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Was Ibn Majid Omani?

There have been a number of edit attempts made which have tried to label Ibn Majid as 'Omani' on the basis that Julfar in the C15th was part of what was then known as Oman. If this were to be taken seriously, it opens up a range of questions about what was - and is - Oman. And what was - and is - The Emirates. And, indeed, anywhere else whose names and affiliations have changed over the centuries. The pre-Islamic coastal city of Ed-Dur, currently in Umm Al Quwain, has been proposed as the Omanus of the ancients, while archaeological finds at the inland town of Mleihah in Sharjah, a linked pre-Islamic city of considerable significance, contains references to servants of the King of Oman. And yet there is little consistency to any ancient or historical political entity we could recognise as Oman until the C20th - just a number of highly fluid tribal allegiances and, in the case of the area we call Oman today, a constant battle for supremacy over the coastal Saids and the inland Imams that stretched back for centuries. There hasn't been a 'King of Oman' we could identify since the pre-Islamic period who held sway over the western coast as well as the east.

Adding to this picaresque confusion is the fact that Ibn Majid would, in his lifetime, not have recognised himself - or been recognised by others - as Omani as much as he would have been Hormuzi. The area paying fealty to, and recognised by cartographers of the time as, the C14th to C16th Kingdom of Hormuz stretched from Bahrain to Muscat and Julfar was part of that political entity. He was certainly Julfari, possibly you could argue he was Hormuzi, but there is no sensible argument to be made that he was Omani.

Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to have the sources you are getting this information from. I am from the lineage of Ahmed bin Majid. Have you seen any portraits of him or drawings. He is wearing the omani turban and dress. The people and citizens of the UAE were bedwins had no shoes and wore the aqal not the Omani turban. He was born in Jalfar no doubt which was part of Oman. Where exactly was his house even us his grandchildren we don’t know. And he introduced himself as from jalfar Oman he family name or last name is “Al - Saadi” and his lineage we love here in batinah Oman. His last name is not al shamsi or al aamri or al nahyaab. I have changed the article many time as i find it very disrespectful to our family and our Country. Here we teach about him in school to the kids and identify him as the Omani lion of the sea and when the students go back home to research him they find that hes from the uae?? We as omanis don’t like to make a fuss and cause troubles but this have been the case for many things that we have been seeing lately with the UAE claiming many things that belong to us. They even wanted to prescribe the Omani dagger as their own a few years back and we had to do something about it. Before 1971 the UAE was part of Oman it was called the “coast of Oman” do some research. The UAE citizens were living in the middle of the desert a 200-300 years ago only came to the coastal side recently.before that they were shepherds with no shoes living in tents in the desert. They never built ships, never navigates through the ocean never traveled the world. Come on my friend use your common sense. It doesn’t matter the location you are at the identity and how you identify matters. When you speak about the romans and the greeks and the persians you don't say the italians or turkish or iranians you use the correct term to describe them with. These games are well known from the UAE and we Omanis do not bother with them usually but this is my family you are talking about. I know you are being paid to do this by the government there but I will further persue this issue with the “ministry of heritage and tourism” here as the authority responsible and we will do something about it that is enough. Orelic (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please check the following by the historian Paul Lunde Orelic (talk) 05:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You need to dial back the accusations and threats, for a start - please see WP:LEGAL. You need to stop removing sourced material and adding unsourced material or you will be blocked from editing. And you need to dial down the nationalist rhetoric and make a cogent, defined and well-sourced argument for your assertions in order to gain consensus for your proposals. Without such consensus, there is no basis for your changes. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Illustration

Although it's a lovely picture, I'm not entirely sure why a 19th Century woodcut titled 'A Muslim merchant from Muscat' would be used to illustrate this article? I'm proposing removing it... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agreed, please go ahead and get rid of the picture.Desde la Torre (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Historian Paul Lunde about Abmed bin Majid

https://nraa.gov.om/مراجع-مقالات-ومصادر-تثبت-هوية-الملاح-ا/ Orelic (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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