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New World Championships[edit]

For any still watching this page, what exactly should we do about the FIA-ACO's new World Endurance Championship?

If we are going to rename the ILMC article, then I suggest not doing so until the current ILMC season is over. Further, how should we link the corresponding seasons? Should the 1992 World Sportscar Championship season link to the 2012 FIA World Endurance Championship season, or should it link to the 2010 Intercontinental Le Mans Cup (technically not a World Championship and technically not under the control of the FIA)?

Futher, it appears the FIA GT1 World Championship will dump the GT1 moniker as it will now allow GT1, ex-GT2, and GT3 cars to be mixed and matched, and the FIA seems to want to call the new series the FIA GT World Championship. With such similarity to the former FIA GT Championship, might it be worth considering merging the article back into the article on the former series? Or does the differences in the series' formats make it enough to consider it a different championship? Again, any renaming should wait until after the current FIA GT1 season is concluded. The359 (Talk) 16:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Questions, questions... I would be of a mind to create a new article and then link the ILMC by having the 2012 season link to the new article and a paragraph with a link from the WSC article. Bjmullan (talk) 18:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the WEC, I would agree with Bjmullan above. With GTs I would support the idea of merging everything back into FIA GT Championship at the end of the season and renaming. I'm guessing that one of the main reasons for splitting it into separate articles for 2010 was that FIA GT was supposed to split into World GT1 and European GT2, only for the latter to never get off the ground. Therefore I would consider World GT1 and then World GT a continuation of the old FIA GT, just with some adjustments to the format. - mspete93 21:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree with both above: new article for the FIA World Endurance Championship (at least for now -- if it turns out that it really is just basically a rename of the ILMC, we could consider merging the two), and at the end of this year, re-combine FIA GT1 World Championship into FIA GT Championship. If they do end up calling it "FIA GT World Championship" it could be moved to that title. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 22:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

A further question - World Endurance Championship redirects to World Sportscar Championship as this was a title for the series for several years. Should this redirect remain, or should the redirect point to the FIA World Endurance Championship? The359 (Talk) 17:43, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I would guess that most people will drop the FIA and just call it "World Endurance Championship". I would redirect to the new article and add a hatnote. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 20:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest turning it into a disamibuation page referring both the new and old series pages. People could be looking for either. --Falcadore (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey, the old championship also had the FIA moniker. But WTCC and F1 articles don't have it, so I'd drop it this time too. I vote for merging all into World Endurance Championship. The FIA considers the new WEC a reincarnation of the old championship, so we should follow that. --NaBUru38 (talk) 16:36, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Where does the FIA say that it is a continuation of the old championship? The359 (Talk) 16:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

2009 International GT Open season champions[edit]

The introduction of the article and the main article International GT Open say that Joël Camathias and Marcel Fässler were overall and Super GT champions. However, the points ranking shows Gianluca Roda and Richard Lietz with more points. GT SPort's official website doesn't have 2009 results. What's the truth? -- (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

It looks like the points table only shows through the first 8 rounds. I'll see if I can find the complete results. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Road America photos[edit]

I photographed the entire field of cars from Daytona Prototype and GT classes at the Road America event from yesterday. It was a combined event with the NASCAR Nationwide Series. Most of the photos look at a professional type level if I do say so myself. I'll load them as I have time after cropping them down. I may need help with figuring which articles they need to get put on and I'll ask if I need some.

I have photographed the Sunday races for the SCCA Nationals (U.S.) in 2009 and 2010 so prompt me if any of these cars are interesting to the WikiProject. Last year I mainly uploaded cars to provide images for the classes such as Formula Continental. Royalbroil 03:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Good stuff. Most of the DPs themselves don't have articles, but some could be appropriate for the manufacturer's articles. For the SCCA cars it would be great to have an example of each class; I've had in the back of my mind an idea for combining some of the shorter stubs on SCCA classes into a List of SCCA classes or something like that. Also, a correction: the #90 DP is Antonio García and Paul Edwards. --Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 04:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. I uploaded images of all of the SCCA classes that I had (as far as I know but I can review). Here's 2009 and 2010. Would you please add the images to the appropriate articles? I haven't added any. You'll have a much better idea which chassis, manufacturers, car makes, team, and drivers need images. I have plenty to do with taking care of the 42 NASCAR Nationwide images from the same day. Royalbroil 00:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Daytona Prototype[edit]




