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Colors

Can we change the coloring of the "tie" and "NXT win" ? They are way too similar.

Ratings Table

Is there gonna a ratings table similar to the one for the Monday Night Wars? LROSE (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There should not be right now. There is only 1 week so there is no reason for it. The prose handles it just fine. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 15:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the similar colours used in the ratings table - can we not have colours that don't clash as much?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:408:D400:59D8:8049:21:A29B (talk) 09:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why does this page exists

It has been two months since head to head competition. I could see this being notable in a years time. Their is not going to be any new information or anything notable to add except for adding to the ratings table. For now this page should not exist. James Sunderland James Sunderland (talk) 16:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because people are obsessed with ratings that don't affect them and non-existent "wars" *shrugs* Like it or not, it's picked up steam and even the lackluster 2010's Monday Night War has a page... AEWFanboy 04:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Also I don't know what constitutes "highly searchable", but the pageviews statistics says that theres a daily avarege of over 1000 views, and 2, 3k on the thursday and friday after the shows so there's interest in this page. Also also, regardless of your opinion, all the wrestling websites and fan forums talk and compare the 2 shows every week, thus making it a competition or "war" if you will. DCF94 (talk) 11:16, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

18-49 demo rating?

Shouldn't the 18-49 demo rating of each show be noted and listed for each week? This is done for many other American TV shows, even ones not involved in a "war". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, because it's irrelevant. It's a cherry-picked demographic. AEWFanboy 19:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

But it's done for the majority of other American TV series, and has always been the most important demo. Nearly all TV ratings sites make note of and discuss this rating demo, how is it "irrelevant"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.85.52 (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly every American show (including pro wrestling) aims for the demo. It's the most important audience, and it's definitely worth noting Aardwolf68 (talk) 01:47, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's irrelevant 174.125.52.167 (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

How is it irrelevant when it's more important to have a high 18-49 demo rating, than total viewers? For example, a show with a 1.0 18-49 rating with an average of 5 million viewers, will generally get renewed over a show with a 0.5 18-49 rating, with an average of 8 million viewers. Obviously, this demo matters for network TV and basic cable, not HBO, etc. Advertising dollars are greatly influenced by this important demo, most wiki pages for American TV shows make note of this demo rating. How exactly, is it "irrelevant"?

This should be removed imo 24.38.208.110 (talk) 12:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Explain your reasons. The demo is noted on many other American TV series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:1AE4:D658:B8CE:CAA8:A113:495F (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Im willing to bet that those wanting it to stay are "aew fans" and those wanting it removed are "wwe fans". That said, I see no harm whatsoever in it staying. If those providing the info are happy to do so and update the page whats the big deal? More information is good no? When all said and done, in the case of AEW v NXT (Which is what the article is about) the 18-49 demo is most certainly relevant because its being cited in all the viewing figures reports, and its even playing parts of ongoing storylines. That said, nobody should be deleting anything (as someone did earlier) until some sort of consensus has been reached Dimspace (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"+7" Figure?

For similar reasons to the above, shouldn't the "+7" figure - the rating which includes people who watch the shows in the 7 days following the live broadcast - be included? It's increasingly the standard by which the industry judges these things due to the rise of streaming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.46.51 (talk) 16:57, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason why +3 and +7 cannot be included if its properly sourced. NXT results obviously will not include WWE Network views, so the total viewers will not be exactly accurate, but its about watching from TV - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article should probably avoid recapping storylines too much

Firstly, I would like to commend user @J4lambert: for their major contribution to the page of late. The "Before the War" and "Impact of the coronavirus" sections are good overlays of the context of what is happening with the war. However, I might suggest one thing, and that suggestion would be that the page, in general, should probably avoid recapping storylines unless those storylines can be directly shown to have affected the ratings. I fear the page will balloon enormously in size over time if multiple users try and recap the storylines the promotions are doing. The "war" could go for many years to come and too much recapping will lead to a sprawling article.

If a storyline can be shown to be consistency adding to the ratings of a promotion (or indeed, losing ratings), that can be included, but otherwise, I think it should be avoided. A way to demonstrate this would be quarter-hour ratings. So, for example, it would probably be fairly easy to demonstrate that someone like Chris Jericho is capable of shifting/hold the ratings.

One example of "fluff" or "filler" in the article in the "The war begins" section are a few sentences recapping what Charlotte Flair did in storyline between January and February 2020. How this influenced the war in any way is not demonstrated. If it can be shown this was something that influenced ratings, it should be kept. But if not, then this type of information just overloads the article with trivia.

That's my 2 cents. CeltBrowne (talk) 21:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Unless an event happens that directly affects the ratings of either program (ie, Rhea Ripley winning the NXT title), it shouldn't be on this article. This article doesn't exist to recap the events of every single angle and storyline from NXT and Dynamite. I've tagged the article accordingly. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should only be used to highlight flagship weeks. So for instance AEW running bash at the beach, and then the recent AEW running fighter fest v nxt doing great american bash, as they are 1) special cards that impact viewing figures and 2) highlight weeks where both organisations put forward bigger cards. Dimspace (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Key demographic?

No explanation of what makes this important or any prose to describe why it matters? It's nonsense, and obviously it's blatantly against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ItsKesha (talk) 18:28, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wednesday Night Wars/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: REDMAN 2019 (talk · contribs) 18:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will take a look at this. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:39, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quickfail

I'm afraid I'm going to have to quickfail this one. The reasons being the expansion needed tag at the COVID section, and also because it is uncertain weather the article meets Wikipedia's general notability criteria. Also I notice that you have only made two edits to the page. Editors who are not regular contributors to the page in question are advised to seek clearance from regular ones. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:54, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

12/30/2020 AEW 977,000 link

Can someone convert this into a footnote? The link as-is will not be accessible to users of screen reading software. The link should be descriptive as to the article it's linking to. SunnySydeRamsay (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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+Can someone convert this into a footnote? The link as-is will not be accessible to users of screen reading software. The link should be descriptive as to the article it's linking to. [[User:SunnySydeRamsay|SunnySydeRamsay]] ([[User talk:SunnySydeRamsay|talk]]) 22:40, 11 January 2021 (UTC)