edit]

Here's to successful "tours" of the East Lothian

Morning Martin, a couple of things. Sources 9/10 in the above are both dead. Do you have any updated links for the grave, as it's not mentioned in anything I've got? I hope my updating has retained all the earlier information. Re. the Dingestow Court fish, it is indeed £50, but Bradney, unsurprisingly given he was writing early last century, gives it thus, 50l. Would you like me to change it? I can see it may be confusing. Lastly, any idea how on earth the Polish article on St Martin's is so long? Who would have thought its fame would have spread so far. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 05:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Refs 9 & 10 fixed (slight changes in pathnames) - but they only say Gill farmed and lived near Abergavenny. He is buried there. See this photo album - 3rd on top row. It's a good set of photos but they have full rights reserved... Which is a shame as I think Cold War Warrior on epernity is the same person as Jaggery on Geograph (where he adds freely available images). You could use this link from the Megalithic Portal. Interestingly, Gill left £2,000 to the Friends of the Friendless Churches Society and his funeral service was at St Bridget's, Skenthrith.
Polish article doesn't seem to say much more, but has lots off letters with accents. No new references. Robevans123 (talk) 08:43, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, Polish does have a lot of crazy accents! Many thanks for fixing those links, Rob. Yes, Gill's gravestone would make a good addition, I think. Perhaps the link could be used as a reference for now. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
KJP1, yes I'd put £, or perhaps just a link to pounds. It looks more odd to me because it's at the end of the sentence, I think. There might well be some guideline for this over at WP:MOS, but I hesitate to ask sometimes, fearing a wall-of-text-ten-feet-deep for the slightest little departure from the prescribed house style for any jot and tittle. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Something fishy - @Martinevans123 and KJP1: the backslash goes between shillings and pence, so 50/- or 50/ is 50 shillings, not pounds. See here for details. I would just do the quote as "fish to the value of 50 shillings". You could wikilink to Shilling (British coin), [which also uses the 1/- convention]. Robevans123 (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I had thought the very same thing (as in 60/-, 70/- and 80/-) and that sounds more like an expected value for a country house pond in the 1640s? But I don't have that volume of Bradney's to look it up. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
£50 would be a king's ransom... And if the value given was from records from the period, it would almost certainly be in guineas not pounds, although there were pound coins around. Robevans123 (talk) 20:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
That poor woman from the Daily Echo should have gone to Specsavers. I suspect Bradney's assertion is wholly apocryphal. But the history of that coin, struck in Oxford, is quite amazing. I never knew that Charles I even had a Royal Mint in Aberystwyth! It's mentioned at Aberystwyth Castle. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
And I didn't know there had been silver mining in Ceredigion, or that it's still going on today (although most of the revenue probably comes from the visitors!). Robevans123 (talk) 21:07, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Can you dig it? You can't beat a bit of traditional Welsh silver, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
My mistake. Fortunately, The Hundred of Raglan is the one Bradney I do have. Really must try and get the others but the 1990s reprints have been out-of-print for years, and the prices for the originals are shocking. Anyways, now corrected. KJP1 (talk) 05:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for correcting. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


Les Djinns: I asked LouisAlain, see his talk, and you can do the same, he is one of the angels around here, - Floq, do you here me? - Guess what: I could add the Echo Klassik 2017 to one of my recent articles, and tomorrow's pictured DYK is sort of related. More tomorrow. - My last pictured DYK made it to the stats, but now she was more attractive (don't tell Hillbilly) than a palace in winter ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, he is. I wish I had thought of that. He's never miserable. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
The secret code to the lost music is Schloss Ledenburg. If you have the time, read the 37 pages (in the journal ref) devoted to the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
The secret code to the quote mentioned on Arvo Pärt is this (rotation, you need to go in edit mode), still works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
I'll get to those 37 pages soon, Gerda, don't worry. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
They were right, of course. And banned, by our charming community. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I created the bridge prize, - building bridges is a good topic! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Very nice! Great to see Arvo there. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)


