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Proposing deletion. This was part of a mass delete effort in 2006 for dead malls, but some of those malls were notable so the overall group vote was to keep all of the pages without looking at each individual one. This page has not changed substantively since then and still this one is not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericwg (talk • contribs) 20:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. SoWhy 16:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. SoWhy 16:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• Delete as WP:Run-of-the-mill and for failing WP:NBUILDING. The article does not cite any sources or references. While the article asserts that the subject is important, that assertion cannot be attributed to reliable sources. Coverage is routine in nature and lacking in depth, and almost all that coverage comes from the local newspaper. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
• Keep. A mall of this size, with gross leasable area of 450,000 square feet (42,000 m²) has probably generated enough coverage by reliable sources over the years to demonstrate notability. ONce notable, always notable, even if the mall is dying. It doesn't help that the local daily newspaper has a paywall (the first three articles are free), but here's another reference: https://www.gazettextra.com/news/business/bon-ton-to-close-elder-beerman-store-in-beloit/article_e9e14d8b-0bb0-5d3f-82b0-d13d54e31df8.html Janesville, WI Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:25, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• rebuttal @Eastmain: The assertion that there must be sources because the subject is big fails without significant coverage by multiple independent reliable sources. I looked for sources and you looked for sources. The references added are mostly routine in nature. The Wayback Machine archives most of the newly added references before the paywalls went up. Paywalls would not be an issue if there was a diversity of sources. The new references cover the routine presence or turnover of anchors and tenants. By the numbers: 1. Beloit Daily News, article only mentions the mall in a caption; 2. GazetteXtra, local impact as chain closes stores; 3. Beloit Daily News again, another chain closes store article. Content about the mall is comes from a manager for the mall's owner; 4. Eclipse Center, primary source; 5. Beloit Daily News again, routine grand opening covered by the local paper. Notability does not expire only if it was there to begin with. Notability claims as a building come up short. As a commercial enterprise, it's not even close to satisfying WP:CORPDEPTH. • Gene93k (talk) 06:46, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Keep There were sources added in June that makes this article notable. Plus this mall rivals the size of malls throughout the world and is notable in of its self. • CryptoWriter (talk) 02:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)