Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Garza

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The result was delete. Note: 1 IP voted twice, maybe thrice Xavexgoem (talk) 16:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Al Garza

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It should be noted this BLP is for Al Garza II, son of the founder of the Matrix System. The subject has no supported claims of martial arts notability. His MMA record on Sherdog is 1-2, but the author keeps changing it to 15-2. Training with notable fighters does not show notability (WP:NOTINHERITED). Having received a $2000 government contract doesn't show notability, either. Finally, I can find nothing to show his writing passes WP:AUTHOR. Papaursa (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 21:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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It should noted that Al Garza's MMA record is before Sherdog became an online fight status. He has been fighting since 1996 and his record is 15-2-0. Sherdog has only 2 fights recorded because when they started recording fighters they didn't have access to his total record. His government contracts show credibility for his background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.55.60 (talk • contribs) 6 February 2012 98.112.55.60 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

That's fine as long as there are sources for his MMA record, otherwise the SOP is to go with what is sourced--and Sherdog is the standard reference for MMA records. I know Sherdog's records go back to at least 1996 (see Travis Fulton). Papaursa (talk) 04:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are no sources for his underground fighting, that is why you cannot find sources for fights that have not been sanctioned. Even with fighters like Rickson Gracie who has hundreds of fights and most of them cannot be verified except through the family. Many fighters come in with a previous record not found on places like Sherdog. Let's get real here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.200.90 (talk • contribs) 7 February 2012

Please don't post comments in front of the nomination. If there are no sources, then it doesn't meet WP:V and shouldn't be listed. Please leave the verified facts alone unless you can source your changes. Papaursa (talk) 03:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I found nothing that shows this person is notable. Youtube videos don't show notability and IMO he doesn't meet WP:MMANOT, WP:MANOTE, or WP:AUTHOR. Astudent0 (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
KEEPThen you better start deleting a number of other people who have the same in-house sources. The sources come direct from the source just like many MMA fighters including the Gracie's, so delete them too. Al Garza and his father have been involved in the Martial Arts longer then you have been around including over a dozen books written, all found at Barnes and Noble, Amazon etc. They both are very notable. Get your facts straight.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.200.90 (talk • contribs) 10 February 2012

Please don't remove votes by other editors. I would also suggest you might want to look at WP:CIV and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Papaursa (talk) 05:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~KEEP~~Then you should follow it yourself WP:CIV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.193.200.90 (talk) 06:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can comment all you want, but just vote once. Papaursa (talk) 06:32, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He doesn't appear to meet any notability criteria. In addition to previous comments, I would also say that being "a student of the Bible for over 20 years" does not make you notable, nor does being the son of a founder of a martial arts system. Unsubstantiated claims of championships and fights don't show notability either. I don't care how many books he's written, the question is whether he passes WP:AUTHOR, and I don't see any sources showing he does. Mdtemp (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as failing martial arts notability requirements. Also seems to be lacking independent sources for academic qualifications. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Independent sources? He has links to all his credentials. His Martial Arts background is very solid. Has anyone writing DELETE ever done anything successful like win titles and written books? Give me a break. You all act like Al Garza being posted here is so wrong, It's just Wikipedia for information. This isn't some special members only site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.55.60 (talk) 05:28, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

delete fails gng Pass a Method talk 09:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:BIO, WP:N, WP:RS. I also strongly object to the personal attacks that are coming from the article's sole champion, who should brush up on WP:CIV as well as WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Qworty (talk) 06:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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