I was about to write the article on the DeltaWing in Spanish, so I thought of having a look at the English article as usual. But there wasn't any! I'm very surprised of that. Where's the fundamentalist IndyCar fan rushing on February 2010. Whatever, now I've done it, so I hope you help to expand it. See you! --NaBUru38 (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Categorizing correctly (Commons)[edit]

Hi, I am cleaning up with all its subcats. I am removing photos that show cars that did obviously not participate there. Some examples are this one, this one, this one, this one and even this one. But I am not sure what to do with photos showing cars that participated at Le Mans once but the photos were not taken at Le Mans. So that they are no authentic photos of the races in which they are categorized in. Some examples are this one, this one, this one, this one, this one and this one. In my opinion these photos should also become removed from Le Mans categories because otherwise you would have to be consequent and sort them into categories of each races in which they took part but not only Le Mans. I would prefer only authentic photos of Le Mans races to be sorted into the Le Mans categories like on this page. What would you do? -- (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

You could create a new category called "commons:Category:24 Hours of Le Mans cars" or something similar, and place the car's category (e.g. commons:Category:Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta SWB, commons:Category:Porsche 356 B Carrera GTL Abarth, or commons:category:Audi R18 TDI) into it. It would be a lot of work to find every model raced, though. As far as ex-Le Mans cars photographed elsewhere, I don't really know if those need to be collected separately, especially since cars can be re-painted in more famous liveries than they originally carried... —Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 06:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

SCCA National Runoffs[edit]

I went to the Sunday event, and I'm wondering how some of the classes are named here in Wikipedia. Specifically - American Sedan (AS), Formula 1000 (FB), Touring 2 (T2), and E Production (EP). One's that I have figured out is Formula Atlantic, GT1, and Sports 2000

I took photographs of many of the cars and definitely the winners. It was an ugly rainy day and the photos reflect the wetness. I'm sure that most of the afternoon drivers were soaked from head to toe and needed to change into dry clothes when they were done. Royalbroil 02:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I'd highly doubt WIkipedia would cover such categories, especially as they tend to be SCCA-specific and therefore are mostly amateurish in nature. Categories such as Atlantics and Sports 2000 are the few that have been utilized in other series. The359 (Talk) 03:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
I've had an idea for a List of SCCA classes article for a while, but haven't gotten around to doing it. Representative photos of every class would be useful. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 21:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
How many classes have their been over the life of the SCCA, that could become a quite long and even a complicated list if the classes have changed over time. The359 (Talk) 02:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, that's partly why it's still just an idea :). I know there's ~40 classes now, and the structure was completely different in the 50s and early 60s. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 03:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
If the article happens, please leave me a message on my talk page. I went to the Sunday Runoffs in 2009, 2010, and 2011 so I bet I photographed representative cars in most of the classes. I hope the article happens. Royalbroil 03:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

"Best finish" in Le Mans driver infoboxes[edit]

Over the past few days, I've noticed a few edits like this one, where the "Best finish" field in a driver's Le Mans infobox has been changed from their best overall result to their best class result. Which is preferable? (noting that the documentation for {{Infobox Le Mans driver}} doesn't provide any guidance). Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I imagine that best overall is a better statistic, since the early half of Le Mans races had multiple classes able to win the race overall. It's certainly possible to change the Class Victories section to Best Class Finish. I just don't want that box to get too large or complicated, especially with the also recent addition of full statistics for every Le Mans race on a driver's page which, quite honestly, is a bit overdetailed for a "summary". The359 (Talk) 02:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Or just remove the line from the infobox. If it's an interpretable stat rather than a hard and fast one, we probably shouldn't be making an attempt to judge. --Falcadore (talk) 07:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Le Mans Regulations[edit]

The Specs for LMP1 and LMP2 are exactly the other way round! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Racing Car?[edit]

