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Shekhian Mohalla

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I accepted tis in error. The sources whether now or in the earlier version that I accepted do not seem to support the content. See also the related Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kakkay Abbasi. DGG ( talk ) 23:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 00:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 00:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

• Delete this was created by COI user Kakkay Abbasi. No indication this is a major neighborhood in the current city. The users who created this also edited this information into the Rupnagar article so that needs to be reviewed as well. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delete No independent sources to confirm subject's nobility, relevance and truthfulness of the claim. RationalPuff (talk) 08:50, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
• Do not delete This article is authentic. You may find it in popular literature and this place Shekhian Mohalla still exists. You may see it on google map. At this link.

https://www.google.com/maps/place//data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x39055436a0426b8b:0x5959d40de6dd7ce7?utm_source=mstt_1

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I have also listen about this place in youtube documentaries. As well as in popular written literature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 07:51, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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Shekhian Mohalla is basically most old part of Ropar city. I know personally about it People of this locality were Ropari Sheikh Abbasi who after partition of India in 1947 migrated to Pakistan. Still name of this locality is Shekhian Mohalla you may check it on google map as well as by Waqaf Board Office Ropar, also from District Govt administration of Rupnagar (Ropar). It will a great pity if this article is being deleted which connects the past with present and future. If any additional documentary reference is needed then tell me. I may provide.

Check here that there is recent mentioning of this place about Covid-19. Means this article is about something authentic.

https://www.coronacitywise.com/in/covid/coronavirus-in-Rupnagar-93151

Check this site which is 100 % proving the truthfulness of content provided in article Shekhian Mohalla

www.maria-online.us/travel/article.php?lg=en&q=Rupnagar_district

Type ( https:// ) in beginning of above link as site was not publishing the link with https://

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Sir User:AngusWOOF You can see on below link that this place Shekhian Mohalla is part of Rupnagar.In below google map link is location of Shekhian Mohalla on google map. Still this historical place exist. So Sir now your opinion now may change as you said that this place does not exist. While this place exists.

https://www.google.com/maps/place//data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x39055436a0426b8b:0x5959d40de6dd7ce7?utm_source=mstt_1 comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 08:48, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

How is the neighborhood independently notable from the city? Google map just shows existence but not notability. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:15, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

What is the significance of this place roughly about one hectare that needs a Wikipedia article on? RationalPuff (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

• Delete, there is no evidence of the place's independent notability. Might be more productive for the submitter to compile some reliable sources and add this content to the Rupnagar article. If none exist, and this place really is as important as they say it is, perhaps they should spend time getting external coverage of it, which Wikipedia can then reflect. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

