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User:Boleyn is the same editor as User:Boleyn2 and User:Boleyn3. I used to use the three log-ins to increase my watchlist, but they can now all fit on one.

This editor is a Master Editor and is entitled to display this Platinum Editor Star.
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Just wanted to show my support for your tireless contributions to hndis-cleanup, for both you and your alter-ego. The recent criticism is completely unjustified, I have always found your edits to follow WP:MOSDAB scrupulously. Editorial differences will always occur but this should never have gone beyond the pages concerned or your talk page. Keep up the good work! Tassedethe (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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For just being you day after day Happydude 69ya (talk) 21:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for all your help at Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation! Those dab pages may Wikipedia more useful and accessible for everyone, and your work is appreciated. – Quadell (talk) 14:22, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks so much for your help finishing off the missing disambiguation links. You made it happen! – Quadell (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Boleyn, you are a one-woman disambiguating machine! Thanks for your continuing remarkable effort. – Quadell (talk) 00:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)



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For all your hard work cleaning up disambiguation pages, and consistently tagging worthless pages for removal, I hereby award you this barnstar! Keep up the good work! --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


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For being a great long-term contributor who had to deal with a really lousy block and all that unnecessary ANI drama. IronGargoyle (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

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For doing such a great job refining and standardizing disambiguation pages, especially ones I create! Jokestress (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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For your prolific work with creating dab pages and development. Keep up the great work! Henry would regret beheading you! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:55, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
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Dont logoff (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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For all the disambig work, including the recently created Andy Nelson page. Lugnuts (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

An award for you[edit]

A Barnstar!
Golden Wiki Award

In recognition of all the work you’ve done lately! (talk) 21:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very knid of you. Boleyn (talk) 16:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


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Congratulations on reaching 100000 edits. You have achieved a milestone that very few editors have been able to accomplish. The Wikipedia Community thanks you for your continuing efforts. Keep up the good work!

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Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to send this to me. Boleyn (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Though it's been said before, it bears repeating, thanks for your recent disambiguation work! Rosiestep (talk) 02:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


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There's hardly a dab page that I create where you don't show to improve things. Your diligence certainly deserves a barnstar. Schwede66 08:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Happy 6th Wikibirthday! Congrats on all the success and thanks for all the good work! MahmoudHashemi (talk) 11:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for excellent work in a largely un-rewarded subject area. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Northern Antarctica submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

As a 6-year veteran editor with over a 150,000 edits, Boleyn has quietly been creating tons and tons of disambiguation pages. This is an important area of work, but it doesn't generally get much attention, so Boleyn is probably well overdue for a bit of recognition. After all, users who faithfully work to improve the encyclopedia — yet don't get very much of the limelight — are the people that this award was designed for.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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A one-woman disambiguating machine! Makes dab pages useful and accessible.
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Thanks again for your efforts! ```Buster Seven Talk 13:57, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Northern Antarctica and User:Buster7. It is very, very much appreciated. Boleyn (talk) 18:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Great job! Wgolf (talk) 16:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Wgolf: Thank you! Very much appreciated. Boleyn (talk) 16:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Your advice please...[edit]


You are the disambiguation guru. It used to be piped links were discouraged on disambiguations pages. That made sense to me. Is that still what is recommended? HMS Toronto has several piped links. Should I unpipe them?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Geo Swan, I hope you're well. Yes, WP:PIPING is still discouraged, so that readers can see the real link and have less chance of ending up at a disambiguation page again by mistake, and can more easily go directly to the right page. On the page you mentioned, some of the links need a blue link on their line (WP:DDD). Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks again for the advice. Geo Swan (talk) 18:22, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

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Your tireless efforts to identify and eliminate useless WP:TWODABS pages are very much appreciated. Of course, even if they were not, they would still be bettering the encyclopedia - but they are, anyway. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, BD2412, that's very much appreciated. Boleyn (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For all the work you've been doing to help clean up the minor planet mess, you certainly deserve this barnstar. StringTheory11 (t • c) 00:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, StringTheory11, much appreciated! It will help keep me going to try to get through them all. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 08:13, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

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A kitten for you![edit]

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This wiki-kitten is here to thank you for taking part in my survey.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you - happy to help Piotrus. Sounds like you have an interesting job. Boleyn (talk) 08:43, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thanks for what you do around here. Your work is noticed and appreciated.

