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Initial Peer Review

Hi @Repumped, @Bduke, @Shushugah, @LoomCreek, Manville jeffrey, and all other interested people: I've tried my very best to draft this new Wikipedia article for the table of grad worker unions. Can you please help me make it worthy of publishing?

I'd LOVE to get this article published ASAP!!! The information needed to get out to the public a long time ago.

AJVincelli (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let me start by saying that my links with academic unions are a long time ago. I retired 20 years ago. My links before retirement were with Australian academic unions and much earlier with United Kingdom academic unions. My first thought is that this article is far too detailed for the two countries it covers and totally inadequate in only covering those two countries. I think details are needed for at least a dozen or so countries before it can fly. --Bduke (talk) 01:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking a look @Bduke! I would love to add more sections. Do you know the names of any academic unions in Australia or the UK? I’d be happy to email them to inquire about grad worker union members. Thanks very much! AJVincelli (talk) 05:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
National Tertiary Education Union in Australia, University and College Union in UK and Tertiary Education Union in New Zealand. As you see, they all have Wikipedia articles. I do not think I can help you for any other country, but you need to have at least a total of say 10 or 12. --Bduke (talk) 07:23, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Category:Tertiary education trade unions may help you. --Bduke (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Bduke, I will definitely check these resources out! It may take me awhile, but I definitely want to include grad worker unions from more countries.


Fix Citations

Hi @KylieTastic, thank you for helping me format so many citations properly! However, some of the links are now broken. Could you please fix the links that used to work? Thanks very much!! I really appreciate your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AJVincelli (talk • contribs) 04:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary sources

Hi @Freedom4U, thank you so much for encouraging me to find appropriate secondary sources to cite. I'm new to Wikipedia authorship and I'm just learning as I go. I just added a few references to the other lists on the Internet that I compiled to make these tables, they are citations #1 - 8 here. Do they help the article at all? Are they what you were referring to as good secondary sources? If not, can you give me an example of what you recommend as an appropriate citations? Thanks very much again for your help!! AJVincelli (talk) 05:55, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AJVincelli A lot of the new sources are good changes! I would scrap listing the exact number of unions because that is always going to be original research, which isn't suitable for Wikipedia. What you're really looking for are sources like this one that you added. If a union isn't getting secondary coverage like that, that would be grounds for removal from the article. :3 F4U (they/it) 15:05, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Aha, I see! So to verify the information in the table, it's best to cite info NOT from the union itself. Hm, that makes sense. I can do this! It just might take me some time.
So, for each union, I envisioned having a link to their website so that people could find them easily. But is that not really appropriate for Wikipedia? Or can each union have their website linked in addition to the third-party citation of their existence?
Thank you for your advice! AJVincelli (talk) 15:43, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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