Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Palmer (social activist)

Jordan Palmer (social activist)

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Not passing BLP or GNG guidelines. No sourcing found about this person; most of what's used for sourcing in the article is about the Equality Foundation he's involved with. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Only mention found for this name is [1] about a labor lawyer in Los Angeles, nothing about this person in Kentucky. Oaktree b (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then you are absolutely horrible with research. You need to focus on Kentucky media and newspapers such as the Lexington Herald Leader and the Louisville Courier Journal. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 04:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Discrimination, and Sexuality and gender. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:13, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Kentucky Equality Federation, the organization he heads. I found this article which contains some information about him but nothing else. Certainly not enough to meet GNG. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:29, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then you are absolutely horrible with research. You need to focus on Kentucky media and newspapers such as the Lexington Herald Leader and the Louisville Courier Journal. But you’re going to have to pay to view them these days. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 04:47, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you have sources with significant coverage, please share or add to the article. WP:SOURCESEXIST is not a valid reason to keep an article. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did a search on my C-J account online and found one article mentioning the subject person, and it was as him representing the organization others are recommending merging his article into. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 01:09, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is probably because you do not have an account.com. with them, or the Lexington Herald-Leader (kentucky.com) or you definitely have NOT checked wymt.com, wykt.com, lex18.com or the local ABC affiliate. Multiple articles are already listed and noted, but apparently, no one has bothered to check. I stopped by $50.00 monthly donations to Wikipedia and notified them why. This policy of deleting articles because of one person's opinion is just not acceptable, especially when organizations like Marriage Equality USA are permitted to complete delete their information. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 09:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can only filter Google results by country, they haven't gotten that granular to limit searches by state or province yet. Oaktree b (talk) 03:44, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, no wonder no one trusts it anymore. It has gone to trash in the last five years with people such as yourself trying to delete good pages that have stood unedited for more than a decade. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 04:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments like this aren't helping. Either provide a policy-based !vote or provide a policy-based counterpoint. Idle complaining and griping like this isn't persuading anyone or going to be factored into the closing Admin's decision, so stop wasting your time. You're an experienced editor; you should know better. Sergecross73 msg me 01:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is Kentucky HISTORY. I have added additional newspaper clippings because you could not group up and be LGBTI in Kentucky for nearly 20 years without Jordan Palmer being an inspiration. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 23:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are likely many articles in the Wikipedia today that are both quite aged and also don't pass WP:N and WP:RS. The point here with this AfD is the contention there aren't enough reliable secondary sources that cover the subject person as himself rather than as a representative of an organization. Of course, if you know of such sources, please bring them here (or add them to the article) - I'm sure they will be faithfully considered. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 01:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so go fix it then. Complaining won't fix it. I couldn't find anything. Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect. People are not "inherently" notable, or entitled to have standalone articles as separate topics from their employer, just for having jobs — but the sources here are fundamentally about the organization he worked for, not about him, and thus aren't establishing that he would surpass the bar needed to qualify for his own separate article. Bearcat (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect per above arguments. My horrible research skills are turning up practically nothing about the founder of the organization separate from the organization. People found organizations all the time that become notable, even if they ultimately do not. Of course, if someone with research skills superior to mine can show me up with links to reliable, secondary coverage of the subject, please proceed. And note, I do very much appreciate the subject person's work! But doing great, constructive things in this world doesn't automatically get you an encyclopedia article. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, please consider/evaluate new sources added to the article. This action is helpful, complaining about the state of Wikipedia, isn't.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]