Rosiestep (talk) 00:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you very much for your patient and helpful assistance, and also for your kind indulgence.
With kindest regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 22:36, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Pdebee, much appreciated! Boleyn (talk) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

A DAB policy question[edit]

Since you are the DAB Page Queen, I wonder if you could answer a question for me. While disambiguating links, I often stop to edit the dab pages themselves. When I ran across one that added foreign text to some of the links, I removed the non-English characters, thinking it was an anomaly. But now I've found another such page, and it made me wonder if I was too hasty on the earlier edit. MOS:DAB had nothing to say about it. Is there any established policy about having non-English names or words on dab pages? How do you handle these? TIA — Gorthian (talk) 04:03, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Gorthian. I don't like these, but I don't always remove them. I think the most relevant part of MOS:D for them is MOS:DABENTRY: Keep the description associated with a link to a minimum, just sufficient to allow the reader to find the correct link. In many cases, the title of the article alone will be sufficient and no additional description is necessary. Often it is perfectly clear what the difference is and the translation is superfluous. However, with languages I don't understand, I err on the side of being generous when deciding whether it is definitely unneeded. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful response; that's very helpful. — Gorthian (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Vladimir Popov (economist)[edit]

Hello, you reverted the addition of a link to a (non-existing) page "Vladimir Popov (economist)", may I ask you to justify this removal? I added this link after looking for information on said person and noticing that he did not have a page. I believe he is a sufficiently important academic to be cited on Wikipedia which you can check here: [1] Thank you. Thibaut Lienart (talk) 09:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, ThibautLienart, thanks for you message. In my edit summary, I linked to MOS:DABRL, which if you click on it says it better than I probably can. The economist may well be notable and deserving of an article, but a WP:DISAMBIGUATION page is there essentially as an index of existing WP articles and topics mentioned within them. When/if an article's created, it would then be added to the dab. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok thanks for taking the time to explain Boleyn, I understand it's not a particularly good thing to add links to non-existing articles, I guess my error was induced by the Vladimir popov (actor) present on that disambiguation page. Thibaut Lienart (talk) 11:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I truly appreciate your concerns on the Article Aima Baig, It was just a small effort by me to make Wikipedia more informative. I am very junior Editor and Humbly request you to look at it and if you find anything violating Wikipedia's Laws then you may recommend it for Speedy Deletion. I again Thank You for showing concern to make Wikipedia a better and more Informative Forum. :) Muhammadahmad79 (talk) 19:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Muhammadahmad79, much appreciated! Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

July 2016[edit]

Information icon Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Army (Ellie Goulding song), without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Chase (talk | contributions) 21:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Chasewc91, that's ridiculously heavy-handed. I gave a clear reason in my edit summary - you disagreed and reverted - absolutely fine, but don't send formal templates warning me and saying I didn't give a valid reason. Boleyn (talk) 06:52, 10 July 2016 (UTC) =

Peter Moffett (drummer)[edit]

Respectfully, I am puzzled by your recent [undo] of my edit. I respect your expertise in this area so I am asking for my own education: Since {{other people}} is a hatnote (see WP:HAT#Other people) would you please clarify for me what is the issue with using it to point to the DAB page that lists the Peter Moffett (drummer) article? Logic would suggest that if an article is listed on a DAB page then the article should have a hatnote back to that page in case the reader arrived at the article in error. Since we do not (yet) have a plain old Peter Moffett page WP's autosearch will likely land the searcher on the drummer's page every time. Of course once we actually have such a page (as you have recommended) then eliminating the hatnote makes more sense. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 20:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

PS: On a side note thank you very much for cleaning up the DAB page. Really nice work. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 20:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Koala, thanks for your message. I think the relevant parts of WP:HATNOTE are: Only mention other topics and articles if there is a large possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind. Also WP:NAMB: In many cases it is preferable not to have a hatnote when the name of the article is not ambiguous. [Water (Wu Xing)] {For other uses, see water (disambiguation)}. Water' (Chinese: 水; pinyin: shuǐ), is the low point of the matter, or the matter's dying or hiding stage. Water is the fifth stage of Wu Xing... Here, the hatnote can be removed. A reader who is following links within Wikipedia is unlikely to end up at Water (Wu Xing) if one were looking for other meanings of water, since water does not redirect there. I would say this is a similar example - anyone typing in or clicking on Peter Moffett (drummer) will not be looking for any of the other entries, as none of the others have that name and are drummers. I hope that makes sense, but please let me know if not. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for rev on Humayun Khan[edit]

   I say Wha...", and then realize you not only agreed but had acted. [smile]
--Jerzyt 17:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Jerzy, it would be a very strange day if I had to correct any of your work! Hope you're well, Boleyn (talk) 05:39, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Your opinion please...[edit]

You are my goto expert on disambiguation. One of the entries in the disambiguation page FNU contained a piped link. Was my attempt to fix it correct?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Geo Swan, nice to hear from you. It was a good change, I made 2 very minor adjustments. I added back link to subsection of article to get readers there faster, so although it's piped, everyone can see which article it leads to. I also moved the link to the beginning of the sentence, as the reader gets to it first and may not then have to bother reading the rest of the sentence if it's the right one. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Salters and Steamships[edit]

