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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 79.155.36.178 (talk) at 12:29, 26 April 2022 (→‎Requested move 26 March 2022). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Requested move 26 March 2022

Ukrainian Insurgent Army war against Russian occupation → Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance movement – Although I have always liked to recognize the Soviet Union for what it was, a Russian empire, referring to it as such on Wikipedia is too informal. Occupation here is also a POV term. Another title is needed, and since per this article's own infobox not only the UPA participated in this conflict, I am proposing "Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance movement". Maybe "movement" can be dropped. Super Ψ Dro 21:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Soviet refers to pre-1991 Soviet Union, so the page move doesn't have any relevance of it. 180.254.173.13 (talk) 07:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Soviet refers to pre-1991 Soviet Union" yeah, that's what the article is about. Super Ψ Dro 09:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance movement was from the beginning of occupation in 1917 to the end in 1991. This article is only for Ukrainian Insurgent Army resistance 1944-1950s. --Sakateka (talk) 08:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Were there more instances of armed resistance against Soviet domination apart of this and the Soviet–Ukrainian War (which shouldn't be included into this article)? If so, we could just add them into the article and expand its scope. Super Ψ Dro 13:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It was officially the Soviet Union and historians, specifically from those areas will describe it as such. It is no different as saying the government of England instead of the Government of the United Kingdom, which is as the country is known as. Also many in Ireland would like to view their period under British rule as occupation. It's too informal, too loaded and needs to maintain a neutral stance 79.155.36.178 (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, not to mention that the current title is a violation to WP:TITLE and in particular to its sections Neutrality in article titles or WP:NPOVTITLE, and Precision and disambiguation or WP:PRECISE. Leaving it as it is would create a precedent that others could avail of to push their POV which violates WP:NPOV. The article makes it clear that the Ukrainian resistance came up against Soviet Union forces in multiple parts of the article by mentioning Soviet Union. Clearly this would indicate that those Soviet Forces were more than just Russian but also from other parts of the Soviet Union, such as maybe Armenia, Belarus, Estonia, Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Moldovia, or maybe even Ukraine, as not all Ukrainians were hostile to the Soviet Union during this period that the article is documenting and many were members of the upper hierarchy within the Soviet Union including those that were the leader of the Soviet Union. In the period this article covers, according to its editor, User:Sakateka, above, 1944-1950, the leader of the Soviet Union was Joseph Stalin and he was from Georgia and not Russia and so, while I sympathise with what is currently going on in the Ukraine at the moment, we cannot condone such slippery slope actions that would place the integrity of this project into disrepute. The title of the article should therefore be changed to a neutral, more precise title. 79.155.36.178 (talk) 12:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It has been some weeks and there has been no movement on the direction of this article. I question the neutrality of this article and it's viability considering pretty much what is covered here can be viewed on Ukrainian Insurgent Army, Ukrainian Insurgent Army's fight against Nazi Germany, and the Stepan Bandera articles. However, this article, similarly to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army's fight against Nazi Germany, has some neutrality issues such as skipping over negative actions associated with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, such as the Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia amongst others. Nonetheless, that is an discussion for another day and today we need to resolve the title to a more precise, concise and neutral title. There was a similar discussion on the Talk:List of wars between Russia and Ukraine and there is currently another similar debate ongoing on the [Talk:Russian information war against Ukraine] article.

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