It strikes me that user sanctions would be more fun if we styled them after Play Your Cards Right. "So, we're looking at a three-month block, do the community think we should go higher or lower? ..... lower than three-months, one-month .... higher or lower? .... higher than one month ..... oooooh, you don't get anything for a pair, not in this game!" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:28, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

And you, an admin!? You should be deeply ashamed! Programme titles go in italics ok?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
... for a minute there I thought you meant this Brucie and her new exciting SPI panel game?? -- Mouldy old Phil 123 (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I must say, I did laugh at Threesie's comment at ITN... 75 years in showbiz and not a whiff of noncing: "Diddly do well". --Jimmy Saveloy (talk) 20:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC) Some art
Now just look here Mister so-called "slash-and-burn" features. You're just not welcome here.... with your jangling medallion, grotesque Leeds accent and happy-go-lucky jaunty tombstone!! You're just "all cigar and no knickers". yours ever, Kangaroo-on-remand-sport 123 (talk) 20:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC) p.s. and after that recent Spanish paternity case, I think we can all see who the real father was.

More Pärt[edit]

Just returning from a great concert! Did you know that the Rheingau Musik Festival presented at the Kurhaus, Wiesbaden a concert with the Baltic Sea Philharmonic, conducted by Kristjan Järvi, beginning with Arvo Pärts Swansong, then Rachmaninoff's 2nd piano concerto, with Alexander Malofeef (age 16), then Stavinsky's L'Oiseau de feu which they played standing and from memory?! ... that during the second encore, the whole hall clapped, and the conductor jumped from the podium and danced with ladies in the first row? Some articles to be written in the next future. - Did you know that the festival was my fourth article ever, and on the Main page today (with a soprano)? ... that I wrote the Kurhaus with Dr. Blofeld? Small world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I tried short.... but alas, good old WMG, up to their usual tricks again - content blocked for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 20 August 2017 (UTC) ... hey, that sounds like a real scorcher - wish I had been there!
Plenty of YouTube samples, + a review of the same piece. - Another feature of the concert I liked: the conductor didn't just point at players to make the stand up for extra applause, - he made them come forward, with him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
And now you want me to subscribe to The Australian?? Strewth, Sheila! I'll just search the Tube instead, thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I found the link (and article!) by searching for the pianist's name, - I hope you can do the same, perhaps add "blonde-haired" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Haha, yes I will do, just after I'm done with Arnett. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2017 (UTC) ("Funky Butt" is particularly fine - recorded 1981 with the vastly underrated Derek Smith on piano)

enjoy - I sat above the orchestra on the right, but just above the camera view --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

while you wait --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

listening now, to Rachmaninoff! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Moar Pärt: guess what Teodor Currentzis chose to prepare us listeners for Mozart's Requiem: Hildegard von Bingen (to which they walked through the long aisle, with candles, Ligeti's Lux aeterna, 2 Alfred Schnittke, Stravinsky, 3 Purcell, and Salve Regina! Did you know that I started Hear my prayer just last week? Last piece Remember not, Lord, our offences (not by me), which they did with hand gestures of grief and remorse. Fascinating, theatre! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2017 (UTC)


Sorry I reverted your overlinking fix at Penderyn. I wanted to just revert the IP edit but couldn't because they conflicted. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

No worries. I think we're sorted now. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
Good to see you've avoided a shipwreck. Robevans123 (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
After all that Penderyn, I can assure you that I still need a jolly good drying out. In fact, if you're ever up Shropshire way, boyo, perhaps you could book me into one of those new crowd-funded "tranny" wards? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

True story[edit]

