Talk:Dalecarlian languages

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Not a language, rather a group of dialects

There is some explanation necessary here: Dalecarlian is not a language, it is a group of dialects, whereas Elfdalian is a language in the sense that it has a standard form (orthography and grammar) and a body of literature, whereas Dalecarlian is not standardized, except if you regard Elfdalian as a standardized form of Dalecarlian. It is a bit similar to Norwegian language that is not a standardized language, whereas Bokmål is. Ideally, this article should only list the dialects and their distribution and give a short outline of their common features, whereas the Elfdalian article should describe the language in more detail including phonology etc. Andreas ^(T) 12:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dalacarnian is more like the dalacarnian language, and Elfdalian, Orsamål, Moramål is different dialects of Dalacarnia. However, the different dialects sometimes have a hard time to understand each other. For example, a man that speaks orsamål does not always understand what a man who speaks elfdalian says. However, all of the Dalacarnian dialects have more in common with each other than compared to modern swedish.--Bamsejon (talk) 21:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A term that sidesteps this controversy is "lect," which can refer either to a language or a dialect. Could the article be named "Dalecarlian lects?" Jdm1991 (talk) 11:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source on "having a single standardized form" as being the definition of a language? Sounds like Norwegian is a group of dialects and not a language then, since Nynorsk and Bokmål would be the languages. — Swedishpenguin | Talk 21:08, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rot

I have removed all references to the village of Rot and Rots skans, since Elfdalian is spoken north and upstream of these places, i.e. in Klitten, Brunnsberg, Åsen, Bunkris, Lövnäs, Nornäs etc. Luke (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Number of speakers?

Just 1,500 speaking dalecarlian dialects. Is this figure relevant and reliable? --Vedum (talk) 11:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Someone must have removed it. I also doubt the accuracy of that figure, especially after the time since this discussion was opened. Glades12 (talk) 09:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"They are mutually unintelligible with Swedish"

The article says the dialects are mutually unintelligible with Swedish. That's not always the case. Elfdalian as a language of its own is definitely not mutually unintelligible with Swedish, just like Icelandic isn't either. --159.190.251.57 (talk) 16:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccurate title

The current title of this article is inaccurate because what is being described is actually several dialects or languages, depending on your exact definitions. I would move it to Dalecarlian languages or Dalecarlian dialects, but can't decide on the better alternative, hence why I opened a discussion here. Glades12 (talk) 09:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest merging this section with "Not a language, rather a group of dialects" above. Jdm1991 (talk) 11:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since there doesn't seem to be a consensus either on or off Wikipedia on whether these varieties are dialects of Swedish or a distinct language with either its own dialects or surrounded by related dialects of Swedish, I suggest using the term "lect," which is ambiguous: Dalecarlian lects. Jdm1991 (talk) 11:19, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Morphology

I blanked a part of the morphology, as it seems to be either incorrectly translated or fully senseless: [1]. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]