Talk:TVXQ

Regarding Tone

I've noticed that every so often when I view this article, it contains some statements that are rather biased, use weasel words, sound like advertisements, etc. Therefore, I would appreciate it if we could keep this NPOV. Additionally, is it necessary to include the member profiles? Those in general don't seem very reliable or verifiable and detract from the overall tone that Wikipedia's articles are supposed to have. Thanks! --Michelleyy 02:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Word. This page is MESSY, although I'm assuming that this page was written by non-native English speakers. If they ARE English speakers...woah. But most Korean pop articles are like this; look at H.O.T.. SKS2K6 03:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Title

Why is it under TVXQ? Is that their official name? SKS2K6 07:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

That's what i was thinking.. I thought it was dong bang shin ki.. mirageinred 17:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the official site address is tvxq.com, and that's the best information we have. It doesn't blatantly state its official name. mirageinred 17:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Their official name is 東方神起, and the romanization would be Tong Vfang Xien Qi: TVXQ. It's strange that they use a chinese name though they are a korean band.. but in korea they use Dong Bang Shin Ki xD TLflow 20:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

They have different names for different countries. TVXQ is their official name for most English-speaking countries. Since this is the English Wiki, TVXQ would be most appropriate to put it under. East.sea 00:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

TVXQ is their official international name. For all I know, Korea rarely uses the romanization and instead chooses to use the official characters/Korean characters. The idea behind the Chinese characters is that SM ENT intended for the band's fame to spread to all of Asia and so the company chose to use the Chinese characters since China is the largest country in Asia. Gloriouskies 23:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

lol, which makes it all the more silly, considering the proper pinyin acronym would be DFSQ. even if it weren't in pinyin and instead in another romanization system, (even for a non-mandarin dialect), the "X" and "Q" are distinctively pinyin-only. few other romanization schemes for east asian languages use those letters to represent initial consonants.71.232.100.151 19:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

oh, and "V" doesn't exist at all in pinyin.

From what I know, their name is written in hanja so that when they traveled to certain other countries in Asia, their name would mean the same. Oncamera 03:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that's true too cause it can apply to Hanja and Kanji at the same time. But then again - Kanji doesn't always have the same meaning as the original Chinese characters so same meaning idea might not hold true. Gloriouskies 03:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Dong Bang Shin Ki, Tong Vfang Xien Qi,or DBSG, it really dosen't matter because all these names belong to the group. The only difference is that these names for DBSK are from all over the world.

Not NPOV

The heading's pretty self-explanatory, I think. mirageinred 05:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Are they really an a capella group?

My understanding is that they were just marketed that way. They're really a just boy band who does pop/bubblegum music. mirageinred 22:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeees, they're acapella and they're really, really good at this. So beautiful!!! (Yuko)

but how many of their songs really have serious acapella in them? Just wondering. It just seems like they were marketed that way. mirageinred 00:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

They are just marketed that way. However, their Christmas album was mostly acapella, so.... I'd leave it as is for now, in terms of what to call them. Just because they suck at it doesn't mean that they can't believe that they are. Just kidding.... :P SKS2K6 05:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Not only that but most of their albums and singles include at least a few acapella tracks. (Maira)

Vacation OST

Thanks for whoever updated on their drama series. But is anyone going to add Vacation OST to their albums? It would belong under 'other' right? I mean it is a Korean album but I think it would go under other since it's an OST. I would but I don't know how to. (Maira)

_Edit. Forget it. I used common sense and finally figured it out. I hope the picture isn't too big. xD

Citation Needed

I know that some members are of Christian faith (like YunHo), but I'm not sure that they all are. Does anyone have a citation for that? (Maira)

I noticed that someone added stuff that argues that all five members are Christians without source. What's wrong with being Buddhist or atheist (being an atheist myself), and why should their religon matter so much anyways? Keep that for discussion, 154.5.164.152, and let's look for reliable sources. mirageinred 22:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh no! I didn't mean for it to sound as if I added that. I just read it so I was wondering if the person who did add it had a reliable source available. I think YunHo is Christian, but I thought that the majority were Buddhist. I'm not Christian myself I'm a Muslim. (Maira)

Hey, I know you didn't add that, but their religion keeps on changing back and forth, especially on Hero and Max's profile. mirageinred 19:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Should religion be deleted until there's a reliable resource? A possible edit war might start. mirageinred 22:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm smelling another edit war over religion... mirageinred 00:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I've heard Max say that he's Buddhist in many talk shows ans radio segments... U-know is a known Christian and so are Micky and Xiah. Jaejoong keeps flipping between Buddhist/Atheist/Christian. Honestly, isn't it better to put int "Unknown" or something for what we're not sure of?