You may have noticed the slip I made here. That was part of gathering a lot of Salters that I put here. I know those surname pages aren't disambiguation pages, they are set index pages, but Salter is a disambiguation page for now (because it has other items). What is the best thing to do with those surname pages - they are never up-to-date, but that one had so many missing I thought someone needed to try and pull them all together. Are those pages really useful? I used it to try and find a "Justice Salter", so I suppose it helped a bit, though the judge wasn't there... One other disambiguation issue I came across today. I was trying to identify an SS Amsterdam and looked at SS Amsterdam (and also at SS Nieuw Amsterdam, which wasn't very helpful either). It turns out that the ship I was after was this one that plied the route to New York and was much earlier than the ones named on Wikipedia. Is it OK to put this one on the disambiguation page? Carcharoth (talk) 23:24, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Carcharoth. I've created a separate Salter (surname) page, including your additional names. Technically, surname pages are article rather than dabs or set index pages, but they usually have so little info that they are like a dab. The list of notables is meant to be just an add-on to referenced info on the surname, which is the bit I consider most useful. The lists will often be out of date, especially for the more common names, but it gives some which readers may find interesting, I guess. I created SS Amsterdam (1879), as there wouldn' be any point adding it to the set index page without any links to take a reader too. Can you look it over and see if you can expand it, particularly on why it is notable? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 05:46, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I will have a think about the ship. One other disambiguation I came across was John Bethell which could redirect to either John Bethell, 1st Baron Bethell or John P. Bethell with hatnotes at each, but what links here gives two other (article-less) John Bethells who want to claim the link as well. A John Bethell is linked from creosote: "in 1838 [...] a patent covering the use of creosote oil to treat timber was taken out by John Bethell. The "Bethell process"...", while Chester Brown mentions a John Bethell who wrote The Noblest Triumph, while Topographical poetry mentions an 18th-century poet called John Bethell, author of Llangunnor Hill: a loco-descriptive poem. Maybe this is why John Bethell has been left as a red link? The 18th-century poet seems not very notable. The creosote John Bethell (c.1804-1867) has some notes and an obituary here. Apparently The Noblest Triumph was written in 1998 by Tom Bethell, so the Chester Brown article has that wrong (now corrected). There is also a John T. Bethell here: "Senior Editor of The American Scholar and a contributing editor at Harvard Magazine, where he was editor from 1966 to 1995.". There is also a John Bethell who is involved in music. Some other non-notable John Bethells as well. In case the sportspeople are feeling left out, a variant spelling is at John Bethel. Anyway, to avoid disappearing down the rabbit hole of Bethells any further, I think only the creosote John Bethell is notable. I was wary of creating a disambiguation page, but having found the hockey player at the 'Bethel' spelling, I wonder if having those three would justify turning John Bethell blue as a disambiguation page, and de-linking the non-notable 18th-century poet and including the creosote guy in the disambiguation page. I'll do that now, possibly creating John Bethell (inventor) as a stub. Carcharoth (talk) 07:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Looks like John Bethell is a good dab now. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:31, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

David Kidd[edit]

Hi - I tried to cut a small corner by adding a link to the page David Kidd (writer) from the page David Kidd before I'd actually written the page. You undid this, because the link was, at that point, dead. Now that I've written the article, would you be happy for me to reverse your undo so that it features on the disambiguation page? StenLasha (talk) 12:02, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Of course, I've re-added it myself now, sorry I inconvenienced you. In future if you put an edit summary like 'Article being created now', it's unlikely to be undone. Thanks for creating the article, Boleyn (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Your edits to Guberman[edit]

Regarding edits on Guberman: I wanted to keep it a disambiguation page and {{surname}} is not a disambiguation template, maybe comprise with {{disambiguation|surname}}? And I wrote a query to find others. — Dispenser 17:17, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Dispenser, thanks for your message. At the moment it has no entries which would make it a dab - both would be partial matches. Unless you have other entries to add? For anything to be a dab entry, it would need to be called, or commonly known as, simply 'Guberman'. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 18:59, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

A dab page for 'Show tune'?[edit]

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I hope you are keeping well?
There are several items called 'Show tune', 'Show Tunes', etc.:

Would you agree that this might justify a new dab page? If so, I'd do the donkey work but would appreciate your assistance, as some redirects and hat notes are also involved.
Very many thanks for your considered advice. Face-wink.svg
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 10:37, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Pdebee, I agree and have made a basic start at Show Tunes. I'm happy to handle redirects and hatnotes if you want to see if there are more entries to add. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 16:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for your supportive feedback, and also for taking action and doing all the work! Face-wink.svg
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(guestbook) 16:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Any time. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Re: Revert[edit]

Excuse me, did you even look at my edit? I'll link it for you so you can brush up: Special:Diff/752626890. I fixed the very issue that the lovely blue link you gave said to avoid, then you added it back in. Also, apologies for the rollback, I missclicked while trying to play with the diffs. So noted. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 09:59, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Re-read your link, and it was fascinating stuff. It's a very strange system to intentionally route links through redirects, but whatever. Change reverted. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 10:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting your change, Ajraddatz, I appreciate that. I did feel that your initial message here was quite aggressive, and it's a shame you didn't read my edit summary before messaging me here and reverting me, but I'm glad it's now sorted out. Disambiguation pages do have a lot of guidelines that are different to articles, so it's not surprising you hadn't seen this before. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:06, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately the accidental rollback forced me to send the message a bit sooner than I usually would have. I.e. after the "why are there so many unintuitive guidelines on enwiki and reverts with vague non-descriptive summaries" thoughts went away. I find that about 90% of the time when my edits are reverted, it was some mistake, or someone was off-quoting a guideline which doesn't apply to whatever case was actually happening. When I did a 5 second skim through this one the first time, that's what I thought it was. Anyway, sorted now, thanks for the info I guess. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 10:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Sarah Fimm albums[edit]

