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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 05:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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This politician may not currently meet the notability guidelines of WP:POLITICIAN. I was unable to find significant press coverage. Nick—Contact/Contribs 19:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Notability not established. --Dreamspy (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Do a Google News search for "Spencer Herbert" vancouver. I find articles in the Vancouver Sun, Xtra West, The Vancouver Province, Georgia Straight, The Tyee, and the Vancouver Courier, all within the past month. Does press coverage need to be any more significant than this? Queerwiki (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes it does. Press attention from just running for office does not establish notability. Based on my searching so far, this looks like a WP:ONEEVENT biography. Coverage before the the run doesn't go very deep. • Gene93k (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Spencer has a number of media hits from his time spent on the park board as well - these just aren't available in a Google News search that only indexes recent hits. Examples: [one], [two], [three], [four], [five], [six], [seven], [eight], [nine], [ten], [eleven]. Queerwiki (talk) 21:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC) (sorry for the previous anon edit; Wikipedia lost my cookie)[reply]
- Yes it does. Press attention from just running for office does not establish notability. Based on my searching so far, this looks like a WP:ONEEVENT biography. Coverage before the the run doesn't go very deep. • Gene93k (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I found several newspaper articles on him, via the gnews search recommendations. Passes, if barely. PHARMBOY (TALK) 21:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- -- pb30<talk> 01:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 02:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As per nom. Is Wikipedia to become a Who's Who Directory of marginally notable local officials? Proxy User (talk) 03:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- He seems to be a quite marginal local official. Redirect to Herbert Spencer — this would be a plausible redirect. Nyttend (talk) 14:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly disagree with redirecting his name to "Herbert Spencer"... there is an individual of some level of notability whose name is Spencer Herbert. At the very least, I would like Spencer Herbert to be a disambiguation page rather than an outright redirect. But I still do believe this politician is worth having a page. He has a media presence dating to 2005 and is campaigning for higher office. Queerwiki (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My point is that I believe he's not good enough for notability (the campaigning, among other things, counts nothing), and that I believe redirecting is a better solution for the article than simply redirecting. Nyttend (talk) 18:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "I believe redirecting is a better solution for the article than simply redirecting"? I don't follow. In any case, people who type Spencer Herbert are probably looking for a Canadian politician and not an English philosopher. Why throw them off? Queerwiki (talk) 21:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No wonder you were confused; I must not have been paying attention. I meant to say "I believe redirecting...than simply deleting". Anyway, if we see S.H. as a nonnotable guy whose article should be deleted, it doesn't matter if they want this guy; if people type Ryan Higa, that doesn't mean that they're going to get an article on the YouTube character. The point is basically "is S.H. a plausible redirect for H.S."? I believe it is; and therefore, if this is deleted we should recreate it as a redirect. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How about a redirect to Herbert Spencer (disambiguation), which also includes other individuals with similar names? One of the bullet points could be something like "Spencer Herbert, a Vancouver municipal politician and a British Columbia provincial election candidate." - but without putting a link on his name. If he wins the seat then perhaps his notability could be reconsidered in the future. Queerwiki (talk) 18:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No wonder you were confused; I must not have been paying attention. I meant to say "I believe redirecting...than simply deleting". Anyway, if we see S.H. as a nonnotable guy whose article should be deleted, it doesn't matter if they want this guy; if people type Ryan Higa, that doesn't mean that they're going to get an article on the YouTube character. The point is basically "is S.H. a plausible redirect for H.S."? I believe it is; and therefore, if this is deleted we should recreate it as a redirect. Nyttend (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "I believe redirecting is a better solution for the article than simply redirecting"? I don't follow. In any case, people who type Spencer Herbert are probably looking for a Canadian politician and not an English philosopher. Why throw them off? Queerwiki (talk) 21:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My point is that I believe he's not good enough for notability (the campaigning, among other things, counts nothing), and that I believe redirecting is a better solution for the article than simply redirecting. Nyttend (talk) 18:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly disagree with redirecting his name to "Herbert Spencer"... there is an individual of some level of notability whose name is Spencer Herbert. At the very least, I would like Spencer Herbert to be a disambiguation page rather than an outright redirect. But I still do believe this politician is worth having a page. He has a media presence dating to 2005 and is campaigning for higher office. Queerwiki (talk) 14:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
[unindent] That would be more useful. However, if S.H. is found to be of too little notability, we should not include anything about S.H. on that page: disambiguation pages aren't meant to include bits on nonnotable people or topics. Nyttend (talk) 00:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to recall seeing lots of disambiguation pages that include references without wiki pages of their own. For example Jimmy includes a groundhog and a song that don't have their own pages. John Smith includes a Utah territorial legislature member, a former mayor of Nashville and a comics writer, all without their own pages. Queerwiki (talk) 17:26, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.