If it's unknown, then there's no point in putting religion in first place. mirageinred 00:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

hobbies are deleted.

for now. I thought they were unencylopedic and seemed more like a trivia. If anyone thinks otherwise, he/she can add it back, I guess. mirageinred 14:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Do the members deserve an individual page?

the pre-fame section is clogged up with their individual history and how they got to join TVXQ. Do they need a new page? Not that I know much about them. mirageinred 14:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I think they deserve seperate pages. It would give others a more in-depth background on the members as individuals. -Maira

Hmmm.. I think if you're going to continue to contribute here, you should make a new account. And I honestly don't know much about them at all. I'm going to need more than myself to start a new page.. so wanna help? mirageinred 05:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if they deserve individual pages or not. Although they are individually more popular than the members of Super Junior, SJ needed it because they're so big. As for TVXQ...what have they done as individuals so far? SKS2K6 06:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm.... mirageinred 06:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

1st Live Concert Album

I noticed it wasn't on there for some reason. I added it, hope no one minds!

Cool. Thank you. I don't know why it wasn't there either. mirageinred 01:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Current News?

I added a current news section just to inform others of what the group is doing recently. I'll up-date it whenever there's new news and delete those that have gotten old. But what should it be titled? When I created the section, someone changed the title, so I changed it to something simpler than both previous ones.

-Off topic- September 20th marked 1000 days since debut for TVXQ ^0^ Also, the cover & tracklisting for their 3rd Korean album was released today; the album will consist of a DVD and poster as well. I can't wait!

That's great, but please keep it NPOV. mirageinred 19:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I realize that you're new, but this is not the place to advertise where people can buy their albums. If you want to stay, it's a lot easier to make your own account, btw. mirageinred 01:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't aware; I won't advertise again. Actually I have one, but I don't know how to sign my name with it.. (embarassing >.<). I'm going to up-date the title & discography since it was officially released (including the tracklisting)! (sorry I must sound insane, it's just that I'm a huge fan)

Hey, it's cool. Just sign with four tildes like this: ~~~~. mirageinred 19:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! :) I made my first page for Zhang Li Yin (Jang Ri In) yesterday, but my computer crashed so I wasn't able to add citation for anything. =/ But thanks again! I'll try to help with the individual member pages when my computer's back up. Sinbihaeyo 22:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting citations..

This especially applies to the pre-fame section. Where is the information coming from? The official website certainly doesn't provide this information. I think this problem lies in the fact that most information come from unofficial online fan cafes or forums which require registration, but there must be one accesible source. mirageinred 03:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Regarding TVXQ Discography

Regarding TVXQ Discography, TVXQ already released more than 20 albums. So i had created a new page for TVXQ Discography, so that the TVXQ page will looks more tidy.

-Thank you!!

Uh... Is this Sinbihayeo? Sure seems like it. Well nice job=) mirageinred 23:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Profile Pictures

I changed the profile pictures. I thought the last pictures didn't show enough.Yukare129 17:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure who changed the profile pictures (again) but thank you; I think that the pictures should show what they look like now (most recently) instead of older ones.

Note to whoever uploaded the pics: they'll be deleted without a full copyright tag. SKS2K6 03:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I know one of the policies of wikipedia is not to bite newcomers but you must tag them accordingly, explain the sources of the picture and why it qualifies for fair use. Or as SK said they are going to be gone in no time. mirageinred 13:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for changing the profile pics and the group pic! the last pics were really old.. TLflow 21:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Since a lot of the editing deals with things like weight...I say we remove them. The weight of a person is trivial, and it changes frequently, so specific numbers are pointless. SKS2K6 06:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. I think blood type should be removed too despite what many k-pop enthusiasts like to think.. mirageinred 18:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

woot woot

finally there are some sources... for a page this big, we probably need 10-15 more? mirageinred 00:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

What the hell does this mean?

The woman, whose surname is Ko, left a note that stated that everytime TVXQ came on, viewers changed the channel right next to the drink which was there when he was filming a variety show. She said that she did not suspect that anyone would drink it so she was not permanently charged because they did not think it was homicide. It sounds like awkward translation from a Korean news article or something. I wish I could see the original. mirageinred 14:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There's a part that's been removed. She states something along the lines of 'whenever they appear on the screen people change the channel', and only little kids like them. I actually have a picture of the original letter as well as the drink (screencaps from KBS News) I'll send it to you on your user page. I'm going to try to type up the letter..