Hi Boleyn,

Apologies for taking so long to work with you on resolving the issue with those Sarah Fimm album articles that I started but I've been a bit preoccupied with lots of stuff outside Wikipedia. Anyway, considering the actual length of the Sarah Fimm article itself, I'm wondering if maybe over the next weeks in my spare time I should try incorporating any and all details (including the cover art) from the album articles onto the Sarah Fimm page, expanding it and then redirecting the album articles to her page. Does that sound like a solution to you? Let me know what you think. Thanks. Shaneymike (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Shaneymike, nice to hear from you. Your solution sounds good. Thanks for your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 20:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello again, Boleyn. I dropped by to share this idea that I've been kicking around in my head. I don't know if you were ever around to see this but before I created the article for Blue Sunshine, the track listing and personnel were part of the band article for The Glove (see here). If you check out the articles Babacar and Mistrust, you will see that I redirected the articles Babacar (Babacar album) and Spin the World respectively to each of those articles and incorporated the details for each album to those articles. At some point, I will probably do the same for Culprit/Guilty as Charged, Tanks of Zen/Love's Gentle Maw, Fools Dance/EPs and Neon Christ/EPs. As for those Sarah Fimm albums as well as the plethora of other albums articles started by me that may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline - Comes with the Fall albums, Geordie albums, Josh Clayton-Felt albums, Judybats albums, Levinhurst albums, Madfly albums, Nudeswirl albums, Presence albums, Second Coming albums - and a few that were not started by me, specifically My Sister's Machine albums...I was thinking maybe if you and a couple other editors like the idea, I could create a discography page for each of those artists and incorporate all the details - track listing, reviews, personnel - from the individual album articles on to each page. In all honesty, the only "justification" I can give for not redirecting all those individual album articles to the band/artist article, including those Sarah Fimm articles that you tagged, is that there are some in those categories that were not tagged - Near Infinite Possibility, Red Yellow Sun, etc. Was there a reason why you did not tag those last two Sarah Fimm album articles? What did you think of my proposal? Shaneymike (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, this sounds like a good way to retain some of the information. The ones which weren't tagged/redirected seem to be ones with reviews referenced, and reviews can go towards GNG or WP:NALBUM. However, I've looked properly at them now and they are not reliable sources. Thanks for all your hard work, Boleyn (talk) 18:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Very well then, I'll see what I can come up. Thank you very much. Shaneymike (talk) 19:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I was just about to create a subpage, like I did over on the Game of Thrones Wiki for adding details to a locked page since I wasn't an admin at that time, titled User:Shaneymike/Sarah Fimm discography and move all the information on to there so I can work on it and redirect those articles to it for the time being. But I see that isn't allowed. No biggie. Before I go to bed tonight, I'll do like I've always done when drafting articles and copy and paste the important information from those articles onto a Word document so I can work on it. Shaneymike (talk) 16:50, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Anne Hull Grundy[edit]

Hi! Please can you comment on why you've tagged this article as a not-notable person? Her art collections were first rate and her gifts to museums in the UK provided deep coverage of 18/19 century European & Japanese decorative art in this country. I have provided academic and news citations as well. Feanor0 (talk)

James Mayer (1920-1944), Mauritian spy[edit]

Hi, Boleyn, I noticed your revert as well as your comment, but the article does exist. In your opinion, should I add it again or leave it as it is? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello Lotje, thanks for your message. Dabs are essentially indexes off articles existing in English WP and Mayer didn't have one, nor did it meet MOS:DABRL or MOS:DABMENTION. From the information you gave, I wrote an article. If you know anything about him, please look it over, it's very basic at the moment. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 00:15, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Melissa Day[edit]

A tag has been placed on Melissa Day requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G6 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

  • disambiguates two or fewer extant Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
  • disambiguates no (zero) extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. st170etalk 09:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, St170e, sorry for the delayed response. This disambiguation page has two entries which meet MOS:DABMENTION. I can't see how it is against MOS:D guidelines or how it would be better for readers if it was deleted. At the moment, if someone types in 'Melissa Day', they have a disambiguation page which lists the 2 MDs we have information on in Wikipedia, and disambiguates the two articles (blue links) where readers can find out a little more. You could consider AfD if you still disagree, although \I have seen several like this taken to AfD and all kept. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I originally speedied because I didn't think that it was necessary to have a disambiguation page for such a minor mention. But I do see where you're coming from, I'll leave it as it stands. Thanks for responding! st170etalk 16:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Michael J Shannon[edit]

