Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nergis Sultan

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nergis Sultan

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The page was previously created under the title Nergisşah Sultan. As the original article didn't have any important material Nergisşah Sultan was redirected to Şehzade Mustafa. In July 2016, User:Mehdi.dof1 created the article again. The article doesn't make it clear why this person is notable and her name is even self-made as the only source that has a list of Mustafa's children doesn't mention the name for his elder daughter. About two-third of the article only explains the struggles between her father and his stepmother, sister, and brother-in-law. The other parts also explain how her sister got married and what her mother's ethnicity was. The subject is clearly not notable at all, and the article should probably either be deleted or redirected to Şehzade Mustafa. Keivan.f^Talk 13:03, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:46, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:46, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nergissah is mentioned on page 50 and 300 of Pierce 1993, and on page 300 it says that she was well educated and gave a funeral oration for Mustafa, based on the writings of Giovanni Maria Angiolello. Lyber (Lybyer, Albert H. "Mohammed the Conqueror." The Slavonic and East European Review 15, no. 45 (1937): 639-648.) on page 640 says that Nerzisdad was married to the eldest son of Prince Bayazid (Bayezid in the article, I guess), who was heir apparent and was assigned governor of Amasia (not sure if that is the same as Anatollia and I'm not sure if the who being referred is Bayazid or his son). Some other names used include: "Negishade" OR "Nerzisdad" OR "Negursalde" OR "Nergis-sah" OR "Nergisşah" (see the snippet at: https://books.google.com/books?id=7UzVAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22negishade%22). I don't find much more and given the incoherence of the article, my inability to interpret references based in Angiolello's writing, and the fact that I am not familiar enough with Ottoman court politics to know whether a figure like this is likely to be notable, I can't really !vote keep. Smmurphy^(Talk) 21:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Smmurphy Hi and thanks for introducing a few reliable sources. But could you be more specific, please? Because I want to know whether she was a notable figure or not. Obviously she was the daughter of a prince and a granddaughter of a sultan, and probably was also married to her uncle's son. (?) (As long as I know Bayezid, son of Suleiman and Hurrem, was the governor of Amasya for a period of time; although I'm not sure the sentence refers to which Bayezid as I haven't read what the source says). So if there's enough biographical information about her life that proves she was a notable person, then I hold no prejudice to the article being rewritten and done with reliable sources. Keivan.f^Talk 02:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neutral for her, especially compared to some of the other consorts you've nominated. I added my research to this page so that if anyone else wants, they can look at it and see if they can find more. Also, if the article is not deleted, the material could be added. My opinion is that she is notable, but I'm not sure that the evidence I've found meets the level of notability suggested by wikipedia policy. Sorry for the non-answer answer. Smmurphy^(Talk) 17:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

~~Redirect~~Delete - Since it has been a while and no one seems to have found anything more, I'm going to recommend this page redirect to her father, Şehzade Mustafa, as Nergisşah Sultan already does. I've mentioned that she gave a funeral oration at his funeral and, frankly, I don't find anything to merge that isn't already in the page on her father. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Nergissah cited by Peirce was the daughter of another Mustafa, a son of Mehmet II and Gülşah Hatun. Therefore this daughter of Mustafa (son of Suleyman) remains unsourced and is probably invented.--Phso2 (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Invented of not, you are right about Peirce. Thus the citation to Peirce, which I did not add, seems to be unjustified. I don't really see enough anywhere else to justify the page and have changed my !vote. I wonder if the redirect, Nergisşah Sultan, should also be deleted (or re-redirected). Smmurphy^(Talk) 00:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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