Talk:Running while Black

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random comment 2 sept 2020

So...Wikipedia will allow a page for pretty much anything now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1312:C45E:890:3094:25CD:759D (talk) 07:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

back to article space

@Levivich, fancy meeting you here. —valereee (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of all the ~~gin joints~~ articles in all the projects in the world... Levivich 18:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, there's a gin joint here? What's your thought on Running while Black? —valereee (talk) 18:08, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Er, as a page move, and then to B/w. —valereee (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support that. Levivich 18:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

random comment 25 july 2021

This page is a joke. Nobody gives a damn if a black person is running. Illinois v Wardlow discussed a person (race doesn't matter) running from the police, only after observing the uniformed police enter the area, while in a high crime area (i.e. a documented drug area, area with an increase in burglaries and violent crime). Whoever made this page is ridiculous. Onursides (talk) 14:15, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

'Fleeing a trespassing incident' removal.

"trespassing incident" implies that a trespass misdemeanor had been committed.

Wrong. In most states, there is an offense of trespass violation also, which is not a misdemeanor.

Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-7-21.(d) "A person who commits the offense of criminal trespass shall be guilty of a misdemeanor." --JollyTom 15:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

No cited sources make this claim. This is a link to tresspass under Georgia law Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses § 16-7-21. This link Criminal Trespassing Law notes in "many states, laws require there be a warning" ... "or a locked door" but no warning had been given https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/cops-planned-on-giving-ahmaud-arbery-trespassing-warning/ and the door was not locked.

This is misleading. You talk about "in many states", but in Georgia, where this happened, there is no need for a warning. You are just inserting a red herring.

Georgia Code Title 16. Crimes and Offenses §6-7-21."(b) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when ...(3) Remains upon the land or premises of another person...after receiving notice from the owner..." --JollyTom 15:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

"Fleeing" requires running from danger. Arbery was out running Ahmaud Arbery: What you need to know about the case. No source was cited claiming that Arbery was specifically fleeing. Running & fleeing not being the same thing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JollyTom (talk • contribs) 16:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fleeing commonly defined online means "to run away or escape from a dangerous or otherwise negative situation." A situation of being in someone's house or property without permission, is certainly negative, and often dangerous.

Wikipedia's [Content_removal essay] states "When information is unsourced, and it is doubtful any sources are available for the information, it can be boldly removed." The "fleeing" claim was unsourced.--JollyTom 15:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

****As a longtime reader and supporter of Wikipedia, I am disturbed at the overall substance and tone of your edits. It's as if you have a preconceived agenda when looking at edits and additions to this entry. You delete factual information, even when it is cited properly, if it doesn't further your narrative. I have not seen that on Wikipedia before. It is usually a place where contributors can post factual information related to the subject, as long as it is properly cited. Readers are entitled to have the most information available presented to them. It just seems like in this case, you are bending over backwards in contortions to push a c ertain narrative, and in doing so, you are denying the readers the benefit of getting a more complete picture.****

"I am disturbed at the overall substance and tone of your edits." These are all my contributions [[1]] which go back to 2006. I will allow the reader to decide if they reach the threshold of "a preconceived agenda". --JollyTom 21:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

"Fleeing" or "Running From" Citation needed

Multiple sources [2] [3] establish that Arbery was out for a jog. However the claim that Arbery was "running from" as a fact (rather than an allegation) remains unsourced and so following [Verifiability norms] a [Citation needed] tag will be added.