Stroll on! I'm working on it. It's work in progress. You don't waste any time do you? I've only created it about 5 mins ago. MidnightBlue (Talk) 12:55, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Norman N. Hsu for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Norman N. Hsu is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman N. Hsu until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. SW3 5DL (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello SW3 5DL, I moved the article but an IP created it, repeatedly overwriting another page to do so leading to me moving it. I haven't researched it recently, but from a quick look, notability doesn't seem definite. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it. Thanks for letting me know. He's like the other fellow who ran against him for school board Jay Chen. Both ran for school board, both had issues there, resigned/voted off, then both had unsuccessful runs for Congress. Both seem related with some of the same editors. Neither are notable. Sources only mention them tangentially. I was actually looking for Norman Hsu as I'd read something about him and wondered if he had an article here. This fellow pops up and I was wondering what all the fuss was about until I figured our this wasn't the droid I was looking for. Have a Happy New Year! SW3 5DL (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Lights ablaze.JPG

Thank you very much, Bzuk! Hope you've had a great Christmas and will have a great 2017. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve Lauren Jauregui[edit]

Hi, I'm ONUnicorn. Boleyn, thanks for creating Lauren Jauregui!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Most of the sources used, with the exception of the Billboard articles, are not independent sources, but are created/managed by the topic of the article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, ONUnicorn, thanks for your message, I created this as a redirect and didn;y=t know an IP had turned it into an article. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Oops, sorry about that. The page curation tools automatically place that message. I should have cut and pasted it to the IP's page. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

No problem, I think it is good for the page creator to know as they've obviously had a little bit of interest in the title. Thanks for trying to improve the article, Boleyn (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Once again, sorry for the SPI backlog... Facepalm3.svg Facepalm GABgab 16:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week seeking nominations (and a new facilitator)[edit]

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Melville FC merge proposal[edit]

Hi, I just saw the proposal to merge Melville City FC - I'm happy to expand on the article instead, along with several others of the Western Australian Football West State League Division 1 and Football West State League Division 2 teams - I just wont have time until February 2017 as I'm travelling for work throughout January. Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Matilda Maniac, thanks for looking at it. We don't usualy have articles on semi=pro teams, do you think it could meet WP:CLUB or WP:GNG?Best eishes, Boleyn (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Ayşe Sultan[edit]

I cannot understand why you insist on reverting my edits.To begin with,the very introduction of that page is wrong,as the list actually includes three wives and a daughter.Also,Murad IV's and Osman II's wives are both confirmed to have held the title of Haseki Sultan and thus should be credited as such.The fact that the page hasn't been updated for some time doesn't mean it doesn't need to,you know.Do be so kind as to restore the page to it's proper form. Chris Liak (talk) 22:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I think my edit summaries explained about the piping, overlinking etc and being overlengthy and directed you to the guidelines on this at MOS:DABENTRY. If there are changes to be made, that's fine, but please, only within the guidelines, and please read - and write - edit summaries. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Richard Tomlins[edit]

You're too quick for me. I just created an article for the third Richard Tomlins, Richard Tomlins (merchant). (And there's a fourth, a stationer...)

Let me know if you think 3-way hatnotes would still be better than the Richard Tomlins (disambiguation) page. - PKM (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, on further thought, since all three Richard Tomlins were previously conflated in one article, I think the hatnotes are preferable. Thanks for forcing me to think about this. - PKM (talk) 23:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, PKM, sorry if I caused confusion. I think if there's a fourth, a dab is probably the best option, with three it doesn't matter much either way. I actually thought the dead red link for the merchant was a confusion with the MP as dates seemed same. Thanks for creating the article, Boleyn (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

George Horsey (died 1645)[edit]

George Horsey (died 1645) died 1640, according to the ODNB. I appreciate parliament seems to see things differently. I presume you have an ODNB login, but if not, please let me know. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

If they are one & the same, then your article is also a duplicate of George Horsey (landowner) :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:01, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Well done, Tagishsimon, I actually looked at that article when looking for duplication and didn't spot a connection, both have concentrated on different aspects of his life. I've nominated them for a merge, though not sure what title should be, as year of death is in dispute and (landowner) seems ironic when he died owning nothing. Thanks for your help, Boleyn (talk) 09:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

A possible DAB I found that was linked to another one[edit]

Okay hope you had a great Christmas and New Year! Here is one I just found on the new page feed: Michael Norris (which is connected to Mike Norris. Wgolf (talk) 00:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

One I just found Frankie Byrne (should be linked to Frank Byrne then also). Wgolf (talk) 03:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Technical requested moves[edit]

About this CSD: I've found that taking WP:MALPLACED dab pages to WP:RMT gets fast results. They're rarely contested. — Gorthian (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

Many thanks for helping with the Killea DAB page-RFD (talk) 16:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Redlinks in disambiguation pages[edit]

I see that in your edit summary here you linked to MOS:DABRL. That section which you linked to says, amongst other things, "Do not create red links to articles that are unlikely ever to be written, or are likely to be removed as insufficiently notable topics." Don't you think that applies in this case? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:37, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, James. I had a quick look before I re-added them and I didn't see anything to suggest they were non-notable, or that the redlinks they have in articles are wrong. With the redlinks, readers can click on them and then 'What links here' to get the full list of mentions they have on Wikipedia, as both are mentioned in more than one article. I think this is much more helpful to readers. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Benjamin Hobbs[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing inappropriate pages, such as Benjamin Hobbs, is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Atlantic306 (talk) 13:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

    • Hi, sorry for this message, happened because you created the redirect which the hoax was published on, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 13:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Douglas Gardner[edit]

A tag has been placed on Douglas Gardner requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G6 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either

  • disambiguates two or fewer extant Wikipedia pages and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic); or
  • disambiguates no (zero) extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title.

