Talk:Group 5 (motorsport)

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Homologation

@SpacedFarmer

What source can agree that any Group 5 cars attained homologation for any 'generation'? Generally, only production cars went through this (Groups 1-4). Rally Wonk (talk) 12:03, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, how long would the full list of cars be? Is it better to be a new list article? Rally Wonk (talk) 12:05, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Never thought of it, but I think so. IIRC that you could get the homologation for Gr B via the FIA website SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Group B was for production cars but low initial volume (200 cars), and evolutions allowed for significant changes. However, this isn't the Group B article. There are no Group 5 cars listed on the FIA historic database of homologations. Rally Wonk (talk) 17:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed this too (been on the website). SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This External link shows in 1976, cars had to first be homologated in groups 1-4. Could be different in 1970-1971, I will check the yearbook but was very short lived. For this list to stand, we need a reputable source confirming each car was recognised in Group 5. And change "homologated" word. Rally Wonk (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that, I had to remove some of that as I checked on RSC that were found not to be Gr 5 cars, such as the Ferrari. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:37, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having some thought, what I now thinking is that it would be better to remove the list. The Super Silhouette cars is best removed as none of the Nissans met FIA guidelines. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the removal of the list. Rally Wonk (talk) 16:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Group 5 cars don't need to be homologated, therefore there would be no record available of a non-existent homologation. If a car existed as a Group 1, 2, 3, or 4 homologation, then it was legal in Group 5. However, this doesn't change that the list was meant to show examples of the cars built to Group 5 regulations. This is no different than List of Group C sports cars which lists cars built to Group C regulations, despite there being no homologation. The³5₉ (Talk) 18:13, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I looked in one FIA Yearbook (1971 I think?), there is a list of homologated cars in Group 5 but this was such a short generation that was already cancelled as soon as it was introduced. I'm not sure if there is demand for it. Rally Wonk (talk) 18:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I say get rid of Racing Series that included FIA Group 5 cars also because most other article about racing classes don't have them except super touring. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:51, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Group GT3 The³5₉ (Talk) 15:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It is useful and should be elsewhere too. Rally Wonk (talk) 17:48, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of removal is that the first three of those have 1 or 2 championships. As for 4th gen, 2 of those are the same; IMSA never complied with FIA regulations, neither did SS in many cases. One of those is for obsolete Gr. 5 cars. It is basically rather nonsensical to have some of those in the list. Is there a reliable source to prove this, certainly for WCM. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]