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Three Whom God Should Not Have Created: Persians, Jews, and Flies

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This article doesn't meet WP:RS standards. Every source makes only trivial/passing mention, and all of them cite or otherwise quote/point back to Kanan Makiya's 1989 book "Republic of Fear" which itself only has a couple trivial alleged details in a bibliographical note for a citation concerning something else entirely, oddly. Having looked for other sources not on the article already, they have the same issue too. This is Circular reporting and it would appear that deliberately or not, the sources were placed on the article in a manner to make it seem like there was independent sources and analysis and good coverage when this was not the case which doesn't help with reliability. In effect, there's only one original source that itself is trivial in detail on the Wiki article subject and questionable at best in reliability. Further, in his book's introduction Makiya admits to use rumors and stories without "firmer basis in fact". In reality, there isn't analysis in any of the sources. This leads to WP:NBOOK, which it fails to meet the book notability criteria as well. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:REDFLAG violations may have relevance here.

As a note on Wikipedia policy and something important to keep in mind, a book passingly or trivially mentioning something is not coverage, nevermind significant coverage. For example, one source only states the title and author name as a chapter subtitle, which provides no value. Furthermore, a source simply repeating a detail that an original source it cites mentioned, as is the case here with the sources pointing to Makiya's book on this Wikipedia article, adds no additional value.

While the above policy failures are evident this article shouldn't have been made in the first place (my guess is 2006 English Wikipedia was more of a Wild West), there's also the quandary that it has been a futile effort to prove this pamphlet ever existed in the first place. Even book sellers and universities in Iraq turned up empty on ever having heard of such a work despite the alleged claim of it having been "widely circulated" and part of the country's education system.

For a detailed analysis, please see the Talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Three_Whom_God_Should_Not_Have_Created:_Persians,_Jews,_and_Flies#Unreliable_sourcing,_circular_reporting,_and_a_wiki_article_that_should_not_have_been_created It's a lot of text but the research and work that preceded this AfD were substantial per WP:BEFORE.

I'd also vouch for the Arabic Wikipedia article of this to be deleted too since it's essentially a direct translation of an older revision of this English Wikipedia article, but I'm not sure if that requires a separate AfD or not. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 23:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 November 14. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 23:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Somewhere between no sources and bad sources, as explained above. --Hob Gadling (talk) 04:55, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:11, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Agree with nom on all counts.— Ad Meliora ^Talk∕_Contribs 11:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+* '''Delete''' Agree with nom on all counts.— '''[[User:Ad Meliora|Ad Meliora]]''' [[User talk:Ad Meliora|<sup>Talk</sup>]]∕[[Special:Contributions/Ad Meliora|<sub>Contribs</sub>]] 11:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)