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:41, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

A new one to make a DAB I just found[edit]

Here Martin Butler. Wgolf (talk) 03:38, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

And another one Jason Snell. Wgolf (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Also Christopher Nelson, which does not have a hatnote-yet I have found Christopher Nelson (makeup artist), and with a name like this there is bound to be more then 2 on here. Wgolf (talk) 21:48, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
also Brian McLean. Wgolf (talk) 21:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

YesY Boleyn (talk) 09:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

"Contemporary" in person disambiguation items[edit]

Hi Boleyn, generally, I agree with you that the text should be kept short in order not to waste readers' time. However, indicating the life span is undoubtedly useful (and recommended by MOS:DABPEOPLE); so in case where no birth or death date is available and the person is still living, using "contemporary" is the best life span information I could up with. If you have a better suggestion, please let me know.

The use even of "contemporary" may be illustrated with the reason I visited the David Forsyth page: I was trying to identify the persons on the image File:PSM V68 D015 British association members of the voyage.png. Its description says "... Prof. Forsyth ..." and "... 1905 ...". So I read through Forsyth (surname), ruling out all people born after, say, 1890, and checking the target articles of the rest. This way, I eventually came to David Forsyth, where I proceeded in the same way. The appearance of "contemporary" in an entry indicated that I could rule it out, and thus saved me time. In case no life space indicator was present at all, I had to look up the target article. I think the article lookup-time saved by "contemporary" is far greater than the reading time wasted, so overall it's worth to use that word.

For this reason, I thought - and still think - something like "contemporary" should be given in person entries, if no other life span indicator is available. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For working on getting Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from August 2008 cleared. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 14:59, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, GeoffreyT2000, that's much appreciated. Thank you for your work in this area too - I can't belong CAT:NN has an almost 9 year backlog now, but at least we can try to resolve the older tags. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Twinkle apparently screwed up a deletion nom you made[edit]

It looks like Twinkle screwed up and didn't properly complete the listing for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cruising Association, so I manually added the proper headers and transcluded it. I think I fixed everything, but there might still be some arcane thing that I got wrong. Just wanted to let you know that I edited your deletion nomination to fix this stuff. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting this. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2[edit]

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All of these articles you are creating (which some are not necessary at all and I've requested that most of them should be merged with other pages), you've written that they are reality TV participants. Or they have participated in shows such as Geordie Shore or Ex on the Beach. They have appeared in these shows, you cannot participate in them. They're not gameshows. Also you made a page for Zahida Allen who has only appeared in 3 episodes on EOTB so far, her series of GS hasn't even got a start date yet - and it hasn't even been confirmed by MTV that she's a cast member yet (highly likely I know) - so why does she need a page? And again she isn't a participant. ThisIsDanny (talk) 14:14, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I disagree - it, I would consider them participants, but you are welcome to change any wording you like. You should also inform creators if you nominate a page for deletion. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 16:33, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Steven Wilson[edit]

Hi, the album is absolutely 110% notable it reached 59 in the UK charts. Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

it also charted in 3 other countries. Lukejordan02 (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Lukejordan02, that's an interesting link and one I will use again. In UK terms, anything outside the Top 40 is considered to have failed to chart - I don't know for the other charts you've mentioned. Thanks for looking into it, Boleyn (talk) 15:05, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Drive-by tagging[edit]

I am not saying you are the only person to do this, but I am getting a little fed up with the amount of drive-by tagging consisting of people adding an unreferenced tag to articles which any fool could see does have at least one reference. You did it recently to Sopio Gvetadze and another. Maybe the referencing could be improved, but that's another matter. PatGallacher (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

PatGallacher, there was no need for a rude message like that. That article does not have any references - it has an external links section, which may or may not have been used in the sources. Boleyn (talk) 07:59, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Boleyn, I have some sympathy with Pat here: the template produced from the unref tag says "This biography of a living person does not include any references or sources.", and I've always understood that a link in External links is generally considered as a source. Certainly it's enough to avoid a BLP PROD. In fact Twinkle instructs editors not to use {{BLP unsourced}} for "new" articles (I think meaning post-2010). Perhaps {{no footnotes}} would have been a more appropriate tag (I've just added it while I was looking at the Sopio article), possibly also {{BLP sources}} if you don't think the External links support the content of the article. PamD 15:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, PamD, I'm afraid when I find people's messages rude (especially when I've been working really hard on the backlog of new pages) I don't tend to have any sympathy. I agree the wording on the 'no footnotes' tag is very appropriate for ones like this. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 15:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Kara Mustafa[edit]

