Talk:San Jiao

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Pakua

Fire relates to the heart itself, but does the triple warmer relate to the trigram heaven among the eight forces?

Title change

I propose that the title of this article be changed to Triple Burner (or some variant of the term). In my experience, this is the more common name in english usage. I am not proposing that this is the case for all related concepts: I more often hear qi, dantien, lao gong, and of course yin and yang over any translations of the terms. But in my experience, Triple burner is the prefered term for the organ/meridian. Shaggorama 05:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced

There isn't a single reference cited. I'll dig out my Porkert and paraphrase from there, but unless we can get some cites for a lot of what is here already, most of it will have to go and the article will be much shorter. --Bradeos Graphon Βραδέως Γράφων (talk) 15:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, sorry about that, as the original author I've written up a blog post with the context surrounding it. There are some references on my blog post to books and authors who cover this entry-level TCM concept stuff, but at this point all I can do is wave a copy of _Zang Fu_ by Jeremy Ross and _Foundations of Chinese Medicine_ by Giovanni Maciocia and say, that's how they're described in the literature. My post: http://vilain.net/sci/medicine/occidental/sanjiao_energetics.html Mugwumpjism (talk) 09:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Lack of references is still a major problem. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:04, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

WHO?

2nd para: "The current WHO standard term is "Triple Energizer..."

World Health Organization? Could we get this acronym expanded, please? -- Mwanner | Talk 01:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Waffly

It's hard to tell exactly what the term means, especially from the opening paragraph, which ought to be a clear-cut summary. 109.157.79.50 (talk) 01:57, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Element?

It would be Water or Fire I think. --77.2.188.127 (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Interstitium

There are several articles on the internet discussing parallels between the interstitium and the San Jiao channel... Might this be worth mentioning in the WIkipedia article? It wouldn't be independent research, since there are a good number of quotable sources... 151.165.212.93 (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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[San Jiao is a term found in traditional Chinese medicine (TCM)], as part of the modelling of the workings of the human body attempted by early Chinese medical writers. References to it can be found in the oldest Chinese medical texts available, including the Huangdi Neijing. The identification of disease according to the Three Burners was first described in the Qing dynasty by Wu Jutong (吳鞠通, 1758–1836) in his book A Systematic Identification of Febrile Diseases. This system is used within the practice of Chinese herbal medicine, in conjunction with acupuncture and other Chinese medicine (TCM) modalities. Note that the San Jiao theory differs slightly from the San Jiao organ, or channel [(Shou Shao Yang, san jiao jing)]; referred to additionally as "Triple Heater", "Triple Warmer", and "Triple Burner". Viewed by Chinese Medicine as the passage of heat and fluid throughout the body, Elementary Questions (su wen) explains, "The Triple Burner holds the office of the sluices; it manifests as the waterways." Diagnostics The system is often combined with Four Stages theory when diagnosing and treating an externally contracted disease caused by a wind-heat pathogen. The disease will be diagnosed and understood according to its location within the three burners. San Jiao has been translated as "triple heater", triple warmer (or three warmers)", and "triple burner", the latter of which is probably favored because of the involvement of the San Jiao in metabolism. The current World Health Organisation standard term is "Triple Energizer" (TE), but many authors still prefer to use San Jiao. Body model There is no organ in Western medicine which corresponds to San Jiao, but that is because Western medicine does not consider the connective tissue network to be an organ. The Triple-Burner itself is the way in which the connective tissue divides up the Thoracic, Abdominal and Pelvic cavities. These compartments are recognised as being medically distinct areas of the body which tend to wall off infection and bleeding. Triple Warmer Upper Jiao (上焦) Middle Jiao (中焦) Lower Jiao (下焦) Relationships In TCM theory, the San Jiao is a yang organ paired with the pericardium (Xin Bao) which is the yin organ associated with it. Yang (Fu) organs are typically hollow, whereas yin (Zang) organs are more solid. The Triple Burner corresponds perfectly with the connective tissue network, as exemplified by fascia; and the three Burners represent the fascial compartments of pleura-pericardium (chest) peritoneum (abdomen) and retroperitoneum (pelvis). These anatomical compartments not only explain the Triple Burners but also precisely place the organs in the correct Burners e.g. The Kidney is in the retroperitoneum or Lower Burner. The San Jiao's Hand-Foot partner is Dan (Gall Bladder meridian - ends on 4th digit on foot). Function The San Jiao is also said to be a metabolism mechanism similar to an old-fashioned water wheel that is turned by incoming water and creates energy qi for accomplishing a task, such as grinding grain in the case of the water wheel, or for metabolising and digesting food in the case of the San Jiao. The San Jiao is closely associated with the spleen functions of transformation and transportation, particularly the metabolism of incoming food. The San Jiao is also closely associated with the kidney's function in TCM. The San Jiao, however, is not limited to one metabolism function as the spleen or kidneys are, but is a general metaboliser which can be applied to a variety of metabolism needs. Wu Xing San Jiao is related to the "Ministerial(secondary) fire" element of the Chinese Five Elements.

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