Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan MacDonald

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. czar ⨹ 18:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan MacDonald

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No in-depth secondary sources, just primary sources and blogs. The strongest source I can see here is a WP:NEWSPRIMARY Forbes interview. McGeddon (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The article has been updated with multiple news articles as sources as well as sources of his ongoing international speaking clearly demonstrating his influence. If there is still not enough secondary sources could I get some feedback/comment . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natalieaviner (talk • contribs) 02:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I’ve amended/ included better sources in place of bad sources, as well as deleted what i couldn’t source. When I compare this to many other renowned speakers, i think i’ve included more content so i’m trying but i don’t understand why this is still up for deletion, could i please have some feedback on what else needs to be done? I’ve included so much already. Natalieaviner (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It feels like you're bombarding with links independent of quality at the moment. Most of the sources are self links or appear to be press releases meaning that the article feels like advertising. A couple of good sources about him in the national press (that class as reliable sources) are what you need - it's not quantity you need but quality. Even the BBC link is just a quote by him rather than something about him. I'm currently therefore leaning Delete Neonchameleon (talk) 11:47, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Natalieaviner, what is your connection to MacDonald? I'm always a bit suspicious that a WP:SPA has WP:COI, and this article reads in a promotional manner. Boleyn (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Comment' Thanks for your feedback Neonchameleon, I see what you mean and i’ve edited the page. Boleyn, a friend showed me his ted talks and then i found the rest of his videos, he's been really inspiring, i was surprised he didn't have a wiki. Natalieaviner (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OMG/Comment Please STOP adding links to this page until you learn how to cite sources. Could this article be "Userfied" until the references get cleaned up? It hurts my eyes just to look at them, and there is no way to know what is being cited without following every link. Things like ""story-23084981". grimsbytelegraph." and "Template:ISBN 1-49-546347-8" are NOT valid citations. Please see WP:CITE. LaMona (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I tried to get this to a point that we make a fair determination. In the end, I only did about half of what is needed. I can find a few reliable third-party sources, but most of the information in this article isn't supported by them. The person's 3 books were self-published. He has definitely held positions in the telecomm industry, but I cannot find support for other positions, e.g. government ministries, which are alluded to here. I still suggest Userfy if Natalieaviner wishes to work on this further. Otherwise, I'm afraid it must go the way of delete. LaMona (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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