I was in a second hand shop a while back and saw a Stylophone. I asked the owner of the shop whether there was still a market for these, bearing in mind what happened with Rolf Harris and that he is on the packaging of some of them.[19] He said yes. So that's OK. And radio stations haven't stopped playing "Space Oddity" because it features a Stylophone. I've always thought of the Stylophone as a cut price version of a Clavioline, most famously heard on "Telstar (instrumental)". I've never owned one, despite seeing them on the second hand market. Will this sell on eBay? I'm watching but not bidding.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:31, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

I'll get one of my sockpuppets to bid on my behalf. Poor old Joe will be spinning his Newent grave, no doubt. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
eBay famously banned the Dad's Army board game in 2010 because there are swastikas on the box. It looks like a grinning Rolf Harris isn't offensive enough to ban. Yet.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:41, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Give it time. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Since you're bursting to know, it sold for £11.61, which was a bit less than I expected. However, it didn't have the 7 inch demo record, which the enthusiasts will expect (are there Rolf Harris enthusiasts these days?) Also found this YouTube video with Rolf Harris and Jimmy Savile. Goodness gracious, guys and gals, the BBC is not going to be broadcasting this one again any time soon.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, I was bursting. Hmm, Rolf and Jimmy, eh? - the original dream team. But what's this, Ian?? Shameless BBC COPYVIO!! A trip to AN/I for you, no doubt. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes I know, and it looks like somebody's wobbly home video of something that was broadcast in 2000. The BBC has decided that it won't show anything with Savile, Harris, Jonathan King, Dave Lee Travis etc nowadays, which risks creating a significant gap in the broadcast archive.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:46, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, many folks would probably appreciate quite a deep hole in the archive. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Be of good cheer, sit back and enjoy the wonders of your amazingly flexible instrument. Of course, I am a kazoo man meself Irondome (talk) 18:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
The first video is excellent, although it has cheated a bit by using a modern guitar effects pedal to produce effects that the Stylophone can't do on its own, such as playing more than one note at a time (eg on "Iron Man"), or lowering the pitch (eg on "Satisfaction"). And he still didn't play "Telstar (instrumental)", which is an obvious choice for the Stylophone.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
True, and not covering Telstar was a gaff. However I think it is a useful video for demonstrating it's potential, I certainly wasn't aware that you could attach other gizmos to it. It certainly adds to it's flexibility if you have a effects pedal to hand. A great buy all in all. Irondome (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
this is rather good too Seems entirely Stylophone generated apart from a backing tape. Irondome (talk) 19:24, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Celtic Stylophone (Galician song, fast!) is interesting, because the music is in D, but when you look at the video closely, he is playing it on the keyboard in C. How has he done it? There is a tuning hole on the back of a Stylophone, so he must have raised the pitch by a whole tone to play along with the recording using all of the white notes on a piano keyboard. Otherwise it would be D major on the backing track, and D minor on the Stylophone.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:41, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Bank Holiday Weekend sorted[edit]

Typical Newport beachwear

Why travel to Penarth or Barry when you can go here? Frosty the Sandman anyone? Robevans123 (talk) 18:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Haha. nice one, how very magical! Quite an exotic treat for a city that's used to seeing tons of something far less attractive. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Mud, how glorious, but slows you down doing the steps to Tiger Bay Feet. Robevans123 (talk) 10:02, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
eewwww, that's so grim, even by my very grubby standards. Well done! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Inamorata/garter is my all time favourite rhyme!
"Come on down", Robbo me ol' china!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 27 August 2017 (UTC) ... "fermented kaleidoscope of dung" sounds so appealing, don't you think?
appealing if you're a dung beetle. Come on Stuart Heritage, don't mince your words, say what you mean. One to avoid, especially as Anton is making an appearance. Robevans123 (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
yes, this dazzling new series looks a lot "better", ... "better get a bucket" Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Seems oddly late in the season to build a beach, but maybe they've judged the weather (and the canine accumulation rate) well.
I wonder if we'll get another beach in our village? After last summer, Cwmbran's urban beach sand (Cwmbran now does everything earlier and better than Newport) ended up spread in the fields around here. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, seems that bit about "earlier and better" is actually true. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2017 (UTC)


