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Repeated recreation despite many discussions closing with delete.

The subject still fails WP:NBOOK. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources? There are none. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 18:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aman.kumar.goel: I am not happy to see that you proposed for deletion without reading the article. Sources are added to the article itself. You can watch this video for Zakir Naik's topic. Although many have criticized him, but you can see this blog of Asif Mohiuddin, if you know Bengali language. ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 05:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the subject fails WP:GNG because it is lacking significant coverage in reliable sources. There are a number of subjects (such as YouTube channels) that have gained popularity in local spheres but they haven't recieved significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. CharlesWain (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CharlesWain I don't understand which GNG you read. If a book creates a new argument that is fundamentally used in a religious debate on that topic for the next 50+ years; How is that book not notable?
And the references here include Milli Gadget articles, books by Ziaur Rahman Azmi, Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi and two other professors. I don't understand, are you considering these as YouTube channels or have you not seen the references at all? ‍~ 𝕂𝕒𝕡𝕦𝕕𝕒𝕟 ℙ𝕒ş𝕒 (inbox - contribs) 15:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still fails WP:SIGCOV. Dympies (talk) 14:26, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and @Dympies, Afrasiab Mehdi Hashmi clearly discussed the book in fully overall in a chapter of his book,[3] and these journal articles directly and "only" discuss the book without any trivia,[4][5][6][7] so how can it be said that it still fails WP:SIGCOV? The author Draft:Ved Prakash Upaddhay is also a famous academic scholar of sanskrit language, winner of president award (Rashtrapati Award) (in sanskrit language) and more, and also still alive. Besides renowned international writers like Ali Unal[8], Shams Naved Usmani[9], Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood[10] and ms:Danial Zainal Abidin[11] and others[12][13][14][15] broadly discussed the book in their books. Besides the book is also cited as reference in numerous books of like Yoginder Sikand, Muzaffar Alam, Utpal K. Banerjee, Francesca Orsini etc. Some of the glimplises are these[16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29] [30][31][32][33][34] Also there is media coverage of being converted to muslim by reading this book.[35] Also detailed articles from Daily Dunya, Daily Jang, Siasat Daily, Daily Pakistan and Urdu Point here.[36][37][38][39][40] 202.134.9.158 (talk) 17:04, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


References

  1. ^ "Muhammad in Hindu scriptures". Milli Gazette. Archived from the original on 2019-01-07. Retrieved 2014-11-06.
  2. ^ الرحمن, أعظمى، محمد ضياء (2008). دراسات في اليهودية والمسيحية وأديان الهند والبشارات في كتب الهندوس (in Arabic). مكتبة الرشد،. pp. 703–708.
  3. ^ a b Malik, Dr Ahmad; Mehdi Hashmi Qureshi, Afrasiab (1 January 2022). END TIMES (What could happen in the world tomorrow). (Center for Global and Strategic Studies, Islamabad). pp. 13, 274, 275. ISBN 9789699837142. Retrieved 1 September 2022. BOOK 'KALKI AVTAR AND MUHAMMED SAHEB' BY PUNDIT VED PRAKASH, PUBLISHED IN INDIA 453 (Opinion on the book by scholars from Malaysia) 454

    Following is the Summary of the contents of the book as dealt with by Pundit Ved Prakash in the context of the Prophet of Islam:

    * Hindu scriptures mention that Kalki Avtar will be the Last Messenger of Bhagwan to guide the world. This comes true in the case of Prophet Muhammed, as according to the Islamic faith Muhammad was the last Prophet sent by Allah (Bhagwan) to mankind.

    In Hindu precepts, the father's name of 'Kalki Avtar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat. 'Vishnu' stands for Allah and the literal meaning of "bhagat' is slave. The name of the father of Prophet Muhammad was Abdullah which in Arabic means the 'Slave of Allah."

    * Similarly, Kalki's mother's name would be 'Somanib' which in Sanskrit means 'peace and tranquility. Prophet Muhammad's mother's name was 'Amina' which has the same meaning in Arabic language.

    The Vedas mention that 'Kalki Avtar' will be born in a noble family of his land. This is true in case of Prophet Muhammed as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish in Makkah.

    * According to Hindu precepts, 'Kalki Avtar' will be taught in a cave by Bhagwan (God). The first verse of the Quran was in fact revealed to Prophet Muhammed in the cave of Hira (in Mecca.)
    <brAccording to Hindu precepts. Kalki Avtar will be born in an island. Prophet Muhammad was born in Jazeeratul Arab' (the Island of Arabia).

    The following is the opinion about the above book by Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia:

    Pundit Ved Prakash, a Hindu scholar from India, claims in his book Kalki Avtar that the description of the Avtar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion, matches with Prophet Muhammad. After years of research, he published this book and less than eight other prominent Hindu scholars from India-Dr. Srivasdev, Pundit Sunderlal, Sri Pal Ram Sang Parihar, Dr. P. H. Suphe, Dr. Ramesh Prasad Kruk, Pundit Durga Shankar, Swami Amar Jyoti and Sri Kashmiri Lal Baath-have endorsed the basics of his argument as authentic. Pundit Ved Prakash has produced sound evidence from Vedas. Puranas and other sacred books of Hindu religion, in support of his claim. References: 455 Kalki Avtar and Muhammed Saheb by Dr. Ved Prakash (MA Sanskrit, D.Phil.). published by Saaraswath Vedanth Prakash Sangh (1969/70) 454 The Hindu Philosophy of Kalki Avatara from Islamic View of Nubuwwah' by Mohamed Mihlar Abdul Muthaliffa and Mohd Rosmizi Abd Rahman, Faculty of Leadership and Management, Universiti Sains Islam, Malaysia. Published in the International Journal of Academic Research in Business and Social Sciences. (Vol. 7, 2017)
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