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@AngusW🐶🐶F @User:Kohlrabi Pickle Dears this piece of land is not only one Hector this piece of land was single central hub for All Muslims of this Thesil Rupnagar (formally known Ropar) before 1947.This was single block related to Muslim community before partition around which whole politics of tehsil Ropar moved. There were fifteen thousand votes of this muslim community in Elections of India in 1946 related to this muslim central hub of Tehsil Ropar. Thay you may check on Election 1946 Reoprt of Punjab. So to say it that it was merely one Hector of land is not just. You may prove authenticity from Ambala Gazzattiers 1983-84, 1923-24. All the fact may be mentioned aslo in Cenus Report of India 1941. There are lot of Youtube videos about migration and Muslim politics of Tehsil Ropar in which this place is mentined by the people and there is mentioning and importance of people of this place. I have also placed few links in my previous comments, while there are lot of links to mention here but wikipedia doesn't allow many links. So there are more to describe the authenticity and necessity of this article. This shows that this place is not merely a hector of land. This place has more significance than a piece of land and in future this article may be expanded because this place has also significance in historical pint of view. Other thing is that whole Rupnagar city is composed of four hectors. So why is there full article on Rupnagar city on wikipedia. So don't try to make a hector policy by your own for wikipedia. Deney the things with facts. Don't be personized about the things. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 04:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Page Representative: Wikipedia has rules on verifiability of its content. If what you are saying is true, you need to provide multiple reliable, independent sources that say the same thing. You can't quote only primary sources like election or census reports, because the conclusions you draw from them are original research. What I suggested above is that if no sources exist, then you should spend time on putting together reliable sources (for example, a newspaper, journal, or university-level textbook. See WP:RS.) Once there is significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, you should not have further issues. If these sources already exist, please locate them and show them to us here. If I am persuaded by them, I will change my vote, and I'm sure the same is true of the others. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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@User:Kohlrabi Pickle Dear Sir I may presume that according to wikipedia policy just commenting with out any knowledge is not enough. In my previous comments I have mentioned multiple sources regarding this article. Dear Sir go for checking the reference books and links articles whose names as I have mentioned above. Check references of this article. After that comment here. Because you know nothing about this article and you are merely commenting. Even you are not getting bother to check books, links, articles which I have mentined. I have mentioned enough reference books names. Kindly first check them go for these books pdf downloads check and then comment. I am expecting you will do it and then leave favourable comments. Thanks in this regard. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@Page Representative: The burden of proof is yours, unfortunately. I see some oblique references to "popular literature" and "documentaries", but nothing specific. I see references to "Google Maps" and primary sources like election and census reports. Both I and AngusWOOF have explained why those don't help you. Good luck. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 09:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete @User:Kohlrabi Pickle here burden of proof is on everyone who is presenting his opinion. If you have seen google map then it means that this place exists. Second thing is if you have seen Census Report of 1941 it means that content of this article is authentic. It is not fictitious.I have mentioned here more references in my previous comments you may probe into them. So with out doing proper probe to refute or accept does not suit to Wikipedia Community member. Otherwise it looks that some community members only appears online to put comments and they have no time even to probe the matters about that they are putting comments. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 10:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN says: "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution" So you are adding content and references. The census and other statistics reports only show possible existence of such a neighborhood / development but not independent notability. It doesn't go into detail on the area's history. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the coronacitywise section and it has "The district comprises four Tehsils, Rupnagar, Anandpur Sahib, Chamkaur Sahib and Nangal and includes 617 villages and 6 towns: Rupnagar, Chamkaur Sahib, Anandpur Sahib, Morinda, Kiratpur Sahib and Nangal All the towns except Chamkaur Sahib have railway connections The Satluj river passes close to the towns of Nangal, Rupnagar and Anandpur Sahib Shekhian Mohalla is a famous old central part of Ropar city in hold of migrated Hindu and Sikh population Before partition inhibited by Muslim Kakkay Sheikhs of Ropar (also known Kakkay Abbasi) Now this is a great trade hub of Ropar city Ghanauli is also Another Famous village of Ropar : Because of Freedom fighter Harnam Singh Kavishar, this village come to the top list in British Raj", so it only has one line that mentions "Anandpur Sahib Shekhian Mohalla". That means it could be added back to the city's history section with reference, but not enough to stand alone. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, the coronacitywise looks unreliable, and the language (with all its errors) is near-identical to that in the Rupnagar district article. The similar section was added by Page Representative themselves. See this diff: [1]. I wouldn't rely on it, especially as it looks like Page Representative has a close connection with the subject. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 01:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Kohlrabi Pickle, so that means either user-generated or COI and possible close paraphrasing. We'll need external news sources instead of that website. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 02:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment I removed the Do not delete boldings above that were coming from Page Representative as they were being misinterpreted as multiple votes. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:54, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I have done the same for later comments. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Delete I agree with the comments above looking at the article, there is nothing here establishing its supposed notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Comment @AngusW🐶🐶F kindly avoid to edit and change my comments. Have trust in Wikipedia management.They can realize more better than anyone about the things. So if you want to be disagree then use logic and facts to deney the things. I request you kindly do not modify or edit my comments. If you want to do something then do what we have discussed in above comments. I have no close connection to this article. I am only trying to convey here that you are trying to make judgement with out any knowledge. You have not seen Census Report of 1941,You have not seen Ambala Gazzattier 1983-84 and Ambala Gazzattier 1923-24 to verify the nobality of this place. It means that with out doing it you are denying the facts you must have some grudge to this article. So you suppose to be COI. Here you are Mentioning some material from Rupnagar district from wikipwdia and no research from external sources that I have provided from outer sources. You are speaking about now about Corona Reports. Do you think that a Corona Report will tell you about nobality of place ?? Lot of laughter for your approach. If you want to verify the nobility of report go for probe of sources that I have mentioned in my comments. It seems that you have some close relation and motif to delete this article. So probe the things, don't appear only to put comments as COI editor. Firstly you and one other respectable community member were saying that this place Shekhian Mohalla does not exist and delete it. Now you yourself saying that this place exists. When you will probe the evidences that I have provided you will say that this place really keeps nobality to be separate article. Go Sir take pity on Wikipedia and don't come here only for putting comments. Firts do research have knowledge then comment. During course of whole this discussion your opinion is floating and getting change which showes your poor level of research and probe into things. While your such behavior looks to go against wikipedia community standards. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs)

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Here notable things are :

1. Members who were saying in early comments that delete this article this place does not exist, Now they are saying this place exists.

