Module talk:Labelled list hatnote

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No consensus, 2018 July 5, see discussion.
No consensus, 2018 July 4, see discussion.

Proposal to add nowrap capabability

A proposal to add nowrap capability is given initially for {{Further}}. There is a working template space mockup at Template:Further/sandbox, and a demo of it on the Talk page. Please see discussion at Template:Further#Adding nowrap. Courtesy ping: User:Nihiltres. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boolean problem

@Nihiltres: Recent edits changed selfref to a boolean. That has given a problem demonstrated at God the Father#Judaism:

Lua error in Module:Hatnote at line 146: bad argument #1 to 'addClass' (string, number or nil expected, got boolean).

That is because line 146 of Module:Hatnote is

:addClass(options.selfref and 'selfref')

so if selfref is false, that is what is passed to addClass. Presumably it was nil before and addClass ignored that? Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that was a fragile conditional in Module:Hatnote; I fixed it immediately in this edit. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 04:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on November 8, 2023

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This module seems to be causing a comma to unnecessarily appear in lists consisting of two items when the first item is a section link. For example:

Further information: Example and Example

compared to

Further information: Example § Example, and Example

I would provide a more detailed fix in this request if I knew what I was going with Lua, but I think I'll defer that part to someone more experienced at it than me. Thanks! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think this adjustment is on line number 68 of Module:Hatnote list (one of this module's dependencies). The comment on line number 65 suggests this.

	-- Set the conjunction, apply Oxford comma, and force a comma if #1 has "§"
:	local conjunction = s .. options.conjunction .. s
:	if #list == 2 and searchDisp(list[1], "§") or #list > 2 then
:		conjunction = separator .. conjunction
:	end

Nishimoto, Gilberto Kiyoshi (talk) 12:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That looks like a deliberate programming choice. Also, the documentation for that module says that it is used in over 1 million pages, so any changes would need to be tested thoroughly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since it seems now seems to be intentional, does anyone know of any particular reason why the comma is programmed to appear after a section link? It's not immediately obvious to me what the point of that is. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 01:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

accessibility, maybe... Nishimoto, Gilberto Kiyoshi (talk) 01:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried to indicate, to the editor of the previous message, the point where I think the issue he raised lies. Although grammar rules vary between languages, this comma helps me discern where 2 (page and section) are 1 (link). So I'm not opposing it. I'm training in editing, to adapt enwiki modules to ptwiki, and I'm really enjoying the 'self-taught' learning. The English language is not my native language, I depend on web translators to understand and communicate with you, so forgive me if I make some mistakes (such mistakes are not intentional). Grateful for the attention. Nishimoto, Gilberto Kiyoshi (talk) 01:31, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nihiltres: * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: the relevant code is not in this module but in Module:Hatnote list, and it is very intentional, so we should probably establish a proper consensus, on the proper talk page, before changing it, not least because Module:Hatnote list is transcluded to a very large number of pages. For context, the idea was originally suggested by SMcCandlish as "easier to read" at Template talk:See also § Oxford Comma? and then echoed by Andy M. Wang at Wikipedia talk:Hatnote § Standardizing for-see lists (since archived), where I (who was doing the mentioned standardization) saw it, thought it was a nice idea, and implemented it. I wouldn't terribly mind changing this behaviour, but I am going to ask for a consensus first. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 00:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]