😂😂😂😂!!! Atsme📞📧 22:09, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Stop misusing[edit]

Stop misusing rollback or you will be reported. The edits I made to the bridge articles are not vandalism. (talk) 17:54, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You are a vandal. You should be blocked indefinitely. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I know this is a little late but i won't say that they count as vandlism however they are useless edits. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 11:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Really? Unfortunately, it wasn't just the bridge edits, which I might have let go for others to decide. You saw the full list e.g. [20] ?? - although we were told that was "someone else", of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I spent 10 minutes looking it over and I highly doubt it's another person. By my calculations their edit summaries don't seem to support that claim nor do they help their case get any better. Is the IP unblocked at this time? Since the block seemed to only be 31 hours I believe they would be unblocked by now ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 11:56, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, good point. I had forgotten it was only 31 hours. It's not often I agree with an IP vandal, but yes, it should have been an indef. Better keep an eye out, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:00, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

I will do the same ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 12:31, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

All's Well That Ends Well?? Especially at this one, I hope. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Yup. At least it isn't a group ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 12:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

You are a terrible person...[edit]

You have now sent me on a never ending abyss of poor quality Simpsons Youtube clips, that I'm probably just going to listen to in the background anyway. TJWtalk 22:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

A-ha. I feel my work here is done. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
... needed a header like that ... the people I wrote about die, Siegfried Köhler the third in a few weeks, - at least we'll have a funny DYK image tomorrow, the owl and the pussycat --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
ps: Love's Labor's Lost, useful link in many situations, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. I'm only glad Jimmy Wales is not dead and is still smiling, as usual Martinevans123 (talk) 22:21, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm glader that you still smile ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
It's... still... going.... TJWtalk 22:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
*just grins* -- Smiley Goldberg 123 (talk) 22:40, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
ITSSTILLGOING — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timothyjosephwood (talkcontribs) 22:56, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Peter Hall[edit]

Hi Martin, I can't believe that Peter Hall (director) hasn't featured in 'Recent deaths' - maybe he should have been a left-handed pitcher in a minor baseball league to deserve that honour? (Also can't believe that his article needs the '(director)' clarification if it comes to that, but that's another issue). Unfortunately I'm too ignorant to be able to sort how to nominate/find and support a nomination for Recent deaths - any hints that you can give? Thanks as always - JezGrove (talk) 20:36, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes a minor scandal. We're just left waiting. Obviously we can't have any room for confusion, can we. But I must admit that I visit ITN 'Recent deaths' less and less frequently these days, I'm afraid, as for me it's just a source of disappointment and frustration. Deaths are frequently nominated (quickly) by editors who seem to have no interest whatsoever in the person and proceed to make not a single edit to the article. A few others occasionally then just turn up to say "not good enough" or "unsourced", and again make no efforts to improve or just add a sprinkling of "refimprove" templates. So you'll just have to wade in and decide where the "heaps of referencing" are actually needed. I'd advise you to add a few sources where things look particularly bare and (only) then add your support for posting. But don't hold your breath, as they say. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, just found it... JezGrove (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
It's ironic to think that I spent a large amount of effort ensuring that people like Hall even stood a chance of being listed at RD by getting enough consensus to support a "quality-only" criterion. Do you honestly think that Hall would have been considered for inclusion for a moment before, when you had Randy from Boise and his buddies voting down his notability? Jesus, you can't please anyone, any of the time around here. And as you know, we're all volunteers, so noting that an article is shit and moving on is just fine. Alternatively, pay me to fix them, and I'll gladly engage in things I have precisely zero interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
(ec) I fixed the Opera section for Hall, which had no links to operas, and no ref. RD should be renamed, because by the time that procedure passed it's not recent anymore. I saw that for Killmayer (but 6k+ views when it finally was mentioned), and again for Köhler. I am no help for the long other parts of Hall, sorry. - A while ago, I could help with Jon Vickers, but then I knew what I was writing about, and where to find the missing refs. - Our conductor recalled Killmayer, and how difficult it was to meet his high standards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
As I said Gerda, it wasn't that long ago that individuals like Killmayer wouldn't have even been given a cursory glance for RD. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

... not that I'm expecting any response from my glittering salon of talk page stalkers. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 13 September 2017 (UTC) p.s. well done Gerda.