너 입조심 해라!! 데뷔때부터 건방지머니 ㅗㅗ 너네 몇번 물갔다 노래도 그지같고 맨날 삑사리에 춤도 다른 가수들 보다 잘 추지도 않으면서 잘란 척은 왜 그렇게 심한지 쯧.. 너네 한계가 먼줄아냐? 꼬맹이들만 너네 좋아한다는 거다! <모자이크된부분>나오면 채널 돌려 버리는 사람들이 얼마나 많은 줄 알어? 시청률도 가관이더라 ㅋㅋ 영원토록 대중 가수가 아니라 아이들 연예인으로 밖에 안보일거다 너 진짜 죽여버리고 싶다.

Sinbihaeyo 02:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

A couple typos in your writing but I can understand. Thank you. I cited the letter in the article. Really clarifies a lot. mirageinred 22:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Vacation...?

How can there be four stories total, one for each member, when there are 5 of them? Was one missing at the moment? Was it during Hero's injury?SKS2K6 21:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps U-know? mirageinred 21:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know...but this (VACATION consisted of four episodes (including a special) which were broadcasted at Yonsei University on July 7 to August 8, 2006. Each episode portrayed four different stories for each individual DBSK member. For this drama, the band recorded an original soundtrack which consisted of two tracks (and their instrumental versions).) should be corrected. :P SKS2K6 21:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And I can't because I didn't watch the drama.... SKS2K6 21:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yea.. I'm not too much of a TVXQ enthusiast either... mirageinred 22:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

There was one episode that had two of the members (Changmin and Junsu) stories told, so there were only four episodes and four stories because they shared the same one.Oncamera 17:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That's good. But what's this about Yonsei University? Was it only played there? Was it filmed there? Because right now, it just seems like they only played it there and not on national TV. This has to be clarified. SKS2K6 23:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

It was filmed throughout S. Korea and shown only in theatres at Yonsei university (so it wasn't shown on national TV)--in S. Korea, a theatrical TV Drama isn't shown on television, per se. It's like an upgraded TV drama, with better camera and sound quality so they need an actual theatre to show it. Vacation is planned to be released on DVD sometime in the future for people who were not able to see it in theatres (no cameras or cell phones were allowed in, so you won't see bootlegs on the internet besides the official previews released by SM or written summaries by fans who attended). Oncamera 01:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Vacation will be out on DVD with 'O'-正.反.合 Version D (Disk 2). Tower Records Japan states a Nov 15th release, whereas Yesasia states a Nov 10th release. But Yesasia only has the product, not the details yet. I'm not sure about Korea though. Sinbihaeyo 22:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Cleanup Tag

Since this probably needs to be discussed in order to be cleaned up, what parts of this article should one edit to be cleaned up? Is it filled with useless or unremarkable information? Or NPOVed? Too long?... Oncamera 12:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Here are some of the problems I see.

• informal tone here and there
• absence of sources (at least 20 recommended but thats just my opinion)
• disproportionate section on their popularity. yet nothing describes their music
• no section on criticism despite the number of critics in korea mirageinred 21:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, it's not too long. We're good for now unless it becomes as long as BoA. mirageinred 21:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, with sources about old information, I think it's a bit hard trying to find websites with archives that far back. The absence of information about their music -- you're right -- how should the article be set up to include that information? For the critics, I don't know how many native Korean speakers contribute to the English article, but if one can find the articles to provide information, then that should be started/included. Oncamera 17:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm a native speaker. I just haven't gone to Korea in six years. mirageinred 20:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I took off the cleanup tag, as it's really not necessary. It's more about getting rid of the "fan" language and adding in references (which is why both of those tags are still up there). SKS2K6 07:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Cyanoacrylate drink incident

I put this back, because someone removed this. It is a notable incident, and I do not see why this should be deleted. Explanation Xo01Emmie10ox? mirageinred 21:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Related: Why was the letter[s] (translation) deleted? Sinbihaeyo 22:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow I didn't even notice that. The threat letter is a key part of the incident. I don't see why it had to be deleted. Is it because her surname was mentioned? As long as it is released to the public, there is no reason to exclude her name. I looked at page history, but I still can't find who did. mirageinred 01:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Same here. I didn't notice about the letter either until someone e-mailed me and asked where they could find the translation for the letter; while I was linking to the page I realized it wasn't on the page -___- Sinbihaeyo 22:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

positions.

I just wanna say the position claims should be modified.

Hero: Baritenor, lead vocalist. U-know: Baritone, rapper, leader. Micky: Baritone, rapper. Xiah: Baritenor. Max: Tenor.

Although the article claims U-know and Micky are basses, there technically are no bass vocalists in TVXQ.

