Talk:Deptford/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

History

The dockyard

• In 1912 The Times reported that over 4 million head of live cattle, and sheep, had been landed. - I can't find this in Times Digital Archive 1785-1985.

According to this "Over 4 million live sheep and cattle were landed and slaughtered on site" - which I take to mean during the lifetime of the market from the 1870s to world War 1, not in a single year. Pterre (talk) 14:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• In 1923 a director of the News of the World bought the site, now known as Convoys Wharf, and began to import newsprint. - The site was being used for storage by the War Office in 1923. This seems more likely to have happened in 1984 (see www.richardrogers.co.uk).

This supports the date of 1923 and the News of the World, assuming GLIAS is taken as a reliable source. Pterre (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

On the other hand, this says "Convoys was founded in 1920 as a private company by WG Speat, and was based at Convoys Wharf on the Thames until the late 1990s — a site that was once used as Henry VIII’s Royal Naval Dockyard. After initially expanding to Chatham, Convoys relocated to Kent entirely in 2000. Convoys Wharf at Deptford and Convoys the company were acquired by the News of the World in 1960 and eventually became part of the News International group." Pterre (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• Eventually the site, as with the newspaper, came into the ownership of News International. - I've looked for but can't find a reference for this.

Fixed, (from above): Old ones are the best Lloyd's List, 9 June 2009

Could WG Speat have been a director of News of the World? I've only found him elsewhere as director of an airline. Pterre (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

• Although significant investment was made on the site in the mid 1990s restrictions on heavy lorries in Greenwich town centre made it uneconomic to continue using the site as a freight wharf. - There is no mention of this in the safeguarded_wharves_05.pdf given as the reference.
• in which girls and women worked in squalor gutting animals - Deptford Foreign Cattle Market in The Times of 26 March 1884, p. 5 col. D, praises the cleanliness and hygiene of the market, e.g. "In spite of the recent hot weather, there was literally no smell, and I could have fancied I was visiting a model farm or a home dairy."

--Robkam (talk) 11:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Well observed. The gutting shed comment was added in August 2006 by Chapwithwings who no longer edits on Wikipedia. I sourced that the sheds were the topic of the play, but not that they were notorious. You are quite right, that is a POV which needs sourcing or removing. As you cannot find a source, I'll remove the comment. SilkTork *^YES! 17:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I just tracked down a reliable source for the heavy traffic. This Deptford Case Study written by Dr. Gareth Potts, BURA Director of Research, Policy and Best Practice, for University College London. Good stuff it seems. But I noticed that the wording was the same as our article and wondered if either we were guilty of a copyvio, or if Dr Potts had used us as a source. I checked the article's history, and I put the wording into the article during August 2008, a month before the Study was published - so Dr Potts had used us as his source rather than the other way round. So we can't use the Deptford Case Study as a reliable source - and I'll keep looking for where I originally found that information! SilkTork *^YES! 13:44, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The information was added by an IP account to the Convoys Wharf article in April 2006. It looks like the statement will have to be removed. SilkTork *^YES! 14:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I've merged in the recent material that Robkam added to Convoys Wharf which I think addresses the above concerns. SilkTork *^YES! 14:45, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The destruction of Woolworths by a V-2 rocket

• one V-2 rocket alone destroyed a Woolworths store in the High Street - Although this happened across the road from Deptford Town Hall, it wasn't on Deptford High Street. See New Cross Woolworths at www.flyingbombsandrockets.com or WP:New Cross

--Robkam (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Corrected to Deptford Town Hall. SilkTork *^YES! 13:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation

[1] <- incorrect change of pronunciation added by person ignorant of the correct way, referenced a "user submitted" page (invalid anyway) with little accuracy.

http://carolineld.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-do-you-say-deptford.html This gives a better idea of the situation. It's "Detford". I have changed the pronunciation to reflect this. Cannot believe it's been incorrect for nearly 2 years! 91.85.183.63 (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Deptford Park – losing links to this article?

All references to Deptford Park link here (I'm not quite sure how that's done) and it is only mentioned in passing. I'm trying to create a separate page called Deptford Park, so how would we lose the links to this article? Many thanks. Libby norman (talk) 10:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Issue resolved now and separate page created. Libby norman (talk) 10:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

GA check

I am working my way through the Good articles listed at Places; having a quick look to see if they still meet the Good article criteria. I have landed on this article. After I've had a quick look, I'll leave a note here indicating if I have concerns or not.

In general, I see the process as this: 1) Give the article a quick look to see if there are obvious issues: maintenance tags, unsourced sections, excessive media, etc, resolving any minor issues as I do so; 2) If I have concerns, open a GAR to see how serious those concerns are, resolving them myself if they are not serious; 3) If during the GAR I feel that there is significant work to be done (more than I can or am willing to do myself), I will put the GAR on hold and notify the main contributors.

My aim and intention is to keep the article listed - I would rather the article was improved and kept listed than the article is delisted. Where a delisting seems likely due to the amount or nature of work needed being greater than I am able to do alone, and the main contributors are unavailable or unable for whatever reason to do the work, then appropriate WikiProjects will be notified at least seven days before a delisting would take place. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:23, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Y OK. No issues. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 21:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC)