Talk:Pierre Clostermann

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Some reference / justification for the "sport fisherman of international repute" would be good. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 20:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

He was member of the board of the International Game Fish Association.

What's the reference for Clostermann not being awarded the DSO ? On an official picture ca. 1946 he wears it : [1] [2]. Maybe it was awarded after the war ? 212.195.50.102 15:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

issues with the Mouchotte incident and the sinking of the SS Cap Arcona

In the sources available to me, there is no evidence of (then) Wing Commander Alan Deere wanting Clostermann to leave Biggin Hill Wing after the Mouchotte incident as described in your article. Rather the opposite, Clostermann is cited in Richard C. Smith's authorized biography on A.C. Deere as having stated that Deere was helping Clostermann in getting him transferred according to his (i.e. Clostermann's) wishes. The above statement is supported by passages in both Clostermann's "Une Sacrée Guerre" and the comic strip adaption of "The Big Show", executed by Manuel Perales ("Biggles présente: Le Grand Cirque"). Although a comic strip may seem to be no solid reference, I in this case believe that it is rather good, as Perales was friends with Clostermann and thus seems to have found Clostermann's approvement for his work. (It is obvious that actual mistakes that were present in the original book of "The Big Show" have been corrected in this comic adaption.)

Furthermore, I find no source sustaining the claim that Clostermann participated in sinking the "Cap Arcona". This claim has been made before, but the following speaks against it:

Clostermann was, at the time, attached to No 3 Squadron, flying on Tempests. The attack on the "Cap Arcona" was executed by Typhoons of No 184, No 197, No 198 and No 263 Squadrons, as your own website states (article "SS Cap Arcona"). Other sources (e.g. "Der Zweite Weltkrieg" by Janusz Piekalkiewicz, a noted historian) also claim that Typhoon aircraft carried out the attack, not Tempests.

Otherwise a very good and informative article.

A changing of the article or a comment would be appreciated.

Number of victories

Clostermann is credited with 33 victories, but by the French Air Force, cf [3]. The counting system is different with the one of the RAF. There is no distinction between individual and collective victories: an enemy shot by two pilots in collaboration is considered as one victory for each pilot. Clostermann is credited with 14 individual victories. Ground kills are a separated category, he is credited with 24 ground kills. The general tone of the article is contemptuous. For instance, Clostermann is credited with 225 trucks, 72 locomotives, 5 tanks and 2 torpedo boats, he didn't claim them destroyed.