User talk:Boleyn

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User:Boleyn is the same editor as User:Boleyn2 and User:Boleyn3. I used to use the three log-ins to increase my watchlist, but they can now all fit on one.

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I'm editing much less than I used to, so please don't be surprised if a reply takes several days. I will reply as soon as I'm back editing.


Renomination of Matthew Lynn at AfD[edit]

Hi - I saw you recently nominated this article for deletion and just wanted to let you know I've re-nominated it: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Lynn (2nd nomination). Paradoxsociety 08:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Notability backlog[edit]

I’ve noticed on a few talk pages that you’re looking to try and clear the notability backlog - how can I help? I’ve been working through a few in the last few days but if there’s a plan to help coordinate, I’d love to help! Cardiffbear88 (talk) 18:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

thanks, user:Cardiffbear88, I was delighted to get your message. I have worked on the backlog on and off for 10 years but I have never been aware of any coordinaion, which is a shame for such an important topic. I am keen to continue helping but my skills are more as a gnome than co ordinating. I have started a discussion at talk page of wikiproject notability that it would be great if you could join. I think there are a few people out there working on the backlog but in isolation and we could really do with recruiting more. Boleyn (talk) 05:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
@Cardiffbear88: I think it's less by way of coordination needed (among other things, we don't need accusations of collusion) and more along the lines of just digging in. I picked up on this because Boleyn came to the Notability (sports) talk page with a query on whether one of the backlogged articles met notability standards, and decided to dig in myself. We've both been independently working at the back end of the list (in 2009), but nothing says you can't dive in pretty much anywhere. If five minutes' investigation shows a subject can meet notability standards, great, remove the tag; if not, PROD, redirect, merge, AfD, whatever you think is appropriate. Ravenswing 20:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Just a note that I've picked up on this as well and … wow … Amazing the trash that can sit around for literally a decade. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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I can't find my trout. If you go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Nations in popular culture you might find it.

Bearian (talk) 01:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

As you'll probably have seen, I withdrew the nomination after reading through the comments, they were very convincing. Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Jerry Bennett[edit]

Looks like you reverted a change for Jerry Bennett. Take a look at the note I left at Talk:Jerry Bennett. If you keep your revert, it's acceptable but the birth year is wrong anyways. SWP13 (talk) 18:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I've responded at the talk page. Boleyn (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Andreas, Prince of Leiningen[edit]

The AfD for this page has not been completed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andreas, Prince of Leiningen. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

AfD nomination[edit]

Hi Boleyn. It looks like you started an AfD nomination for Andreas, Prince of Leiningen, but didn't create the actual discussion page. I've reverted everything for the moment, so there's a clean slate if you want to start again. I hope that's okay - all the best, ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 18:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I re-formatted the nomination. Boleyn (talk) 17:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Price[edit]

Look at the Lawrence Price disambiguation page. The first link is to Laurence Price which is a different spelling. The second Lawrence Price (rugby) isn't linked but has a link to London Irish where he isn't mentioned. The third, a redlink, is to Lawrence Price (politician) and a link to United States Senate elections, 1916 where he is mentioned as a losing candidate and so not eligible for a Wikipedia article. There is no need for a disambiguation page at that particular name. Far better to merge them into one disambigation page at Larry Price. Or redirect it to Laurence Price and hatnote that article to the United States Senate elections, 1916 but not the rugby page. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 21:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, user:CambridgeBayWeather. Dabs are there to list, in this case, all Lawrence/Laurence Prices mentioned on WP. They don't need an article to be a valid entry, they need to meet MOS:DABMENTION / MOS:DABRL. Laurence and Lawrence are the same name, pronounced the same, with a slightly different spelling that would be an easy mistake for anyone to make - they go together. None of the Larrys state in their articles that they are a Laurence/Lawrence, but the Larrys have a link in the see also section. 3 entries plus 2 see alsos is plenty for a dab. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) (Followed this out of curiosity, and got into a right spat over Laurence!) Actually the Irish rugby player is no longer mentioned in the target article: he was in the infobox in 2012 when the link was made, but they've changed captains, updated the infobox, and don't have a list of former captains in the article. Interesting, there may be thousands of similar now-unmentioned redirects or dab page entries, as time moves on! Quite agree that Lawrence/Laurence shouldn't redirect to Larry. PamD 07:41, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually only captain of their Amateur team (now at London Irish Amateur - but still with no list of past captains!). PamD 07:49, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
So then based on MOS:DABMENTION the rugby player shouldn't be in the disambiguation page. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
No, not any more as the original reference isn't there any more. Boleyn (talk) 17:34, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Stephen Lacey[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Stephen Lacey requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a disambiguation page which either

