Talk:Macedonian language

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2023

I'd like to change the writing of the first paragraph of the «Dialects» section, specifically the following passage

During the standardization process of the Macedonian language, the dialectal base selected was primarily based on the West-Central dialects, which spans the triangle of the communities Makedonski Brod, Kičevo, Demir Hisar, Bitola, Prilep, and Veles. These were considered the most widespread and most likely to be adopted by speakers from other regions.The initial idea to select this region as a base was first proposed in Krste Petkov Misirkov's works as he believed the Macedonian language should abstract on those dialects that are distinct from neighboring Slavic languages, such as Bulgarian and Serbian. Likewise, this view does not take into account the fact that a Macedonian koiné language was already in existence.

The very last sentence leads to think a Macedonian koiné, though already existing by the time of codification, was replaced or not taken into account by the standardizing team. By that indication, the writing is ambiguous. However, that's not the impression that is shown on the source provided (Comrie & Corbett 2002). It says:

During the Second World War, Tito's Communists won jurisdiction over Macedonia, and on 2 August 1944, Macedonian was formally declared the official language of the Republic of Macedonia. The standardization of Literary Macedonian proceeded rapidly after its official recognition, in part because an inter-dialectal koine was already functioning. The West Central region [...], which was the largest in both area and population, supplied a dialectal base to which speakers from other areas could adjust their speech most easily. In many respects these dialects are also maximally differentiated from both Serbo-Croat and Bulgarian, but differentiation was not an absolute principle in codification. [...]

The source states that the West-Central dialect codification of Macedonian was facilitated by the fact that a koiné was already in place. However, it gives the impression that it was either not based off these dialects or was just ignored. 190.237.37.156 (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging this. The sentence you highlighted indeed makes no sense in this context – not least because there is no antecedent to the "likewise", and it is not clear what the "this view" refers to. The sentence was first inserted together with a version of the preceding text that was much more argumentative than it is now [1]. I'd say it will be best to simply remove the sentence. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done closed because Fut.Perf. deleted the bolded sentence. Xan747 (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Macedonian personal pronouns

I'm curious as to why the lower case Latin "m" appears in this table, when it seems like it should be a Cyrillic т. For example, there is a sentence above the table that indicates таа = she and тој = he, but the table shows "maa" and "moj", respectively. As far as I can tell, "m" doesn't occur in their alphabet at all. It shows up in several entries for both 2nd and 3rd person, where it seems like т is the correct letter. (I didn't want to add a correction since I don't really know the language and perhaps there is some other reason it is there?) If it is incorrect, could someone with more knowledge of the language correct it? Благодарам 100.15.197.43 (talk) 00:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Check out Macedonian alphabet. It's not a Latin "m". Putting т in italics makes it т. --Local hero ^talk 03:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Inaccurate maps

Both the maps of the distribution on the first part of the page and in the dialects part are unsourced and frankly inaccurate, frankly the first shows random dots all over Greeks where supposed minority speakers live but this is unsourced and really just false. 194.30.254.75 (talk) 10:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)