Any opinions or confirmations are appreciated. Aznality 05:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I prefer it as it were before, with possibly U-KNOW being changed to baritone:

• Hero: Main Vocal
• U-KNOW: Bass, Leader
• Micky: bass-baritone
• Xiah: baritenor
• Max: tenor

Oncamera 12:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

^That sounds better than the current information provided at least. Is the person in charge of this section going to revert the info? I'm personally not satisfied with the 'high vocal' or 'middle high vocal' descriptions. Those are not proper vocal classifications, and they should be categorised accordingly. Aznality 21:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I changed it, then, to these positions. If someone thinks it should be listed differently, have them comment here with their reasoning. Oncamera 22:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

It's better than nothing, although I have a grievance against the existence of positions mostly because they don't follow them in the songs. They just switch similar parts. SKS2K6 22:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Since they're sometimes an a Capella group, I think there needs to be something said about what roles their vocals have for the most part. Oncamera 03:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It's true they switch parts or sing at different keys from time to time. But their vocal ranges does not change. That's why their classifications determines their vocal type. Aznality 15:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone insist on putting Max as "Baritone" and especially "Tenor"? His voice is the highest of the group, and is always given the high notes when assigned parts. You couldn't even call his singing voice "low", anyway. -Cassidy

Hmm, Junsu seems to have the highest voice; even his speaking voice is higher than the other members. edit; so yeah, since he has the higher parts usually, I changed his position back to tenor. Tenor is higher than Baritone in vocal ranges, and I wouldn't consider any of the members alto or soprano. Oncamera 08:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Images

As Wikipedia is more and more enforcing free (as opposed to copyrighted fair use) images, is anyone willing to take screencaps? :P Or even better, actual photographs?SKS2K6 08:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I can take screencaps (I'm not sure what you mean about actual photographs :/) Of every member individually, or the whole group? Do you have a specific time/interview/performance in mind? (Sorry if this sounds confusing, I'm very tired >.<) Sinbihaeyo 22:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, with Wiki policy, promotional shots are not good for articles. In a majority of articles, they're used, but they're slowly being deleted away. In their policy, it says that a picture merely showing someone's appearance is not good enough. So, for celebrity articles, personal candids are the pictures of choice, because they do not belong to a company...which is why I ask for them here. SKS2K6 22:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Changed the profile pics. These are pretty candid. I couldn't find a pic for each of them at the same ... concert? though i wanted to make it consistent. Yunho's is the most recent. Yukare129 01:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents?

Is it just me or is there no content box? (I'm not sure what it's referred as) Sinbihaeyo 22:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I took it out cuz it was getting messy :P if you want it back, just look for the and delete it. SKS2K6 17:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Host protectiveness

It is somewhat trivial, but I think it's important because it demonstrates the hugeness, and the protectiveness, of their fanbase. Game shows and talk shows are giving them preferential treatment that is not given to anyone else. They are allowed to avoid punishment, sit out on games, and are able to avoid questions simply because they're TVXQ. Other celebrities are afriad to harm TVXQ or embarrass them in anyway because they know that they'll be crucified by the netizens. SKS2K6 23:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, add it back. I guess the fact illustrates the group's popularity among teenage girls in Korea. mirageinred 00:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Please cite!

Majority of anonymous users probably won't read this, but when adding upcoming events (i.e. custody battle over Hero and such), it must be accompanied by a reliable source! I can't go to Daum each time I see something that has no source! mirageinred 00:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Solo work

You guys did well in adding things, but I know Micky has a song written called Yuh-Oo-Bi (여우비) I'm pretty sure he composed it AND wrote the lyrics.

He did, I'm sure, and it was on their 1st Live Concert Album. Also, Xiah composed and wrote the lyrics to "네 곁에 숨쉴 수 있다면 (White Lie)" that was included on C & D versions of "O"-正.反.合. Oncamera 02:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yea, I should have mentioned that as well. On the 1st Live Concert Album there's also a song by Jaejoong (영웅개인기) 발걸음. I think it's him just singing Hannahlove 10:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Where is your source? mirageinred 20:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If someone owned the live concert album, I'm sure it would be in the album notes; but I do not, so I can't list a source. Although, with Xiah's song, it's stated on their official site (the balloons version) that he wrote and composed "White Lies". Oncamera 21:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have the live version album as well as Micky's piano score of the song. The title on the CD track listing is (믹키개인기) 여우비(Like weather...) by Micky. These are the other two on the live CD(영웅개인기) 발걸음 by Youngwoong and (시야개인기)All Rise by Xiah. I just noticed Xiah's song, I just started listening to this album. Is that ok for a source? Hannahlove 1:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Rising Sun Chinese Version?

It isn't in the Discography topic. Check the discussion topic there for more info. Ytlow 12:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

To whoever changed the pictures

Don't be surprised if they're deleted eventually, because they're certainly not free use. They have a watermark. But then, it's not like the pics before were free either.... I'm just wondering if there was a reason for the image change. SKS2K6 01:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)