Hi Boleyn, I wonder why you have redirected Kara Mustafa Pasha (disambiguation) to Kara Mustafa Pasha. There are other people named Kara Mustafa Pasha and this name needs a disambiguation. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:19, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. From what I can gather, this question is about edits I made 6 years ago and the page in question has since been deleted, so I'm afraid I can't giv e you an answer. If after looking at WP:3DABS you feel a dab page is better than the double hatnote, feel free to create it. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

RE: A page you started (Khalid Abu Bakar) has been reviewed![edit]

  • Added secondary references to address both the Primary Sources issue and the Notability issue. Removed the notice templates off the page, please re-add and let me know if further changes are required. --Pavithran (talk) 10:48, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Pavithran. Boleyn (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

RE: Vitaliy_Skotsyk[edit]

Boleyn The source for this page has been added Please, delete the tag — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:38, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for adding a source. Sources should be added into the text of the article, with [1], rather than in a list att he bottom. The tag isn't saying that there are no sources, but that it is unclear which bit of information came from where because the sources are not 'inline', at the end of the sentence in the text. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:06, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ in front and ending in

RE: Nomination of Oswaldo González for deletion[edit]

Hi, How more time have i to wait for your decision? In the mean time the article shows a very hugle tag visible for all people in the net. Dr Oswaldo A. González L. is important composer (not media-famous as others) and also an important researcher in the field of Music Morphology. He has in fact two principal activities, one: Musician and two: Researcher.

We saw a lot of other Composers' Wiki pages and those pages are really less documented and these pages are in place without any tag. So, my question is: How more time I have to wait?

If it is impossible to you to know how more time to wait, then I will simply eliminate the Dr Oswaldo González' article.

Best wishes,

˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sytars (talkcontribs) 09:48, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Sytars, thanks for your message. Whether the article is deleted or not is decided by a discussion, so isn't up to me as an individual - please do contribute to the discussion linked on the page. The discussions are kept open for a week, sometimes two if there is a lack of comments or a lack of consensus. You're clearly very interested in this person, so it may be worth you looking at WP:PROF, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. These links explain simply and concisely the guidelines for notability for someone such as this, and you could then add to deletion discussion how you feel he meets this criteria. Lots of articles are kept after a deletion discussion, as it can be difficult to assess notability. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:04, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

RE: Nomination of Oswaldo González for deletion[edit]

Hello (sir or Madam),


You're clearly very interested in this person, so it may be worth you looking at WP:PROF, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG.

Sytars: Yes, of course. Did you see that for example :

1. CENTRO STUDI LUCIANO BERIO - - A Formalized Analysis of Luciano Berio's Erdenklavier for Piano Solo: An Undulatory Approach, by Oswaldo González. Dr. González (as researcher and composer) contribute to Luciano Berio's musical work.

2. FRENCH INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH IN COMPUTER SCIENCE AND AUTOMATION - The Undulatory Analysis: a Morphological Approach to Musical Analysis -

3. Contemporary Music Composers database from IRCAM (France)

4. The Contemporary Music Portal, France - Oswaldo González' Willows (1992) for soprano and string trio

YOU: it can be difficult to assess notability.

Have you take a minute to see, for example, that:

1. Oswaldo González' biography - official home page

2. International Composition Session 'Voix Nouvelles' 1992, program concert.

3. A world of COMPOSERS - News from Royaumont July 2000, celebrating 20 years of Voix Nouvelles Academy

4. "The undulatory analysis : A morphological approach to musical analysis, PhD thesis in Arts and Sciences of the Arts, Paris 2010.".

5. "A Formalized Analysis of Luciano Berio's Erdenklavier for Piano Solo: An Undulatory Approach, by Oswaldo González.".

6. "MTO Dissertation Index". Retrieved 2017-01-24.

Authority control

   WorldCat Identities VIAF: 194110305 ISNI: 0000 0003 5712 0452 SUDOC: 145588866 MusicBrainz: 3a1c3ea7-5256-4569-920f-1a6f9e2f41e6   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sytars (talkcontribs) 13:44, 9 February 2017 (UTC) 

... no comments ...

˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sytars (talkcontribs) 13:37, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Need Help[edit]

User:MezzoMezzo is continuously editing my contribution in order to force only his own point of view. Its looking as if he boss over here , please help me how to escape his edits. Saudmujadidi (talk) 17:43, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Saudmujadidi, which article(s) are the two of you disagreeing on? I'm happy to look it over. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Even though you can see my contributions on the page are more.

Thanks for your interest. --Saudmujadidi (talk) 11:47, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, looks like this is resolved, but if not, you may want to leave a message on a relevant Wikiproject, I'm afraid this isn't an area I know much about. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Arithmetices principia, nova methodo exposita[edit]



Peano's Axioms in their Historical Context (Michael Segre) Archive for History of Exact Sciences

A Brief History of Infinity: The Quest to Think the Unthinkable (Brian Clegg)

be enough to satisfy WP:TBK ? Both refs (an academic paper and popular history book) contain multiple mentions of the work as being historically significant (if that were not made obvious enough by the fact that fundamental symbols used in modern mathematics are lifted straight from it).

