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::livertox.gov is a clearinghouse database for reference, much like a drug reference book. It's like not allowing PDR information because there is not current research on aspirin. There's also a difference between asking for better sources that are likely available because someone is referencing legitimate medical information and taking the information down entirely because of your pique. If you would go to pubmed, the green tea page is listed as updated 2018. Green Tea. In: LiverTox: <ref>Clinical and Research Information on Drug-Induced Liver Injury. Bethesda (MD): National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases; 2012.</ref> <ref>Oketch-Rabah HA, Roe AL, Rider CV, et al. United States Pharmacopeia (USP) comprehensive review of the hepatotoxicity of green tea extracts. Toxicol Rep. 2020;7:386-402. Published 2020 Feb 15. doi:10.1016/j.toxrep.2020.02.008</ref>This one is with plain green tea. <ref>D'Agostinoa D, Cavalieri ML, Arcucci MS. Hepatitis grave producida por intoxicación con té verde en un niño. Presentación de un caso [Severe hepatitis caused by green tea intoxication in a child. Case report]. Arch Argent Pediatr. 2019;117(6):e655-e658. doi:10.5546/aap.2019.e655</ref> This one is black tea, but there would be little way to know if there was green tea contamination. <ref>Hadjipanayis A, Efstathiou E, Papaevangelou V. Hepatotoxicity in an Adolescent with Black Iced Tea Overconsumption. Pediatr Gastroenterol Hepatol Nutr. 2019;22(4):387-391. doi:10.5223/pghn.2019.22.4.387</ref> <ref>Surapaneni BK, Le M, Jakobovits J, Vinayek R, Dutta S. A Case of Acute Severe Hepatotoxicity and Mild Constriction of Common Bile Duct Associated With Ingestion of Green Tea Extract: A Clinical Challenge. Clin Med Insights Gastroenterol. 2018;11:1179552218779970. Published 2018 Jun 5. doi:10.1177/1179552218779970</ref> <ref>Abby Philips C, Augustine P. Herbal tea consumption and the liver - All is not what it seems!. J Hepatol. 2018;68(3):612-613. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2017.08.037</ref> <ref>Benesic A, Gerbes AL. Herbal tea and liver injury - Tea extract or comedication can make a difference. J Hepatol. 2018;69(2):547-548. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2018.03.033</ref> <ref>EFSA Panel on Food Additives and Nutrient Sources added to Food (ANS), Younes M, Aggett P, et al. Scientific opinion on the safety of green tea catechins. EFSA J. 2018;16(4):e05239. Published 2018 Apr 18. doi:10.2903/j.efsa.2018.5239</ref> <ref>Navarro VJ, Khan I, Björnsson E, Seeff LB, Serrano J, Hoofnagle JH. Liver injury from herbal and dietary supplements. Hepatology. 2017;65(1):363-373. doi:10.1002/hep.28813</ref><ref>Lugg ST, Braganza Menezes D, Gompertz S. Chinese green tea and acute hepatitis: a rare yet recurring theme. BMJ Case Rep. 2015;2015:bcr2014208534. Published 2015 Sep 23. doi:10.1136/bcr-2014-208534</ref><ref>Mazzanti G, Di Sotto A, Vitalone A. Hepatotoxicity of green tea: an update. Arch Toxicol. 2015;89(8):1175-1191. doi:10.1007/s00204-015-1521-x</ref>
::livertox.gov is a clearinghouse database for reference, much like a drug reference book. It's like not allowing PDR information because there is not current research on aspirin. There's also a difference between asking for better sources that are likely available because someone is referencing legitimate medical information and taking the information down entirely because of your pique. If you would go to pubmed, the green tea page is listed as updated 2018. Green Tea. In: LiverTox: <ref>Clinical and Research Information on Drug-Induced Liver Injury. Bethesda (MD): National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases; 2012.</ref> <ref>Oketch-Rabah HA, Roe AL, Rider CV, et al. United States Pharmacopeia (USP) comprehensive review of the hepatotoxicity of green tea extracts. Toxicol Rep. 2020;7:386-402. Published 2020 Feb 15. doi:10.1016/j.toxrep.2020.02.008</ref>This one is with plain green tea. <ref>D'Agostinoa D, Cavalieri ML, Arcucci MS. Hepatitis grave producida por intoxicación con té verde en un niño. Presentación de un caso [Severe hepatitis caused by green tea intoxication in a child. Case report]. Arch Argent Pediatr. 2019;117(6):e655-e658. doi:10.5546/aap.2019.e655</ref> This one is black tea, but there would be little way to know if there was green tea contamination. <ref>Hadjipanayis A, Efstathiou E, Papaevangelou V. Hepatotoxicity in an Adolescent with Black Iced Tea Overconsumption. Pediatr Gastroenterol Hepatol Nutr. 2019;22(4):387-391. doi:10.5223/pghn.2019.22.4.387</ref> <ref>Surapaneni BK, Le M, Jakobovits J, Vinayek R, Dutta S. A Case of Acute Severe Hepatotoxicity and Mild Constriction of Common Bile Duct Associated With Ingestion of Green Tea Extract: A Clinical Challenge. Clin Med Insights Gastroenterol. 2018;11:1179552218779970. Published 2018 Jun 5. doi:10.1177/1179552218779970</ref> <ref>Abby Philips C, Augustine P. Herbal tea consumption and the liver - All is not what it seems!. J Hepatol. 2018;68(3):612-613. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2017.08.037</ref> <ref>Benesic A, Gerbes AL. Herbal tea and liver injury - Tea extract or comedication can make a difference. J Hepatol. 2018;69(2):547-548. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2018.03.033</ref> <ref>EFSA Panel on Food Additives and Nutrient Sources added to Food (ANS), Younes M, Aggett P, et al. Scientific opinion on the safety of green tea catechins. EFSA J. 2018;16(4):e05239. Published 2018 Apr 18. doi:10.2903/j.efsa.2018.5239</ref> <ref>Navarro VJ, Khan I, Björnsson E, Seeff LB, Serrano J, Hoofnagle JH. Liver injury from herbal and dietary supplements. Hepatology. 2017;65(1):363-373. doi:10.1002/hep.28813</ref><ref>Lugg ST, Braganza Menezes D, Gompertz S. Chinese green tea and acute hepatitis: a rare yet recurring theme. BMJ Case Rep. 2015;2015:bcr2014208534. Published 2015 Sep 23. doi:10.1136/bcr-2014-208534</ref><ref>Mazzanti G, Di Sotto A, Vitalone A. Hepatotoxicity of green tea: an update. Arch Toxicol. 2015;89(8):1175-1191. doi:10.1007/s00204-015-1521-x</ref>