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Hi, user:Poydoo, thanks for letting me know, and I hope you understand the reasons behind the tag being removed. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 17:35, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

International Congress on Tuberculosis[edit]

Hi; earlier in the year you placed a notice of proposed deletion on my talk page. I don't know if you're the editor who proposed the deletion, because it seems to have been successfully deleted (though fortunately re-created) and I can't find any trace of the deletion discussion. But just in case you're the one who began the deletion process I wanted to make sure you know that notability is not temporary—a series of scientific conferences which happened for more than a decade concerning a disease which is still the number one worldwide cause of death as an individual infectious disease (see List of causes of death by rate § Detailed table) and which appeared in bazillions of medical journal citations and notes during the twentieth century does not become non-notable because time has passed. Cheers, ▸₷truthiousandersnatch 13:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Hell, user:Struthious Bandersnatch, I'm afraid it's not one I recall or can see clearly now, but yes, notability is absoluteley not temporary. Thanks for your hard work,

Boleyn (talk) 17:37, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"Wayne Lineker" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

Information.svg A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wayne Lineker. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 September 23#Wayne Lineker until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Bernat (talk) 14:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, after changes to the target page, it is definitely not a valid redirect. Boleyn (talk) 17:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Reviewing prods[edit]

Hi Boleyn... I noticed that you marked as reviewed several articles which had been prodded. Just a heads up that per a discussion at NPP, it was decided not to "review" articles marked with prod or CSD'd. You can find the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers/Archive 30#Should we stop marking articles tagged with CSD and PROD as 'reviewed' now that we can filter them in the NewPagesFeed?. Thanks for helping out at NPP.Onel5969 TT me 20:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Boleyn. I just got a notification that an article I started was reviewed by you. Could you let me know what that means? Regards --Awellmann (talk) 19:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi, user:Awellmann, it means that I have approved it as part of WP:New Page Patrol and it can now be indexed by search engines. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your reply, much appreciated. Regards --Awellmann (talk) 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

About your message to user talk.[edit]

re [[1] : this user plays some weird games with user names. THe user talk page page you left your message is a redirect to another user page.

The actually editing account is Aojfoisdifni89hub (talk · contribs), but there are also three other user names (and their talk pages) that are redirects: User:SKarctic and User:Arcticskulk, user:Tyanc13and7 and User talk:Aojfoisdifni89hub redirects to User talk:Arcticskulk.

Therefore I am not sure the user will see your notice.

Also, if you are admin, I would suggest to block the improper and confusing usage of user space, if not, do you know where to file a complaint? The user seems to ignore talk page messages. Staszek Lem (talk) 05:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

P.S. This user is also messing with disambig and surname pages. ignoring comments in user talk page. I also noticed their first edit is in 2015 Staszek Lem (talk) 05:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, user:Staszek Lem, thanks for letting me know. I'm not an admin, but you could take the concern to WP:ANI for admin assistance. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 06:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

"prepend"[edit]

Hallo Boleyn

On some user's talk page I noticed a helpful message from you which amongst other things suggested they reply to you but "prepend" it with {{ping|Boleyn}}. I wonder if that isn't perhaps a rather obscure word: would "start with" be clearer for editors, many of whom aren't first-language English speakers. Especially as it includes "end", which suggests the opposite. (I'm pretty sure I wouldn't know the equivalent term in a couple of languages of which I've got a basic knowledge). Happy Editing! PamD 07:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi user:PamD, it's not a word I can recall ever reading before, but I guess I've learnt something new :) I'm not sure what template that is, but I guess it's something automated/sem-automated via Twinkle? Definitely not my wording. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 09:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, if I see it again I'll look a bit more closely. I thought it was a bit of "boilerplate" of your own (I've got a couple of ready-made talk page posts in User:PamD/sandbox for stuff I often want to say). PamD 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
See your 14 June message at User talk:Szabiao. Seems to be part of NPP. PamD 05:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#"Prepend"_and_"And,_". I don't do NPP except sometimes a blitz on redirects, so I'm not sure where in the system this wording comes from but interestingly it's in two quite different messages as cited here. I hope we can get it improved. PamD 07:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for tagging Missouri Route 4[edit]