There is no page on how a racing car works, (correct me if I'm wrong). Racing setup isn't that complete. And I, that means others, have questions (ones that can be answered by an article) that are pretty obvious. There is a page on F1 cars, but I can't find any on Grand Tourers or Touring Cars. By this I mean I can't find how these racing cars a setup: Brake systems; fuel systems; diffs etc. Has anyone else seen this, or is there a reason? Starfleet Academy "Live long and prosper." 03:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit: I should say that my question that I was hoping to find isn't one of these that I have stated, these are just examples. Starfleet Academy "Live long and prosper." 03:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
Well really you're looking at it from the wrong angle. Formula One is one type of open wheel car, in which the rules are quite clearly laid out for this specific type of open wheel car. A touring car or grand tourer however is not one specific type of car, it is a generic overview. A more fitting example similar to Formula One would be something akin to Group C, Group 5 (racing), Super Touring, Super 2000, or Next Generation Touring Car.
As for how a racing car works, they work rather similarly to how a car works, why would they need a different explanation? Differences such as downforce are explained in other articles. The359 (Talk) 04:04, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

2012 European Le Mans Series[edit]

  • Folks, the Le Mans Series will revert its name to European Le Mans Series (like in 2001). Those articles should be merged, like I did in the Spanish-language Wikipedia. Good luck! --NaBUru38 (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
  • First, the series is not reverting back to the European Le Mans Series name because the series was originally the Le Mans Endurance Series. The 2001 European Le Mans Series was an entirely different series. Second, nothing official has been announced yet, therefore it can wait. The359 (Talk) 18:34, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The E-I article says they contacted the organizers, and that the change is coming, so we should at least be ready. I propose that the content currently on European Le Mans Series (minus the APLMS section) be moved to 2001 European Le Mans Series season. There may need to be some admin trickery involved, like histmerging the two and then moving Le Mans Series to European Le Mans Series. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
This was the same idea I had been rolling in my mind, ELMS merged into the 2001 season, and moving the LMS article there. The359 (Talk) 01:28, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Some of the content of ELMS should be actually merged into the new ELMS/LMES/LMS article too. I'll do everything, contact the admins, and you fix the issues. --NaBUru38 (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm an admin. Let me know what needs to be done. I'm not familiar with the situation so I would need to understand the situation first before doing anything. Royalbroil 13:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Maserati links[edit]

As a result of this discussion at WikiProject Formula One, all references to "Maserati" in Formula One race reports now link to Maserati in motorsport, rather than Maserati. Would anyone object to me making the same change for sports car race reports? As an example, in 1954 24 Hours of Le Mans, this:
| [[Maserati]] A6GCS
| [[Maserati]] 2.0L I6
would be changed to:
| [[Maserati in motorsport|Maserati]] A6GCS
| [[Maserati in motorsport|Maserati]] 2.0L I6

DH85868993 (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

No objections in general, but in the example given, it would be better to link the car to Maserati A6 or it's Maserati A6GCS redirect. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:39, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:2003 Le Mans Series season at CFD[edit]

I've listed Category:2003 Le Mans Series season for deletion. Please join the discussion here. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 04:02, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Main page formatting[edit]

I have taken it upon myself to attempt to improve the look of the main project page a little bit. Before anyone freaks out I haven't actually changed the main page! I have, though, gone ahead and created some of the necessary pages to see my vision potentially come to life with the help and approval of the active members of this project. I have created a page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sports_Car_Racing/Tab_header that demonstrates what I'm thinking of. I was thinking something in the line of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history but hopefully different enough to distinguish us.

Thoughts or suggestions? I'm open and won't cry if I get completely shot down and my work deleted; this is Wikipedia after all. --Sabre ball (talk) 18:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks good, but we don't have anything to put under the Academy, Assessment, A-Class review, Contests, Awards, or Showcase tabs. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 04:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, I was aware those tabs would be empty but I was hoping if I started the ball some others would help me roll it. We don't have to have every tab filled in from the start. We don't even have to have those tabs. Suggestions for other tabs? --Sabre ball (talk) 12:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I've modified the tab header to remove most the tabs we don't currently need. I also filled several other tabs so that the content is hopefully well organized. Check it out please. All suggestions are welcome --Sabre ball (talk) 13:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Adding classes to Template:WikiProject Sports Car Racing[edit]

I'd like to propose we add classes to the Sports Car Racing template. I believe this would really help facilitate the advancement of the project. It would allow us to really see where we need to work and how much work we have to left to do. Granted, I realize we'll always have work to do.

