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Florida Atlantic University College of Social Work and Criminal Justice

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Article about a constituent college of a university that is heavily refbombed but does not appear to meet WP:NCORP. No in depth coverage in reliable independent sources that I can find. Mccapra (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Law, Education, and Florida. Mccapra (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Mccapra, I noticed you nominated SCWJ article for AFD and thank you for your comments. While I do agree that this page can continue to be improved by me and other editors, I wanted to simply note within this deletion discussion that I strongly oppose its deletion. As one of the long-established academic colleges that compose Florida Atlantic University, I believe the university's notability also contributes to that of SCWJ. Independent of the university, I believe SCWJ does satisfy WP:NCORP. I offer this article here that discusses SCWJ in detail by CSWE which is an independent and credible source in US higher education satisfying WP:V. SCWJ and its dean was also covered by Latin Business Today, an independent news source, here. As the head of the college, I contend that the Dean is a part of SCWJ's notability. WP:NCORP and WP:V can also be measured by notable contributions. As FAU is a carnagie-classified school, SCWJ contributes to its requirement. I offer these independent articles that discuss visible research at SCWJ:, here, here, here, and here (latter three are all peer-reviewed). Lastly, SWCJ includes regionally notable alums active in government, here (credible government site) for example, and is fully acredited by the independent SACSCOC - which is the accepted standard for accreditation for US colleges and universities in the south. Again, I very much appreciate your comments and am with open ears on any feedback you may have to improve this article. Thank you again. /respectfully Roaringwikifan (talk) 06:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion most of the references you have offered here are inherited (about the Dean or the wider university) WP:INHERITORG or things that would apply to every university department everywhere (academic papers written by staff of the college, registration with the relevant government authorities). The only one I would consider relevant of those you have offered is from the CSWE. I'm leaning keep on that basis but am hestitating because of queries in my mind about independence of the CSWE ref (is it a blogpost?), refbombing and potentially COI issues with the page. JMWt (talk) 08:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the CSWE item is clearly a recycled press release and is not in depth coverage. I agree with JMWt about the other sources currently in the article, and I couldn’t find anything better.
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I would keep and give the article the chance to be improved by potentially including references to notable faculty, alumni, student groups, degrees or courses of study, which I think would make the college itself notable without the need for secondary sources like news articles.
And actually, I think there's a gap in guidelines for colleges that are constituents of a larger university. Note that WP:NCORP in paragraph 2 ("Simply stated...") makes reference to "for-profit educational institutions..." which arguably is different from a state university, so there's a question if WP:NCORP applies or something else does; looking at looking at WP:NSCHOOL is not helpful as it's circular. IMO a state university and department thereof is different than a for-profit school; also it is difficult to expect sources like news articles to write about a university department because it isn't newsworthy absent a scandal - but not newsworthy is different than not-notable. I'd suggest looking to WP:PROF for a hybrid set of notability standards in this or similar instances. A college can be notably influential in the world of ideas / colleges / academia / research without the college itself being the subject of secondary sources like news articles.

Leglamp123 (talk) 01:29, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]