It is appropriate for tea health effects because it can happen from consumption, especially with teas that are supplemented, as well as other things that are labeled to include "green tea". It is not off-topic in the least. It is a risk, albeit rare. And the "medical advice" which is: don't re-expose if negative reaction prior is a pretty far stretch to have an issue with it. In some ways it functions like an allergy, and it is common knowledge that continued reexposure has the potential to amplify negative effects. That could be changed wording if that would make you happy, but it is not grounds for removing the information whole cloth.
::It is appropriate for tea health effects because it can happen from consumption, especially with teas that are supplemented, as well as other things that are labeled to include "green tea". It is not off-topic in the least. It is a risk, albeit rare. And the "medical advice" which is: don't re-expose if negative reaction prior is a pretty far stretch to have an issue with it. In some ways it functions like an allergy, and it is common knowledge that continued reexposure has the potential to amplify negative effects. That could be changed wording if that would make you happy, but it is not grounds for removing the information whole cloth.


Those who have an idiosyncratic drug reaction to green tea extract are told to never expose themselves to green tea in any form ever again. That means checking cosmetics, gum, textiles, soaps, shampoos, flavored water, and really almost everything. It is not a dose dependent reaction. Prior to my liver failure, I had never been exposed to green tea period, so there's no way to know whether I would have reacted to plain green tea or not. I'm not going to ever re-challenge myself because again, I was days from death the first time.
::Those who have an idiosyncratic drug reaction to green tea extract are told to never expose themselves to green tea in any form ever again. That means checking cosmetics, gum, textiles, soaps, shampoos, flavored water, and really almost everything. It is not a dose dependent reaction. Prior to my liver failure, I had never been exposed to green tea period, so there's no way to know whether I would have reacted to plain green tea or not. I'm not going to ever re-challenge myself because again, I was days from death the first time.


The health effects of tea is not labeled to be solely a "benefits" listing, or "frequently occurring" listing, but the health effects. Is green tea extract composed of tea? Yes. It is. Does it very rarely cause severe life-threatening reactions? Yes. It does. You seem to be making a value judgement about it being a potential negative.
::The health effects of tea is not labeled to be solely a "benefits" listing, or "frequently occurring" listing, but the health effects. Is green tea extract composed of tea? Yes. It is. Does it very rarely cause severe life-threatening reactions? Yes. It does. You seem to be making a value judgement about it being a potential negative.


And finally, while it would be appropriate to include it in catechin research, it is also a substance composed entirely of tea so it is completely appropriate to also be present in discussions of tea. --[[User:Sapphiremind|Sapphiremind]] ([[User talk:Sapphiremind#top|talk]]) 07:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
::And finally, while it would be appropriate to include it in catechin research, it is also a substance composed entirely of tea so it is completely appropriate to also be present in discussions of tea. --[[User:Sapphiremind|Sapphiremind]] ([[User talk:Sapphiremind#top|talk]]) 07:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

