User talk:Guerillero

TFL notification

Hi, Guerillero. After I saw your message, I decided to just schedule your list for the 19th. The other list was a music-related page anyway, and I have no issue pushing that appearance back a bit for an article that has more date relevance. The blurb is here for your reviewing pleasure. Cheers. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Edit war?

Thank you for your closure of this enforcement request and for the advice about avoiding walls of text that no one will read - I'll try my best to follow your advice. As I'm not very experienced about conflict resolution here, could you please tell me if this looks like a violation of the 3RR to you: User:Gitz6666/sandbox and, if so, where do you think this should be discussed: at AE (again) or AN3? Thank you, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 01:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

VM self-reverted. I don't see anything else to do here -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 12:48, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. It's been going on like that since the end of March and it's quite unlikely there will be an improvement in the near future. I feel that many disputes could be avoided if more experienced editors/admins were working on the article or alternatively were willing to provide advice as a non-involved third parties. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Regarding this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Soibangla&diff=1101331204&oldid=1101258359

you may note on my Talk last night that I stated I was leaving the contentious topic where I was engaged in vigorous debate. I saw the feedback and I heeded it. Actually, I had already made the decision to exit. I see no reason for sanction which appears more punitive than corrective at this point. Thank you. soibangla (talk) 13:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

After you said that, you returned to editing 2022 Recession. I feel that the short topic ban is helpful -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 13:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I said I was leaving Recession where the controversy arose, there was no controversy on 2022 Recession. I believe a sanction is unnecessarily punitive, especially for a week. soibangla (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The locus of the controversy is determining if the United States is currently in a recession. You moved to another article within that scope. I stand by my sanction. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 13:24, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The locus of the controversy is actually whether the Recession lead was changed to inject a POV slant that wasn't there for years, in the midst of a current political controversy. Any sanction is punitive and unjustified, and one week is excessive. soibangla (talk) 13:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Please would you provide diffs that demonstrate a pattern of indisputable battleground behavior, as opposed to rigorous debate, that warrants a one week retroactive punishment, after I said I was disengaging, rather than an earlier warning to my Talk page? soibangla (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Mostly "inevitable vindication" coupled with with immediately jumping into the same topic area after you said you would disengage lead to the topic ban. However, these diffs ("who's-who of fake news sites", advocating that we should stop trying to reach an consensus and use your preferred version, using the talk page as a forum to discuss the general issue rather than the article) are troubling. -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 22:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Speaking in the context of my stated (if unasked-for) "countersign" of the TBAN (which, I will stress, is independent of my decision to block for a straightforward violation of the TBAN, something I would have done even for a sanction I disagree with), my concerns were: 1) The generally combative tone at Talk:Recession, arguing with the IPs and throwaway accounts who everyone else was wisely either ignoring or politely explaining things to, thereby directly furthering the right-wing narrative of Wikipedia being hostile to feedback on this matter, a narrative you were well aware of, while not advancing any encyclopedic goal; 2) the unexplained and seemingly unprovoked antipathy toward the main editor who was trying to offset that; 3) "my inevitable vindication", showing a battleground mentality; 4) a nom statement at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Recession that seemed to just repeat the argument ongoing at Talk:Recession without addressing any aspect of deletion policy (despite the AfD trending heavily against keeping, no !votes endorse the nom's logic), and 5) the decision to promptly reëngage on the matter shortly after being asked to disengage and saying you were done.

It's not the sort of thing that would get someone a lengthy TBAN, but a week away from one very specific debate where you've had an outsized and disruptive role, while collective tempers cool, seems reasonable. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 02:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Question

Hi Guerillero. I have a question about User talk:Lugnuts. Since Lugnuts has been banned and their tpa has also been revoked, I'm just curious as to why the talk page hasn't been WP:GOLD locked as well. Even though Lugnuts can no longer respond there, it seems like the page might become a magnet for drama (from both sides) at least for the near future. In addition, it seems pointless to notify Lugnuts of any articles being nominated for deletion since they can't participate in any such discussions. Over the past few days, there's been cases of users removing posts made by others simply because they didn't like what was posted. I'm not really connected to any of the discussions that have been going on, and only noticed things via my watchlist. It seems, however, it might be better to limit talk page access to admins only (at least for the time being) to let things cool down a bit. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:39, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Full protecting talk pages is almost never done. He also has a bunch of talk page watchers who may be interested in knowing if any of the articles he created go to AfD -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 22:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Fair enough. I considered the latter, but thought the potential for more drama possibly outweighed that. Anyway, thanks for clarifying. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe a silly question

Did the recent Arbcom case results actually get posted to 7&6=thirteen's user talk page? Indignant Flamingo (talk) 06:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Indignant Flamingo: The bot seems to have missed it.  Done -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:54, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

For my own clarity

Hi, G - I'm a tad confused. Being t-banned from AfD deletion discussions does not prevent an editor from iVoting, correct? They just can't discuss their iVote or partake in the "Discussion" section? Atsme 💬 📧 22:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@Atsme: While I am not an arb and can not provide clarification, my understanding is that it would bar them from !voting -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 11:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Ahh...that is what I originally thought, adding that if it were me in the hot seat, I would not have done something like this a day or two before the close when the count was already in favor of a t-ban. What's a gal gonna do...*sigh*. Thanks, G. Atsme 💬 📧 11:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Topic ban whoopsie

You accidentally removed a topic ban that should not have been removed in this edit. I have restored the one that was not superseded. Just letting you know. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)