As far as the template is concerned we merely need to |class= to the template. I will admit I got anxious and I've already created all the necessary categories. If anyone has any objections let me know. --Sabre ballTC 15:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I hate to have to respond to my post but after heavily reformatting the project's site and implementing classes into the project's template I have to admit I think it's thus far been a success. That is assuming you measure success in terms of how many of your edits have been reverted or pages created deleted. Given that, I would like to invite as many of the projects members as possible to assist me in grading the remaining un-assessed articles we have. They can be found here Category:Unassessed Sports Car Racing articles. Any and all help would be appreciated!! --Sabre ball t c 18:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month[edit]

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Sports Car Racing will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in racing history. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Sports Car Racing vs Touring Car Racing[edit]

Whats the rational behind this project not covering Touring cars? The difference between the two, in my opinion, is so small its negligible. Supposedly sports cars are more expensive and more advanced, but series like DTM really run counter to that and in my opinion is a sports car racing series in all but the name. --Sabre ball t c 15:32, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Why doesn't it include open wheelers? The differences there are not great either. Sports car has for upwards of thirty years now been based on specialist racing cars where as touring cars are based on road going production models. GT cars are closer to Touring Car racing, but this is not the GT Wikiproject. GT cars are an offshoot of Sports cars and GTs are grouped together with Sports cars mainly for logistical reasons as Sports cars and GTs frequently race together. In truth Sports car have more in common with open wheelers than Touring cars.
Touring cars also almost always has not been an international class (unlike Sports cars which is almost always international) of racing but most often a domestic class of racing and as thus it has been handled by various Wikiprojects as British Motorsport and Australian motorsport.
And Touring car racing has its own advocate body in the Touring Car Racing taskforce.
Personally I completely reject that Sports cars is closer to Touring Cars than other branches of the sport. Using DTM has an example when it is very far from typical amongst touring car formulae highlights the flaws in your arguement. --Falcadore (talk) 01:03, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd argue that touring car racing and rally racing are much closer to each other, as they are both based on high production, low displacement cars and many of the rules in both forms of racing have allowed similar cars to compete in both disciplines. Group A, S2000, S1600, all apply to both categories. The359 (Talk) 01:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, I suppose I can't really argue with either of you on those points. I guess my issue is more a semantic one with the name itself. In my mind I suppose I look at racing in one of three categories: purpose built prototypes (lemans), purpose built open wheel prototypes (f1), and race cars that look like street cars. Don't ask where NASCAR fits into that. As, both of you have pointed out there are signifigant differences between touring and sports, but as a casual observer you're either racing what appears to be a street car or you're not. --Sabre ball t c 15:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Perhpas you're confusion is linked to what Sports car racing is - Sports car racing IS purpose built prototypes (lemans). Street car GTs like Ferrari 458s and Porsche 911s are a bit of an add-on to Sports cars racing, but not really. If that isn't well defined in the article lead maybe it needs to be redefined, or GT racing may need to be separated. Do you think the article lead needs to be re-written to better distinguish Sports Car racing from GT racing?
FYI, NASCAR is essentially Stock car racing, a category with Touring Car roots, although it evolved prior to the creation of Touring car racing, but like Australian Sports Sedan racing and Bernie Ecclestone's aborted 1988 World Touring Car regulations are actually Silhouette racing cars. --Falcadore (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
You're right. It is the difference between what the article calls "Sports prototypes" versus "Grand Touring." So if LeMans prototypes are "Sports Cars" the real problem is the difference between GT racing and Touring Car (TC?) racing. I don't think a new article needs created but I think would clarify up front (in the lead) that GT racing is a sub-class(?) of Sports Car racing and hint upon the difference between GT and Touring Cars. Neither GT or TC cars are mentioned in the lead. --Sabre ball t c 20:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Touring cars are basically modified road cars. GT cars, at least at the higher end, such as the old GT1/2 are not; they are purpose-built and more related to silhouette racing than touring cars. Anyway, this discussion is absurd, touring cars have always been a totally different breed from sports cars. There is no common denominator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Renamed categories[edit]

Discussion moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Entrants_categories.


