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Continue Racing Legs

It has been established there will be no non-elimination legs, but how do we know there's going to be some "continue racing" legs? 9March2019 (talk) 20:48, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

About the TAR Captionbox

Xoruz, please create the Template for a new-style TAR captionbox which only consists of the Detour, Roadblock and Pit Stop icons, implying that there will be no Fast Forwards in this season. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 12:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Results Table

Why is it so big? There is so much empty space. Could we put the "Roadblocks performed" count in the newly created cast table? I feel it would look a lot better and a lot more concise. If not, I feel we should find a way to return to one line per team, and not two, by changing the format of the "Roadblock performed" column (for example, we could write "Derek, 1; Claire, 0"). 2607:FEA8:BDDF:800:34A6:3A23:9B6C:C619 (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the latter part, one line is way better. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at The Amazing Race 17#Results... Is that what you have in mind? Bgsu98 (talk) 03:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If so, I think that's fine; I will go back and adjust the previous seasons' tables as well. That should narrow the length of the table down to one row per couple. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that table on TAR17 looks fine. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that is a quick and easy fix. I will adjust the tables on the previous seasons. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Bgsu98 and Sportsfan 1234! That was quick! 2607:FEA8:BDDF:800:34A6:3A23:9B6C:C619 (talk) 03:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I don't see the need to keep track of how many roadblocks each team member completed. That borders on Wikipedia:Fancruft, and in some cases, has relied on original research dealing with roadblocks that were not aired as part of the actual episodes. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That goes hand-in-hand with Big Brother's Have-Nots, as those are not shown in episodes nowadays. 9March2019 (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted all of those a while ago too. ;) Bgsu98 (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, Leg 3 has been confirmed as a Mega Leg with two columns. Previously, there was only one column for The Amazing Race 32's Mega Leg. The question is, should there be a second column? 9March2019 (talk) 20:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe so. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And as for the elimination footnotes, they should only be necessary if there were unusual circumstances (elimination before completing all of the leg's tasks, never making it to the Pit Stop, etc.). And besides, there are no notes in Big Brother voting history tables for evicted houseguests, unless something strange happened, such as a penalty eviction vote. My point here, MOS:ACCESS isn't just about making tables readable for the colorblind, it's also about making them simple to understand. Having too many footnotes can make the table more complicated and confusing to readers. 9March2019 (talk) 16:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to eliminate the unnecessary footnotes on the TAR tables. Which ones do you think are still unnecessary? Bgsu98 (talk) 17:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If a note says the team was simply eliminated, it's not necessary. 9March2019 (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, if the elimination is being indicated by use of the red font, it also has to be indicated via another means. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@9March2019 Take a look at this sample table here: User:Bgsu98/sandbox. This was an idea I was toying with. We could eliminate that footnote by replacing the placement with Last. Other last-place finishes that didn't result in elimination would still be noted as normal (non-elimination, continuing legs, etc.). Let me know what you think. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that will definitely work out, since "last team" is specifically mentioned by Phil Keoghan, regardless of whether the team is eliminated or not. 9March2019 (talk) 22:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it meets the requirements of accessibility is questionable, but I’d be willing to try it. I agree that it would help declutter the table a bit. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Different cells for roadblock performers?

Why was that change necessary? What's wrong with "teammate A (X), teammate B (X)" in one cell? 2603:7000:96F0:8360:7D70:CBA:E1DA:DD2F (talk) 03:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Detour choices/Road Block participants in Race Summary

If we are supposed to be removing fancruft, why are there now long sentences in the Race Summary section listing out teams and their Detour choices/Road Block participants? For 20 years, the section was supposed to be an uncluttered space for just the facts on each task and Route Marker/location. Including these lists of teams leaves the section more confusing than it needs to be and definitely falls under the fancruft label. If people want a full-on recap of the episode here on Wikipedia, then that's a whole other discussion. Why remove the unintrusive Road Block counts in the table, but then add more unnecessary words in the Race Summary? (98.234.137.6 (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC))[reply]

I agree that including that information in the episode summaries is questionable. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I really don’t think that needs to be included unless something memorable happened during the task. For example, Colin’s meltdown during the ox challenge, or Lena unrolling the hay bales for hours. On the other hand, I do think clarifying the winners of Fast Forwards, or users/victims of Yields/U-Turns, partnerships during Intersections, etc. are appropriate to episode summaries. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if those things can't be included in the results table anymore, perhaps separating those things from the task descriptions so as not to turn them into long paragraphs. 98.234.137.6 (talk) 02:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]