2. Then these members were saying that this place is not worthy so delete the article, Now they are saying that this place has less worth to be separate article and add this place to history of Rupnagar. It means they accepted its worth after some independent probe.

3. These respectable Wikipedia community membera gave their first opinions with out any probe and knowledge about the matter. Still now after their semi probe into the evidences which I have provided in my comments these community members changed their opinion but they left big evidence sources to probe.

4. Now they are questioning the nobality of place. I request to them probe into the evidences that I have provided in previous comments. You will again change your opinion as you early deney the existence of place and then accepted it. So be careful to comment here. Otherwise it seems that you come online time and again only to comment and have no research spirits. This is lethal for Wikipedia.

It is also againts community standards to put supportive comments from different accounts and same IP address. It looks the same person is doing the job. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs)

Comment @ User:Kohlrabi Pickl kindly avoid to edit and change my comments. Have trust in Wikipedia management.They can realize more better than anyone about the things. So if you want to be disagree then use logic and facts to deney the things. I request you kindly do not modify or edit my comments. If you want to do something then do what we have discussed in above comments. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 13:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Page Representative: Each person gets one vote, but you have written the words "Do Not Delete" 7 times, giving the misleading impression of multiple votes. That's not a big deal, really, because the closing admin will simply count them as one vote. I, like AngusWOOF, changed that to "Comment", but when I saw that you had reverted AngusWOOF's changes, I self-reverted. You then reverted my self-reversion, so I'm not sure what you want from me. A final bit of friendly advice that Shekhian Mohalla will almost certainly be deleted by the closing admin unless you amend your approach and engage constructively with the comments and questions that the rest of us have posed. I think the points you make have now been addressed many times over. I would also remind you that we have rules on Wikipedia on civility and casting aspersions. I suggested that you may have a close connection with the subject because of your pattern of editing a narrow field of subjects and the vehemence with which you are defending this article. I am happy to retract that suggestion if I was mistaken. If you believe that AngusWOOF and I are engaging in sockpuppetry, then you are welcome to report it at WP:SPI, where an admin will investigate. However, if you continue to cast aspersions without evidence, you may find yourself banned from editing. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 07:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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You have no right to edit someone's comment. Wikipedia Admin can judge better than you. So be civil to keep yourself to edit your own comments. This question also rest on you that why are you trying to rejecting and accepting the things about this particular article illogically and with so enthusiasm. It means either you have some close interest to delete this article ?? First of all you denied the existence of this place and then accepted that this place exists. Then you questioned its nobality. I argued and provided evidences in above comments and you begain to beat about the bush. Here point lies that if you have no interest in this article then why are you here with your gigantic comments. And if you are here for improvement then why are you avoiding to know the facts from evidences provided by me. I want to show this also to Wikipedia Team that here on Wikipedia there are such editors who only come to put comments, have no interest and knowledge about the topic. This is my point that I want to show by arguing about this article. I here want to explained to Wikipedia Administration that how editors on Wikipedia only collecting job experience from wikipwdia while they have no spirit to do work. No knowledge . Only come to comment with out knowledge and spirit to do better for Wikipedia and then gone offline. comment added by Page Representative (talk • contribs) 13:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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I have gone through the whole article. I also analyzied evidences and reference in article and in this page commented by different persons. Evidences seems to support this article. So keep it on Wikipedia and do not delete. Nonofficial2 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment @Admin pleae note, this is obviously a sockpuppet barely created moment before adding vote. @Page Representative: it is clear what you are trying to do here and it's not working. RationalPuff (talk) 08:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• Comment @ [[User:RationalPuff] Sir why are you putting blame one me. It may be you or all other persons of this chat who are taking me personally. Sir raise logic and facts. I respect you. Page Representative (talk) 08:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Iam editor of this article. This article does not go against community standards. I request to keep it on Wikipedia. If there is some advise. I will follow. Thanks. Kakkay Abbasi (talk) 08:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)