I'll take that as a "thank you TRM for going to such lengths to enable such minority interest folks even a chance at RD, I'm forever indebted". You're welcome. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely. You must be exhausted. Although I'm not convinced that the article is, as you've so quaintly put it, "shit". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC) p.s. had you considered retirement at all? At least we got a good view of the rings of Uranus?
The answer to that is at ITNC now, as you know. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:27, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
I know that Peter Hall has been a legend for a long time (his Shakespeare made it to Germany, + the Ring 100 years after Wagner died, - thus following the Jahrhundertring), and it's too bad that he didn't live long enough to see his article improved ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
(ec) No, I didn't. I said that noting "an article is shit". Nothing specific to with Hall, who, as you very well know, I nominated, because I was very surprised no-one had done it already and wanted to get it up there so people who gave a toss could do something with it. Turns out very few did give a toss. And ironically you berate me for not getting involved in something I have no interest in other than to further the quality of the encyclopedia and give minority RDs like Hall a chance by nominating it when no-one else had. Brilliant work. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, Gerda, a deeper irony, for most candidates in that category, I feel. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
And I do hope you get the credit, TRM. Although I had not realised the non-giving-of-tosses was already over. Martinevans123 (talk)
I am happy I started the articles on Siegfried Köhler and Killmayer when they were still alive. Can't say the same about Manfred Jung (pictured from behind when you click Jahrhundertring), whom I saw in Bayreuth. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Quite a sparky role for someone who started out as a "heavy current electrician". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Sparky? no, according to Anna Russell: very handsome, very strong, very brave, very stupid. "I'm not making this up, you know!" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure his performances were electrifying. Three-phase mains voltage can be quite daunting. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
I confess that I found Gwyneth Jones more electrifying, - that's why she has her article ;) - Pierre Boulez conducting the spark! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I saw dear old "Lunchtime O'Boulez" there. How intriguing. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
According to Earwig, there’s a 57.9% chance of copyright violation when comparing WP’s article and the RSC's tribute. Not exactly sure what that means though… JezGrove (talk) 21:40, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Allowing for sampling error, I think it means the RSC's obit is 57.9% shit. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh dear - who originated the shit, though? (Really sad if the RSC copied and pasted WP for its tribute to their founder.) JezGrove (talk) 21:56, 13 September 2017 (UTC) (Just posted a query about the er... 'overlap' to the RSC, so we'll see what they say!) JezGrove (talk) 22:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, a bit imponderable. At least TRM's in the clear, I feel. I'm guessing that an expert like Diannaaaaa might be able to explain. But she knows my views on how facts can often look very much the same in two different places. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 13 September 2017 (UTC) "We come to praise Caesar, not to bury him!" lol