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Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Health effects of tea, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Find better reputable sources for your content. The section you're trying to add is a dead-end. There are no WP:MEDRS reviews to indicate any health (or even harm) effects of consuming normal amounts of green tea. Zefr (talk) 18:51, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The LiverTox article and its sources are mostly outdated (WP:MEDDATE, within 5 years) and are more about GTE than the 'health effects of tea'. Reversion of your edit here was warranted because the information is off topic for tea and health content, poorly sourced for tea itself (mostly about GTE-catechin weight loss supplements), and uses WP:SYNTH to present an unwarranted conclusion for the encyclopedia. It also gave medical advice, which is discouraged, WP:NOTADVICE. A trimmed version and the LiverTox source may be useful for the Catechin-Research section. Zefr (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
livertox.gov is a clearinghouse database for reference, much like a drug reference book. It's like not allowing PDR information because there is not current research on aspirin. There's also a difference between asking for better sources that are likely available because someone is referencing legitimate medical information and taking the information down entirely because of your pique. If you would go to pubmed, the green tea page is listed as updated 2018. Green Tea. In: LiverTox: [1] [2]This one is with plain green tea. [3] This one is black tea, but there would be little way to know if there was green tea contamination. [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9][10][11]
It is appropriate for tea health effects because it can happen from consumption, especially with teas that are supplemented, as well as other things that are labeled to include "green tea". It is not off-topic in the least. It is a risk, albeit rare. And the "medical advice" which is: don't re-expose if negative reaction prior is a pretty far stretch to have an issue with it. In some ways it functions like an allergy, and it is common knowledge that continued reexposure has the potential to amplify negative effects. That could be changed wording if that would make you happy, but it is not grounds for removing the information whole cloth.
Those who have an idiosyncratic drug reaction to green tea extract are told to never expose themselves to green tea in any form ever again. That means checking cosmetics, gum, textiles, soaps, shampoos, flavored water, and really almost everything. It is not a dose dependent reaction. Prior to my liver failure, I had never been exposed to green tea period, so there's no way to know whether I would have reacted to plain green tea or not. I'm not going to ever re-challenge myself because again, I was days from death the first time.
The health effects of tea is not labeled to be solely a "benefits" listing, or "frequently occurring" listing, but the health effects. Is green tea extract composed of tea? Yes. It is. Does it very rarely cause severe life-threatening reactions? Yes. It does. You seem to be making a value judgement about it being a potential negative.
And finally, while it would be appropriate to include it in catechin research, it is also a substance composed entirely of tea so it is completely appropriate to also be present in discussions of tea. --Sapphiremind (talk) 07:43, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Clinical and Research Information on Drug-Induced Liver Injury. Bethesda (MD): National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases; 2012.
  2. ^ Oketch-Rabah HA, Roe AL, Rider CV, et al. United States Pharmacopeia (USP) comprehensive review of the hepatotoxicity of green tea extracts. Toxicol Rep. 2020;7:386-402. Published 2020 Feb 15. doi:10.1016/j.toxrep.2020.02.008
  3. ^ D'Agostinoa D, Cavalieri ML, Arcucci MS. Hepatitis grave producida por intoxicación con té verde en un niño. Presentación de un caso [Severe hepatitis caused by green tea intoxication in a child. Case report]. Arch Argent Pediatr. 2019;117(6):e655-e658. doi:10.5546/aap.2019.e655
  4. ^ Hadjipanayis A, Efstathiou E, Papaevangelou V. Hepatotoxicity in an Adolescent with Black Iced Tea Overconsumption. Pediatr Gastroenterol Hepatol Nutr. 2019;22(4):387-391. doi:10.5223/pghn.2019.22.4.387
  5. ^ Surapaneni BK, Le M, Jakobovits J, Vinayek R, Dutta S. A Case of Acute Severe Hepatotoxicity and Mild Constriction of Common Bile Duct Associated With Ingestion of Green Tea Extract: A Clinical Challenge. Clin Med Insights Gastroenterol. 2018;11:1179552218779970. Published 2018 Jun 5. doi:10.1177/1179552218779970
  6. ^ Abby Philips C, Augustine P. Herbal tea consumption and the liver - All is not what it seems!. J Hepatol. 2018;68(3):612-613. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2017.08.037
  7. ^ Benesic A, Gerbes AL. Herbal tea and liver injury - Tea extract or comedication can make a difference. J Hepatol. 2018;69(2):547-548. doi:10.1016/j.jhep.2018.03.033
  8. ^ EFSA Panel on Food Additives and Nutrient Sources added to Food (ANS), Younes M, Aggett P, et al. Scientific opinion on the safety of green tea catechins. EFSA J. 2018;16(4):e05239. Published 2018 Apr 18. doi:10.2903/j.efsa.2018.5239
  9. ^ Navarro VJ, Khan I, Björnsson E, Seeff LB, Serrano J, Hoofnagle JH. Liver injury from herbal and dietary supplements. Hepatology. 2017;65(1):363-373. doi:10.1002/hep.28813
  10. ^ Lugg ST, Braganza Menezes D, Gompertz S. Chinese green tea and acute hepatitis: a rare yet recurring theme. BMJ Case Rep. 2015;2015:bcr2014208534. Published 2015 Sep 23. doi:10.1136/bcr-2014-208534
  11. ^ Mazzanti G, Di Sotto A, Vitalone A. Hepatotoxicity of green tea: an update. Arch Toxicol. 2015;89(8):1175-1191. doi:10.1007/s00204-015-1521-x
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