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Joint Franco-Dutch investigation

Article currently states that UK began efforts to infiltrate Encrochat, then France and the Netherlands joined later. That's actually the reverse: France began investigating EncroChat in 2017, then opened a case against the Netherlands at Eurojust in 2019. The joint task force was then set up and the network infiltrated. UK was not involved in the JIT or infiltration, it was a recipient of intelligence gathered by the JIT. See: "DISMANTLING OF AN ENCRYPTED NETWORK SENDS SHOCKWAVES THROUGH ORGANISED CRIME GROUPS ACROSS EUROPE". Europol. 2 July 2020. Retrieved 3 July 2020. Neil S. Walker (talk) 08:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your source does not back that up and others clearly say information to the contrary. Why is a JIT necessarily to participate in a multi-national investigation? Especially when the advising agency's role is initially technical or intelligence oriented in nature - as is what is said by the National Crime Agency? Please provide the sources that falsify that information and be clear when describing such limitations. Mjsa (talk) 09:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misread source

Article asserts that UK launched Operation Venetic in 2016; however France began the investigation in 2017 (see source in section above). Op Venetic was launched in 2020. The silicon.co.uk source has been misread; it states "Two months ago this collaboration resulted in partners in France and the Netherlands infiltrating the platform. The data harvested was shared via Europol. Unbeknown to users the NCA and the police have been monitoring their every move since then under Operation Venetic – the UK law enforcement response " Op Venetic was a response to the shared intel. The NCA also gild the lily somewhat by inferring they infiltrated the network, but they actually say they "created the technology and specialist data exploitation capabilities required to process" the intel passed to them by the Franco-Dutch JIT. It's fancy language, but might be nothing more than a searchable database. Neil S. Walker (talk) 08:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Article currently states that UK began efforts to infiltrate Encrochat, then France and the Netherlands  joined later. That's actually the reverse: France began investigating EncroChat in 2017, then opened a case against the Netherlands at [[Eurojust]] in 2019. The joint task force was then set up and the network infiltrated. UK was not involved in the JIT or infiltration, it was a ''recipient'' of intelligence gathered by the JIT. See: {{cite news|title=DISMANTLING OF AN ENCRYPTED NETWORK SENDS SHOCKWAVES THROUGH ORGANISED CRIME GROUPS ACROSS EUROPE|work=[[Europol]]|date=2 July 2020|accessdate=3 July 2020|url=https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/dismantling-of-encrypted-network-sends-shockwaves-through-organised-crime-groups-across-europe}} [[User:Neil S Walker|Neil S. Walker]] ([[User talk:Neil S Walker|talk]]) 08:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-Your source does not back that up and others clearly say information to the contrary. Why is a JIT necessarily to participate in a multi-national investigation? Especially when the advising agency's role is initially technical or intelligence oriented in nature - as is what is said by the National Crime Agency? Please provide the sources that falsify that information and be clear when describing such limitations.
+Your source does not back that up and others clearly say information to the contrary. Why is a JIT necessarily to participate in a multi-national investigation? Especially when the advising agency's role is initially technical or intelligence oriented in nature - as is what is said by the National Crime Agency? Please provide the sources that falsify that information and be clear when describing such limitations. [[User:Mjsa|Mjsa]] ([[User talk:Mjsa|talk]]) 09:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 == Misread source ==