User talk:Wikiman122112

Welcome

Hello, Wikiman122112, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Wikipedia Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} and your question on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

• The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
• Contributing to Wikipedia
• How to edit a page
• Editing tutorial
• Picture tutorial
• How to write a great article
• Naming conventions
• Simplified Manual of Style
• Discover what's going on in the Wikimedia community - subscribe to The Signpost, our illustrated monthly newspaper, and have it delivered directly to your talk page.

We hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Woody (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

mma weights

hi. Thanks for your contributions. Please be aware that info must be sourced. Unless otherwise stated and discussed, consensus among editors is that the info should be in accordance with Sherdog. Thanks! NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

All is good now and The edit is sourced— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry you don't appear to understand. You are changing sourced info. Please read WP:VERIFY. NEDOCHAN (talk) 07:54, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Just Changing a sourced info with a better more relevant source . NEDOCHAN The ufc is more reliable than Sherdog . Stop changing and reverting edits , thank you .

Sherdog is agreed as the primary reliable source. At the moment you're simply choosing your own from random fights. Please engage with the community and read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts. Thanks.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN Randy couture fought at heavyweight for the majority of his career and got his 2 most famous fights while he weighed 220 , in addition he walks around 220 . So I don’t see a point in editing his weight to 203 pounds . It’s simply outdated/ can be misleading as he just weighed that for a minute during his whole life and it was in the ufc 129 weigh in . Don’t revert, the sources are reliable and accurate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 11:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Sherdog (the agreed reliable source for infobox data) lists him at 203. The UFC site lists him as 205. You have picked your own source based on WP:OR as regards the weight 'he walks around'. I won't revert as I'll wait until your behaviour has ceased. You need WP:CONSENSUS to change information that's reliably sourced. NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN Let’s break it down for you , sherdog although is the “agreed reliable source” is an outdated site and isn’t an organization in which the fighters themselves worked for , you should think more from a common sense point of view instead of being a robot . That is why wiki is not taken seriously by schools and other businesses. People like you edit and revert with no common sense . Randy couture is a 3 time heavyweight UFC champion. Get it ? UFC not sherdog . Nonetheless 220 pounds has a reliable source behind it and you don’t have the right To revert it . You check for yourself and will know the 220 pounds is a way more accurate weight for Randy when compared to the little skinny listing of 203 . Sherdog is outdated . And can be on many levels, false . For instance I changed Conor McGregor’s height from 5’9 to 5’8 and I got the source from sherdog but it was Changed and reverted , even though sherdog is the agreed reliable source right ? don’t be hypocritical when it comes to these matters if Randy is 203 then McGregor is 5’8 . Why ? Because sherdog said so and according to you it’s the “agreed reliable source”. The behavior won’t cease as I’m doing something great and good for the wiki community and making things more accurate. Go on your day and think positive more often . Thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 12:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

You're right about McGregor. Thanks. If you continue to edit without discussion I will report you to ANI.NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

If you don't think Sherdog is a reliable source then please bring it up at this noticeboard where editors can discuss whether it should be used. Woody (talk) 16:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN A report won’t solve the problem, don’t act childish and do a better job instead. You reverted McGregor’s edit without warning and with no reason , I should have reported you right then and there . This is unacceptably childish and you should do a better job on watching over and editing articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Dan Henderson height

I've pinged you on Talk:Dan Henderson but I thought I would back it up here with a note. I have reverted your edit to Dan Henderson's height. His height is a contentious issue and one that has been discussed on the talkpage significantly over the last month. Please contribute to the discussion there. Please do not reinstate your edit without consensus on the talkpage. Woody (talk) 09:40, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Woody , the change is sourced now and has a reliable UFC information based source. Don’t change it . You can add a note and say he’s 6’1 but keep 5’11 as his main height , his last 7-6 years of fighting with the ufc he was alwasy Listed at 5’11 . Michael Bisping is 6’1 and looks significantly taller than Hendo. It’s makes wiki look bad to others as this is false/outdated info about dan Henderson’s height.

The point that Woody is making is that the information was already sourced and clearly displayed. A great deal of discussion has gone into this, please respect that.NEDOCHAN (talk) 11:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

NEDOCHAN How about you respect me and the fact that I am trying to put a more reliable source out there and better info for people around the world. You have to respect the effort and stop reverting such reliable information. I made points and showed you the ufc listing . What more do you need . I get it that you 2 have been editing this for a long time but now there is a new guy in town . Respect me and don’t edit out accurate info .— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 11:43, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I note your lack of response to this question. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia with a number of core policies that we have to follow. Please go the Talk:Dan Henderson and discuss your concern with the article there. I don't have an issue with changing it to be 6'1 and then 5'11 in the notes if that is the consensus of editors (note I've only been involved with this article to try and stop the constant edit warring over these pesky 2 inches). Do you have a source to say the height he was listed at during his last "7-6 years at UFC" eg fight cards etc. That would be perfect to include in the discussion on the talk page. Please stop talking about the contributors and focus on the content. I am sure an amicable solution can be found. Woody (talk) 16:18, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Woody Do you want links and sources to the fight cards ? If so I’ll be more than happy to show you his listed height during his last years with the ufc . We can end this once and for all .— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

They would be very useful to inform the discussion at Talk:Dan Henderson. We always go off what the sources tell us rather than what we believe to be true and we can't use Original Research (ie just looking at photos for comparison). I know I've thrown an awful lot of guidelines at you on this talk page but if you refer to those when engaging in discussion or consensus then your point will have a lot more weight. (By the way, please sign your posts using Add four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment) Woody (talk) 16:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Woody Here are Some of the listing in recent years This is a sherdog source : https://images.app./HQjqCvedWPoZoqhQ8 https://images.app./k8qm1938kMqbGBvT6 https://images.app./QDbmJypZgMckpQwT8 https://images.app./M54Uo59VDXjrxNbK7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiman122112 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Jorge Masvidal

Hi Wikiman122112, pls note that the source sherdog is on every mma fighter infobox in Wikipedia. If info can not be obtained from fighter Sherdog.com fighter page then info is added with the support of source. so pls change the height info. Secondly, pls do not remove Sherdog external link. UFC and Sherdog external are in every mma fighter page in Wikipedia. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 07:46, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Conor McGregor

Wikipedia works with what the most recent and reliable sources tell us. As per the discussion on the article talk page, the most recent and reliable sources report McGregor's height as being 5'9 (as well as the official UFC website). And per that discussion, a pretty clear consensus was reached to change his height to reflect this. Even if you do engage in the aforementioned discussion, it wouldn't matter much. Consensus was achieved. I'll revert it back to the agreed upon height. Do not edit war to your preferred version. – ².O.^Boxing 23:53, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sherdog

Hi. Please note that Sherdog is not a deprecated source so please don't change every infobox! Thanks.NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Please discuss your issue on the page in question. Nothing unreliable about the source.NEDOCHAN (talk) 17:59, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit Warring

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Tony Ferguson; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Cassiopeia^(talk)

Reliability of Sherdog.com

Hello Wikiman122112, it seems you've been involved in multiple edit wars at the article of Tony Ferguson(history) regarding the dismissal of sherdog.com as a reliable source and usage of more reliable sources such as ESPN and UFC.

There's an RfC going on at WP:RSN#Responses_(Sherdog.com), and you can vote there for the reliability of Sherdog.com. The full link is below. Best wishes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Responses_(Sherdog.com) Perm 08:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)