Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alcohol use among college students

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:33, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alcohol use among college students

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This is simply WP:OR. Mrfrobinson (talk) 17:47, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 17:58, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 18:02, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I agree that this is WP:OR and potentially WP:SYNTH. However, the article does include references to reliable sources that discuss this topic and a google search shows a number of reliable sources that discuss alcohol use among college students. See, for example, this article from the Journal of Studies on Alcohol, this article from Current Opinion in Psychiatry, and this article from The Journal of Economic Perspectives. An editor will likely need to WP:BLOWITUP and start from scratch, but WIkipedia policy states that "[i]f editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page" (see WP:ATD). -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:00, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ KEEP (the article as it is now is OR). The opening sentence says: "College drinking is the consumption of alcohol by students on the campus of any college or university." Who says so? I've never heard of "college drinking." Although Alcohol consumption by youth in the United States by college students, on or off campus, is a notable topic (in the USA anyway). Kitfoxxe (talk) 23:18, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kitfoxxe, I agree that this is blatant WP:OR, but that alone is not sufficient grounds for deletion when notability has been established by reliable sources (see my comments above and WP:DEL-REASON). Rather, it just means we need to improve the article. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least we need to change the opening sentence. Kitfoxxe (talk) 11:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changed vote to Keep. Topic is notable and important.Kitfoxxe (talk) 16:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't particularly disagree that this is a really poor article, especially at the beginning, but I'm not seeing grounds for deletion. I wouldn't say this is original research, though WP:SYNTH may well be relevant. But we're here to discuss the topic of the article. As such, inclusion guidelines concern whether it's encyclopedic, whether it can be verified from reliable sources, and whether it's notable. These are properties of the topic, not the article as presented. I'm no academic, but I guarantee that any editor here, can, in 5 minutes, come up with books, journal articles, and extensive media coverage of alcohol use among college students and its broad societal implications. Someone should post the appropriate flags to the article to improve its substance, but the topic clearly merits inclusion. --69.204.153.39 (talk) 02:53, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SYNTH is part of WP:OR. The vary nature of the topic is original research/SYNTH.Mrfrobinson (talk) 17:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As it is now it is poor condition but the topic seems notable. Dimadick (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.