Tysm for tagging the page ;) TrentoninSpringfieldMissouri (talk) 11:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The page Dolphin Nature Conservation Society has been reviewed[edit]

Thank you very much for reviewing the page Dolphin Nature Conservation Society. with regards, Dr. M. Rama Murty --Bmantha (talk) 03:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Artyom Ponikarov[edit]

You draftified this and it's now been moved back to mainspace unchanged. PamD 07:47, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Boleyn (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

1989-90 Norwich City FC season[edit]

For goodness sake, what more do you want? All of the information in the article was obtained from the references listed. Why have you taken it upon yourself to declare it "not good enough"? It's written to the same standard as several other similar articles. It's attitudes like this that stop people contributing to Wikipedia. Skteosk (talk) 16:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

So...you're just going to ignore me then? Just get rid of someone else's work with no explanation beyond a vague "Under-referenced"? What references do you think the page needs and doesn't have? All the information on the page came from the sources listed. From books mostly, since that's how information was recorded in 1990. Seriously, what references does a page like that have to have that weren't there? There's an infobox which doesn't have any references in it, but most infoboxes of that type, both for recent seasons and for vintage ones, don't have references in them. There's a squad list, which doesn't really quote a reference, but again, I'm seeing plenty of other squad lists which don't quote a reference. There's a table of transfers: Fair enough, similar lists on other pages have references, but there are other pages of a similar vintage, from what are basically pre-internet years, which don't quote any references and you're not going around deleting them from main space. So, I'll say again, in the hope of getting an answer this time: What do you want? Page references from the source material? What was so wrong about that page that it justifies you striking it through with a red line and saying "Do it again"? Skteosk (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
What's wrong with the page? Skteosk (talk) 16:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, user:Skteosk. Please don't send me messages like this - if you're wanting advice and to work with someone, then be civil. I also have a sign at the top of my page so people know I'm not editing regularly right now - I won't always get to everything on the few occasions I can get on for a few minutes, especially if it is something that needs careful looking into. I don't think the article needs to be 'done again'. It now has references - not inline, so not great, but they are there. Just click on the button to submit via AFC. When you've created a few pages with references, you will probably be auto-confirmed and not have to worry about it being checked by New Page Patrol. Thanks for your hard work on this, 18:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, I apologise if I was abrupt. I am still a little confused, since the page was deleted/moved to draft after I added the references: I haven't done any editing on it since then. (I have been doing some work in my sandbox but that's another matter.) So, was it deleted/moved by mistake and it actually might be okay? Skteosk (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi user:Sktesok, I can't see the full history of it but I'm sorry if I made a mistake. Definitely put it though AFC and they will keep you right. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 15:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
I've submitted it so hopefully I'll get a response at some point. Full page history is here. Skteosk (talk) 08:37, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Approval[edit]

Hi, I saw you already approved one of my coaching pages I was wondering if you could look at my DeMarcus Covington page that was denied and see if my improvements would make it wiki ready now thank you. Bigmike2346 (talk) 16:10, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Well done, it's looking good! Boleyn (talk) 18:04, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Calvin Simms[edit]

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Hello, user:Poydoo. You've nominated a couple of these; if you want to discuss dabs and MOS:DABMENTION, do feel free to message me here or on the Wikiproject. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

"John Derek (disambiguation)" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

Information.svg A discussion is taking place to address the redirect John Derek (disambiguation). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 17#John Derek (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, there have been changes since I created it, I don't have any strong opinions. Thanks for letting me know, Boleyn (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of 4Mag Nitrous for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 4Mag Nitrous is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4Mag Nitrous until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Emeraude (talk) 12:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)