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks to everyone for working on his article. I was fortunate to be in the audience when Tantalus was performed at the Denver Center Theater. A unique experience. I particularly enjoyed David Ryall's performance. RIP Peter Hall. MarnetteD|Talk 22:32, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I must admit I find ITN RD a bit tantalising most of the time. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Digging about I discover we have had the overlapping content since this edit of May 30, 2016, so it looks like the RSC copied from us rather than the other way around. P.S. The same stuff was copied from us by the Daily Mail and other locations online. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Wow, thanks. It's like a black art to me, Big D, it really is Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Diannaa, I had a nasty feeling that that was the case. It's interesting to hear what you say about what Hillbillyholiday calls the Daily Fail - when WP decided earlier this year that the Daily Mail was not a reliable source, after a discussion that he had initiated, the Mail claimed that its journalists had been banned from using WP as a source since 2014. And then earlier this week he caught them copying and pasting parts of the WP Javier Bardem article and forgetting to delete the citation numbers. And now, apparently, they're at it again … JezGrove (talk) 23:19, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
OMG that's hilarious — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
[51] is a perfectly good and reliable number. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:15, 14 September 2017 (UTC) 'ere, Jezza mate, me ol' china... I 'ad that Nina Huygens in the back of me interstella space cab the uvver nite. Bit of a squeeze with all them ruddy luft ballons an' all, it was! Too bad she'll be fried to a crisp when she gets pushed onto the surface of Saturn later this week. Let's 'ope that the ol' knacker's van picks 'er up, eh??
For more Daily Fail / Wackypedia treats like that one, please check @ho_liday on twitter! New followers this September receive a crudely photoshopped NSFW portrait of the family member or pet of their choosing -- FREE OF CHARGE!* --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 18:03, 15 September 2017 (UTC) (* Management reserves the right to revoke offer in case of oversubscription)
I would imagine the name of the band that recorded NSFW just about sums up your Twittish account, you great steaming lupin. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC) ...but check out my new cock ring!
  • back to Hall: I found this, good reading, but no support for single books and films. Directing every Harold Pinter piece should be in the article, but how? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Is this something for the books? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, of course, perfectly reliable. I will try and add. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Sadly, my prediction is that the immensity of the "Stage productions" section will mean that Hall will never get an appearance in ITN RD on the front page. He was just so prodigious that even a good source will not cover everything and some self-appointed policy wonk will just say "everything not sourced". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
It's all nicely arranged in his autography, which is a published source, no? and actually all others probably take it from there, including Wikipedia, or how come it looks so similar? - Alternatively, we could skip those lists until after the main page date, seriously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I admire your optimism. By all means add his autobiography wherever itfits. And then, who knows, a fair appraisal might even mean it appears tomorrow? But I've seen so many drop off list after a week that I can offer no realistic encouragement, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Without optimism, I'd probably left when my first article was deleted within minutes (or when I was labelled "battleground behavior, or when people left because I wrote "amused" in an edit summary). I do that then. Köhler is scheduled for tomorrow. - Trivia I found but did write in the article: his father was a horn player (that much I wrote) who greeted his newborn son with Siegfried's signal fanfare and named him after the very-very-hero. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
I added the chapter, only to find that the autobio has been used by at least 2 others. Too lazy to get them together. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Very glad to see you've used the updated 2000 edition and not the terribly outdated 1993 version. I'm sure they can stay separate for a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank google for offering that sooner ;) - Why don't they use harv, or at least a reflist that deserves the name, instead of refs cluttering the text, and then see by author name and date if a ref is already there?
By all means feel free to leap in, Gerda! But don't forget.... here at friendly, it's only us. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, I was wrong. It's gone stale after only four days. But thanks to TRM for reminding us that "there's no I in team" - in fact there's three. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, but it's us, and I like it. I won't touch that corner again until someone dies about whom I personally care, - Hall was borderline. - I have a program of writing (or expanding) an article a day, and right now it's some biggies in a row, so I just didn't have the extra time to dig up sources about someones private life which possibly should not be on WP to start with. Next biggie: Der Messias, Mozart version, then Duruflé's motets. Off to rehearsal, concert soon (3 October, every year). - The article IS better, and the thousands who read it even without a RD notice (45k the day it was known) will enjoy it more, I hope. - Köhler had 8k yesterday. The soprano that he engaged is on the same Main page, - coincidence? She sang for us Jauchzet!, a good program. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm just a lazy, less diligent, editor who doesn't give a damn about people while they are alive, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC) ... and engage in "Nothing useful..."
It's only you that's tried to make this personal, but if the cap fits... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I've made nothing personal. And I'm sure there are plenty of others who find ITN RD irrational and frustrating. I don't see that contributing to article improvements, and suggesting that processes could be improved, are exclusive alternatives. I also agree with all that Gerda has said and I'm sorry her contributions there have now also been unfairly labelled as "Nothing useful... " Editors don't actually have to "wear caps" of any kind. I'm genuinely surprised that you feel the need to be so relentlessly negative and combative. But I'll be pleased to find a suitable YouTube video for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Whatever, the bottom line is if you want to continue exercising your right as a season ticket holder for the peanut gallery, that's fine. Some of us try to exercise change. That you are "genuinely surprised" about anything is actually "genuinely surprising", and I'll remember that forever, or until I have my first stroke. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
A deep honour. I'm deeply touched. ITN RD as we've all come to love and admire it. Looking forward to a change. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Quite right too. Next link Russ Abbott pissing about as Spiderman, you're incredibly funny, we get it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
What, all of you? But I've always thought of you wearing your underpants on the outside of your tights. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 15 September 2017 (UTC) [21]
the owl and the pussycat

