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The first two singles were not a double A-Side but two individual releases with two different CD Singles available and listed seperately on the UK charts

'Just A Notion' ABBA Single On Friday 22nd October 2021

'Just A Notion' will be the 3rd ABBA Single, from 'Voyage', on Friday 22nd October. It is much more lively than the 1978 Original. The 1978 Song, has been given more power and strength. That goes for both the Vocals, and the Instrumentation. Most of all it has a great sense of 'Fun' around it. It is ABBA at their best. 09:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

"Just a notion" and "Bumblebee"

The songs "Just a notion" and "Bumblebee" are mentioned in the track list, but as they have not have been commented, released or played in any form to the public, the fact that they are complete versions of the unfinished songs published in the box set Thank you for the music is just a matter of speculation. No source for this is mentioned in the text. Alejandroflopez (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Just A Notion' and 'Bumblebee'

We, (ABBA Fans), have now been told, that the 'Voyage' Track - 'Bumblebee' - is not the 1978 Demo 'Free As A Bumblebee'. The 'Bumblebee' Song, is a 100% brand New Benny and Bjorn Song. Also, 'Just A Notion' has now been given a totally New Backing Track. So, it does not sound completely the same, as the 1978 Original version. Some ABBA Fans have been speculating, if there are any Instrumental Tracks, on 'Voyage'. With 'Ode To Freedom' being 'guessed' to be an Instrumental. It is not. The 'Voyage' Album contains no Instrumentals. All 10 Tracks have Vocals. 81.103.92.196 (talk) 17:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese Edition

Too much focus.

Why give tracklisting for Gold Greatest Hits? Simply say Japanese versions include one with the GOLD album. Coachtripfan (talk) 08:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given that track listing without an explanation is highly confusing if not misleading. It seems rather apparent that the Japenese edition is not the new album, but something different sold under the same name. Which actually might suggest it doesn't belong in this article on the album in the first place and certainly not without an explanation (not to mention that sourcing via Amazon isn't really up to sourcing standards either).--Kmhkmh (talk) 06:39, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Kmhkmh: Although I was not the editor who added these extra track listings in the first place and am not particularly fussed about them being present, it really was not confusing whatsoever—the headlines of these extra track listings were clearly marked "disc 2" and so on. It's a well-established practice in the music market, not just in Japan, to tack on extra discs including an artist's greatest hits with their new album. One version sold in Japan includes the ABBA Gold album, another Japanese version includes The Definitive Collection DVD and so on. It was not "something different sold under the same name". Also, technically, per MOS:ALBUM the extra discs don't even need sources—the liner notes/album itself is considered the source. Ss112 08:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It might be to the normal reader (at least it was for me), who cannot be expected to know what might be common in Japan or with some labels. To me for instance it was at first glance not clear, that disc 1 was always supposed to be the original voxyage album, although I see your point that is clear if you rtake a closer look.

There is nothing wrong with pointing out, that in Japan the new album is bundled with additional discs, but we don't need the track listing for those additional discs (in this article). The track listing in this article imho should belong to this album and not various repackaging versions.--Kmhkmh (talk) 10:28, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timings

These have appeared on various Abba fan sites. Gossip and speculation.

The tracklisting times have NOT been confirmed by any authoritative source. Apart from the 2 singles obviously. Coachtripfan (talk) 08:10, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pre Order

Where is the claim for 111,000 UK Pre order sales? Not in the link.

The author of this topic is clueless Coachtripfan (talk) 21:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please, no personal attacks. You can find it exactly here. TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 22:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Coachtripfan: courtesy ping that I forgot to add TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 12:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The author of the Voyage (album) page

Uses timings of songs without any sources

Sales figures from only one source. We don't know how reliable it is

Lists the whole tracklisting of GOLD Greatest Hits just because a Japanese edition has one version of Voyage with a GOLD GH bonus disc

Asserts bumblebee song is an old recording when Fan Club says it isn't Coachtripfan (talk) 12:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Coachtripfan: Okay. Let me explain.

1. Again, No personal attacks. Specifically putting blame on one user is a personal attack.

2. There are other sources for this, by the way. here

3. inews has been reliable in the past for Adele information, and is generally reliable for fact-checking.

Please calm yourself down and allow us to have a good conversation. TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 18:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Calm yourself down" is a personal attack.

My criticism about 1. The timing of the songs is valid. No evidence or source or provided. We only know the length of the 3 released singles 2. Why highlight the Japanese edition with tracklistings from compilations/Dvds? Just give 10 tracklisting for global edition. Footnotes for international variations. 3. Ok there has been one or two sources about the pre-sale figures. But are they reliable? Coachtripfan (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Asking you to not personally attack people is a personal attack in it's ownright? I never knew.

I don't care about the timing of the singes or the Japanese edition. I am only talking about the 111,000 sales.

And yes, as I said, inews has been reliable in the past for ABBA information, and is generally reliable for other information, such as the new Adele record that the article mainly covers. Overall, I think it should be trusted with the pre-order sales. TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, the story about pre-sales is in two articles but written by the same person - Adam Sherwin. MSN often pick up stories from newspapers. The Independent and I newspaper are frequently used. Coachtripfan (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this information. I thought that the articles were extremely similar, but I didn't know the fact about MSN. I will use this information in the future wisely. TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 01:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Final album

Yes, I realize that the male members of the band have said this is it in an interview, which has been cited. But are they absolutely sure this time? Bluorangefyre (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Frida just said in an interview today to "not be too sure" that Voyage is the end & "never say never," & that's after Agnetha said "I don't dare to say [if a further reunion will happen] because it's a bit uncertain" in September, after Björn also said "never say never" in an interview with Benny last week, & after Benny literally changed his position in that same interview from his "this is it" position of last month to a new one of "if Benny & the ladies wanted to do more, then they could convince me." So, with all of that being said, perhaps it is not best for the article to, as it currently does, so clearly state that Voyage is the "final album," given that even the members of the band themselves are acting pretty fluid on on this matter. Brucejoel99 (talk) 04:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. 188.148.229.176 (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Track 3 Little things lead vocal Agnetha Faltskog

Track 3 Little things is Lead vocal Agnetha Faltskog StephenStoke (talk) 13:38, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No it isn't. It is Frida Coachtripfan (talk) 20:58, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]