Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 November 28

November 28

Template:Wdefcon

Template:Wdefcon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This should really be an MFD and not a TFD, but so it doesn't break transclusion I'll drop this here. Times have clearly changed sine the past TFDs of the Defcon, and I can safely say that it serves no purpose other than to glorify the vandals who up the defcon level. There is no hard and fast rule as to what allows the defcon to be at a certain level and the whole thing doesn't help protect the encyclopedia in any way. Therefore, I am proposing this for deletion. This will inevitably end up on a subpage as I'm sure the discussion will outgrow this allocated space, but there is simply no use for this template. Cowman109^Talk 21:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Userfy to User:Wdefcon. Misza13 21:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  There is an account already at that username. Perhaps the defcon could be added to a subpage of whoever the first contributor was. In this case, that is User:Luigi30 if I'm not mistaken. Cowman109^Talk 22:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

  I know there is. I have created it myself a while ago anticipating this next TfD. :) Since issues raised before included concerns that template userfied to someone's subpage would lose it's feel of openness, I have created an account for this non-user, "whose" main userpage is a perfect alternative to Template: space. Misza13 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep FireSpike Editor Review! 22:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Useful for knowing how bad vandalism's gettign at a particular time. We COULD userfy it but I think it's fine as is. --Wizardman 22:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: so long as it is useful, which it is, it should not be deleted. Prodego ^talk 22:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's helpful to those of us who don't spend much time in the IRC counter-vandalism channels et al. If one jokester or small group of miscreants is responsible for upping the level number, then someone's probably misusing the template. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep legitimate template. Addhoc 22:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It has already been said many times that userfying the template will discourage its use because people are not as willing to edit things in user space that are not theirs. This template is legit and useful. --Zsinj^Talk 22:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Doesn't break WP:DENY at all, and it doesn't hurt the project, so... -- Chris is me 22:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep --AAA! ^(AAAA) 22:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• I'm strongly tempted to speedy keep this, as all the arguments here and here still apply, and the result won't change. Titoxd^(?!?) 22:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This template has some usefulness such as detecting the levels of vandalism. This is an important template becuse it can give RC patrollers a notice that vandalism are either high or low.--PrestonH 23:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - informative, and its military style gets vandal-fighters more pumped up than the vandals! --Gray Porpoise_{Your wish is my command!} 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per all of the above. Cbrown1023 23:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep President George W. Bushcarrot 23:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment this is not a vote, and no one has given an explanation for how exactly this is useful. At a glance, I cannot find an argument that supports the usefulness of this template in the older TFDs, so could someone please explain? Cowman109^Talk 23:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment this isn't a vote, however, at this juncture, it would require 22 straight delete 'non-votes' to gain a two-thirds majority. Not that all 'non-votes' are closed according to this, of course. Consequently, I would suggest this nomination should be closed or withdrawn. Finally, regarding your question, the DefCon is used in a similar manner to the category tracker at WP:BACKLOG... Addhoc 23:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Wdefcon provides a snapshot of overall vandal activity on the site that isn't immediately apparent to all patrollers. As most people view recent changes on a slowed down, page-by-page basis (rather than "as it happens"), this template gives a good picture of what people are missing. They can accordingly learn quickly what pages to watch (e.g. Special:Log/newusers, Special:Newpages, or pages that are currently undergoing extensive vandalism, such as with the Colbert debacle) when attention needs to be concentrated in specific places. Watching Wdefcon also paints a very helpful picture of what times throughout the day are the most ripe for vandalism. Aren't these good enough rationales for the template? -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 00:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep I agree with the above comments, and I think that Wdefcon is an important vandal-alert tool Tyson Moore es 00:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, this is the best tool for me when determining when to fight vandalism. It works since anyone can edit it and display their ideas.__Seadog ^♪ 00:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Not useful? I use it. I don't usually do vandalism patrol (I'm too slow), but I keep an eye on the level, and when it gets up to level 3 I might wade in, and when if gets up to the next level I often drop what I'm doing and go over to patrol. I'm certain I'm not the only one. Herostratus 01:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Alerts me about current vandalism--Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 01:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - I'm not on IRC. I rely on this to see if I should fire up VP on recent changes and help with the workload. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Supercalifregilisticexplialidocious keep. ~~•Sean•gorter• ^{Get a signature!} 04:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Honestly, agreeing with User:Kathryn NicDhàna, even I find this useful, as it indicates what type of vandalism activity to expect when I start up VP.-- danntm ^T _C 04:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep very useful for communicating vandalism levels to the wider community. Viridae^Talk 06:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I refer to it all the time when reverting vandalism, and it helps notify me when more eyes are needed for counter-vandalism work. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 06:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. While I recognize that the template can be misleading at times, it gives a helpful insight into the level and type of vandalism, thus helping vandal fighters to counter it. - SpLoT _{(*T* C+u+g+v)} 07:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep An important guide for vandal fighters. Jam01 08:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)