Didn't I say rejoicing was a good program? We are alive!! - I returned from rehearsal, only to find Michael Wollny needs the recordings referenced (sorry, Usernameunique, not today, not in the mood), and two prizes for a baritone needed a ref, prizes with an article. I obliged and ask forgiveness for the sarcasm in the edit summaries. I know that Hall was 50 times more worthy to be mentioned than Köhler, only we were not given 50 times the time. When I was young only contentious facts had to be referenced, even in FAs. Rejoice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

When I was young the internet wasn't invented. So we read books or listened to music. Innocent days. Not sure about 50, though. [22] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
We still sing music. - Next time when I make more than two comments in a discussion, remind me. The editor who made the greatest comment here (one that I remember) has appeared on my watchlist again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
We love irony, don't we? Köhler is on for a second day, and the next one who is likely to make it is a woman whose only reported merit is to have become enormously old. But: Halleluja! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, we do love it, even if we're less digent. Or perhaps because. Gosh, now we're using Daily Mirror as the news source? Alas, I can no longer bare to look. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Moatbury, sorry, Rothbury[edit]

Thanks for this good move here. I see no problem with it down there ... it was just giving me the screaming abdabs in the lead! Thanks and good night from an anonymous IP user of whose real identity you have no idea, we trust, (talk) 22:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

I've always thought Raoul was a lovely name. So exotic. As was Screaming Abdabs, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Good Lord. I had no idea. When I use the expression I'm basically channelling Biggles (hmmmm, and I'm slightly embarrassed to admit that now, come to think of it). I had not come across it in the context of a Wretched Young Persons' Popular Music Ensemble. You learn something, comme on dit, every day! Cheers (talk) 22:41, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd steer clear of those darned Frenchies, if I were you. We're aiming for a strong and stable encyclopedia here, if you don't mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC) p.s. don't fret, Biggles Flies Undone one of my personal faves.

Hetty Pit[edit]

Next Saturday:

I notice that you did the article. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks, Andy. Might even try to attend, my offspring's University commitments permitting! I see that John Calvert, is still a red link, alas.Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Made me laugh[edit]

Hey, thanks for your support on that article. This edit in particular made my day! SEMMENDINGER (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Ah, you'll get over it. I regard Geier as a great and original talent, one that doesn't really deserve to be on a talent show, especially one which features the musical anti-Christ. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, same, I meant your edit comment :P SEMMENDINGER (talk) 21:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I know. Glad to amuse. Mostly all I aspire to. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


Cherry crashing into primordial Earth2.png
Thank you for your impact
in aspiring to amuse,
facing recent deaths
with serenity

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC) " 'ere Gerdy, me ol' German china, I 'ad that giant cherry on the roof of me planet earth cab the uvver nite! Blimey, still got the smell of fish everywhere!!"