It may be a while before I have time to make the changes to the article. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 13:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually I just went ahead and added the sources, then removed the templates. Let me know via my talk page / the article's / ping if there are further concerns. There are interesting things in the sources that I might use later on to enrich the article. Cheers, — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 18:51, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work, it looks good now. Boleyn (talk) 09:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Very well then, thanks for the review (I had mostly forgotten the stub's existence, actually). — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 10:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Karl Leimer[edit]

Hi: I have added a reference to this article, as requested. I missed this originally because of the rather idiosyncratic way references are cited on German wikipedia - still, I should have seen it! Piedmont (talk) 15:38, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for adding this, Piedmont, and doing it so quickly. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 15:40, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Richard Myddelton (17th century)[edit]

Just come across this stub of yours while working through the History of Parliament - I know it's years on, but do you recall where you found the reference to him? According to HoP the MP for Denbigh Boroughs in 1601 was John Panton, and Denbighshire was John Salusbury. There was a Myddelton in 1604, but definitely a different man.

However, the HoP entry for John Panton, who they have as the 1601 MP, suggests something a little odd was going on - for some reason the election was delayed a few months until just before the end of the session, so Panton never took his seat that year. Any ideas on what we can do with this one? Andrew Gray (talk) 23:42, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Back then I wasn't careful enough about the references and would have taken it from the Wikipedia constituency page. I've looked but can't find a source to back it up - I guess it probably should be deleted. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 09:23, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Great, will sort it out. Thanks! Andrew Gray (talk) 11:25, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections[edit]

Your last chance to nominate yourself or any New Page Reviewer, See Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Coordination. Elections begin Monday 20 February 23:59 UTC. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:17, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

User Hillbillyholiday[edit]

Hi Boleyn, I've just seen your message on Hillbillyholiday's talk page - you might want to take a look at it as he seems to have retired from editing. (A long story which I don't know in detail, but it would seem to be related to WP's recent decision to no longer regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source - a discussion he initiated, and which made the news around the world - and the subsequent attention he claimed his mother had received from its journalists as a result, and possibly some angry posts he made in response.) Whatever the circumstances, Hillbillyholiday will be sadly missed here. Best wishes JezGrove (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. A real shame when situations blow up like that, we need dedicated editors. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:33, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Brunonia Barry notability[edit]

Hi- thanks for reviewing the Brunonia Barry entry. I just want some clarification as I expand the entry. What is the question regarding notability. She is a New York Times best selling author who has won international awards. I have six quality sources in the entry from sources like Publishers Weekly and NPR. In my experience as an editor, this demonstrates notability. Since you weren't specific about what is lacking, can you help me focus? --LibraryGurl (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I can't see what I was thinking, sorry. I've removed the tags. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! It did get the entry some attention and improvement, so no harm done. --LibraryGurl (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

hi Boleyn, i was surprised to see the tags you left on the Barry page, i was going to remove them but see you beat me to it (i should have been more WP:BOLD and just got rid of them), as a wikikit am happy to receive some fish for hesitating to remove tags put in place by such an experienced editorFace-smile.svg Coolabahapple (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Atana (disambiguation)[edit]

I just noticed that you removed the definition I entered for the disambiguation of Atana (alternate spelling of Greek name Athena) Why?--dchmelik (t|c) 04:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Maybe someone else, or a bot did that, or you did that when there was some process of deletion going on (could have been the reason.) I'm just wondering what the format of the page should be to include the meanings in four or five different langauges, then a related word in two or more others... probably the main article (one one of the four language meanings) should be moved, so I opened a discussion request for that.--dchmelik (t|c) 05:21, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

So, you actually did do it and didn't say anything. That's not very helpful. ‘Links’ aren't just self-reference. There are sources for what I say.--dchmelik (t|c) 09:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't really understand what you are saying. I have edited this disambiguation page several times and looked it over again this morning - I'm sorry that you were offended that I didn't reply instantly but I didn't have time to do it all this morning. As for the links, that is not how a dab works - see WP:DAB or MOS:D. Dabs are essentially indexes and we only link to articles which mention that term. Boleyn (talk) 12:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I wasn't really even offended, just disappointed, but apparently I wasn't being formal enough a few years ago and forgot formatting since then. However, I found, and one of the other editors who disagreed then agreed, that the Athena article does actually refer to Atana (‘A-ta-na,’ in which the hypens aren't part of the word, and ‘At(h)ana,’ in which the ‘h’ is optional, so necessarily there are both versions with and without it,) so (s)he re-added it.--dchmelik (t|c) 13:38, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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The Linneaus Museum[edit]

Thank you for the encouraging words! I have now added a few references to the page. I assumed that the translation template could work as a source, but I see that the template has been moved to the discussion page instead. I hope that the new sources will work better than the translation template.
Best regards, MartinJacobson (talk) 19:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that was impressively quick! Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Perfect! Then I will remove the improvement tag. Best regards MartinJacobson (talk) 20:17, 21 February 2017 (UTC)