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Western backed

Recently Buidhe removed the "western-backed" description from the lead. I see in the body of the article that the battalion was visited by a US military delegation at one point. But the article also states that there was controversy over proposed US military support for Azov, and that planned support was withdrawn. Apparently an amendment was introduced blocking US military backing for the battalion. But then that amendment itself was withdrawn.

So has the Azov battalion actually received any support from "western powers" ? Leaving a post here in case anyone has information they can link to, one way or the other. -Darouet (talk) 16:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see that this issue was raised on the talk page at least once - somebody posted this link [1]. Consortium news is fringe enough, I think, that we'd need confirmation of this elsewhere, even if Max Blumenthal is a good journalist.

This article from The Daily Beast [2] includes a great quote from the group's founder:

“The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival.”

But the article is mostly just denials by various Ukranian and US officials that the US military is training members of the Azov battalion. Only one soldier - described as a member of AAzov - appears to say the opposite. -Darouet (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with "Western-backed" is also, besides not having a source, that it's vague, without saying specifically who's backing it. If you're trying to claim that this Battalion has US support the sourcing will need to be much better. It's certainly WP:REDFLAG that a neo-nazi group would get such support. (t · c) buidhe 20:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure - I’m not trying to claim this though, if that’s what you’re reading from my comments. I don’t see sourcing to demonstrate that it’s true. -Darouet (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-Nazi

IPs keep removing the description "neo-Nazi." That description is very well sourced and has been in this article since it was first written. Unless compelling reasons (and sources) are provided describing the group otherwise, we need to write what reliable sources write: that this is a neo-Nazi group. -Darouet (talk) 15:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was an RfC about it. The consensus was it should not be described as a neo-Nazi organization, especially after the reorganization of the unit by Ukrainian government. One should open new RfC to change that I think. My very best wishes (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rise of Far-Right Extremism in the United States". csis.org. 2018-11-07. "Azov Battalion, a paramilitary unit of the Ukrainian National Guard, which the FBI says is associated with neo-Nazi ideology" https://www.csis.org/analysis/rise-far-right-extremism-united-states It is the consensus it is a Neo Nazi Group.