Talk:Plymouth Colony

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This sentence needs to be reworked. Aside from being unclear, and something of a run-on sentence, it seems antagonistic. "Most of the citizens of Plymouth were fleeing religious persecution and searching for a place to worship as they saw fit, while wanting the groups around them to adhere to their beliefs, rather than being entrepreneurs like many of the settlers of Jamestown in Virginia." I am not an expert; but I suggest that, if I correctly understand what this is trying to say, the following might be more clear, and more neutral: |Unlike the settlers of the Jamestown colony in Virginia, most of the citizens of Plymouth were fleeing religious persecution and seeking a place to live and worship as they saw fit. They also sought to spread their Christian faith to the native peoples of the land they would settle.|

Original Land Patent

The current section is confusing or cannot be accurate: "The congregation obtained a land patent from the Plymouth Company in June 1619. They had declined the opportunity to settle south of Cape Cod in New Netherland because of their desire to avoid the Dutch influence.[6] This land patent allowed them to settle at the mouth of the Hudson River. They sought to finance their venture through the Merchant Adventurers, a group of businessmen who principally viewed the colony as a means of making a profit. Upon arriving in America, the Pilgrims began working to repay their debts.[7]"

The mouth of the Hudson would have been the New Netherland patent that they declined--not the one they accepted. I'll do more research on the patent before updating. User:cglenn3932:cglenn3932 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.209.86 (talk) 13:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with cglenn3932. This paragraph does not make sense. The mouth of the Hudson River is far southwest of Cape Cod, in what is now New York City. That location was in the heart of the New Netherland Colony. According to the Wikipedia article on New Netherland, the Dutch Republic claimed land from southwestern Cape Cod to Pennsylvania and the Delmarva Peninsula. New Amsterdam, which became New York City, and the Hudson Valley were in the heart of Dutch influence.

Also, according to that article, the New Netherland Colony "was conceived by the Dutch West India Company (WIC) in 1621". This is after the Plymouth land grant was obtained according to this article, and is after the Plymouth Colony was actually established.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Netherland.

I am a newbie to participating in the Talk function. I do not mean to make an actual edit here. The instructions are extensive and technical and I apologize if I have done things incorrectly. m.m (talk) 19:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't quite understand the issue here, but that is my problem. I do know this thatThe Virginia Company was composed of two separate companies The One was theVirginia Company of London, whose "adventurers" (stockholders) sought to settle that area of the New World from basically two hundred miles south of the James River (Point/Cape Comfort) to the mouth of the Hudson river (41 degrees north)

The First charter of 1606 mentions between 34 degrees north and 41degess north , the Virginia Company of London, what we call Virginia. The second was the Virginia Company of Plymouth whose adventurers (stockholders) sought to settle that area of the New World from 38 degrees north to 45 degrees north. At first the entire area from Spanish Florida to Maine was called Virginia, more specifically the area from 34 degrees north to 45 degrees north was called Virginia. There were three degrees of overlap between the two companiesThe Virginia Comany of Plymouth was a failure and was disbanded by 1619. The "adventurers"lost their investment. In 1620 a group of Puritans left Holland, stopped at Playmouth, England for replenishment and continued onto their destination which was the vicinity of the Hudson River. They ran out of potable liquid and had to put into land early to resupply, as they were scouring the coast heading to their destination, they decided to set ashore at what is now mythically claimed to be Plymouth rock. They encountered another civilization which was engaged in farming and decided to stay.The Mayflower was sent back to obtain more supplies and settlers

In 1620 a New Charter was given to theCouncil for New England. The [Dutch colonization of the Americas|Dutch[ established a trading post near Albany in 1615, the first colonists didn't arrive until 1624 Oldperson (talk) 23:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Margaret.miz:I forgot to ping you to the aboveOldperson (talk) 23:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

invaluable?

"The delays had significant consequences; the cost of the repairs and port fees required that the colonists sell some of their invaluable provisions."

Really? Then how did they sell them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.247.198.219 (talk) 15:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Questionable sentence about Squanto

The article says:

[Squanto] had returned to New England in 1619, acting as a guide to explorer Capt. Robert Gorges, but Massasoit and his men had massacred the crew of the ship and had taken Squanto.

The articles on Squanto and Thomas Dermer say that Squanto sailed with Dermer, not with Robert Gorges. Dermer's crew was indeed attacked by natives, but none of the articles mention that the attack was carried out by Massasoit. Furthermore, according to the Squanto article, there is not sufficient evidence to conclude that Squanto was ever a prisoner of Massasoit. AxelBoldt (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)