Are crew chiefs like Darian Grubb considered notable? Clarityfiend (talk) 05:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

My answer would be yes, but this isn't really the correct place to ask that. This WikiProject doesn't cover NASCAR. Instead I'd ask at NASCAR's own wikiproject or our shared parent project of WikiProject Motorsports. --Sabre ball t c 12:12, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
So far as I'm concerned, as long as you can fully and properly fulfill the terms of WP:GNG then you are good to go. As this point raised here is a fairly broad one I'm happy to answer here, and make the additional point that simply identifying a class of person who is notable isn't really helpful. Multiple, reliable, independent, significant sources are the key, no matter who they are or what they do. Pyrope 16:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
As a member of WikiProject NASCAR, generally crew chiefs are considered notable since there is enough independent reliably sourced information about them to meet the GNG (General Notability Guideline). Royalbroil 01:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)


A topic of discussion regarding references that differ from one another has begun at Talk:DeltaWing. Additional feedback would be helpful. Thanks, 72Dino (talk) 04:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople[edit]

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Aggregated racing driver infoboxes[edit]

User:Frietjes has proposed making changes to the various series-specific racing driver infoboxes ({{Infobox F1 driver}}, {{Infobox Le Mans driver}}, {{Infobox WRC driver}}, etc) to allow them to be embedded inside {{Infobox racing driver}}, such that a driver's article may contain a single infobox covering all the different series in which they have particpated, rather than multiple infoboxes - see Andy Priaulx as an example. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver#addition_of_modules. DH85868993 (talk) 01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Two Eric Lux[edit]

Hi, just fyi there's a mix up of links off Dyson Racing and 2008 24 Hours of Daytona. The outgoing links are going to the Luxembourg businessman who part-owns team Lotus Renault not to the American driver.

Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

NC/DNF cars in classifications[edit]

Hi, I worry that we have some serious mistakes in results tables of Sports Car Races. For example let's compare the race classification of 2012 24 Hours of Le Mans on Wikipedia with the official race classification. In official results cars that were not classified or retired are not ranked on positions. But on Wikipedia these cars are ranked on positions (all cars from P34 to P56). This means Sports Car Racing results on Wikipedia depart from official Sports Car Racing results. Shouldn't this be corrected? -- (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

2012 season articles needing work[edit]

Time for my annual post about incomplete season articles. The following series articles are little more than tables. Most of them don't even explain what they are, whether they are open wheel series, where they are held, who won the series! Apparently a series as important as DTM considers the point score system more important than the series champion.

The situation is also encouraging new editors to be likewise poor in seasonal coverage.

So while the majority of series are in hibernation perhaps we could spend a few days improving these articles.

Surely it would be more important and productive than arguing over whether Mercedes or Mercedes AMG is the correct terminiology for a constructor? Less minuatae!

No mention of series winner:
2012 American Le Mans Series season
2012 Australian GT Championship season
2012 Blancpain Endurance Series season
2012 British GT season
2012 Campeonato Brasileiro de GT season
2012 Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge season
2012 European Le Mans Series season
2012 FIA GT1 World Championship season
2012 FIA GT3 European Championship season
2012 FIA World Endurance Championship season
2012 Ginetta GT Supercup season
2012 Ginetta Junior Championship season
2012 International GT Open season
2012 Lamborghini Super Trofeo season
2012 Porsche Carrera Cup Great Britain
2012 Porsche Supercup season
2012 Rolex Sports Car Series season
2012 Super GT season

Series winner mentioned but no season review:

  • Indicates race summaries, but a lack of season review

2012 Australian Carrera Cup Championship
Incomplete results: 2012 Australian GT Championship season
2012 Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge season

Thank you for your time. --Falcadore (talk) 05:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

#25: wrong start no. in 1978 LeMans grid[edit]


the list of the 78 LeMans grid ( contains in the line Kremer: "Porsche Kremer Racing" with the drivers Louis Krages, Dieter Schornstein, Philippe Gurdjian, car type "Porsche 935/77", run "182 laps" the start no. "25".

As far as pics (i.e. see,r:0,s:100,i:4) and other documents suggest the number should read "45".

Thanks for condering a possible neccessary coreection.

Best regards dj0711 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:33, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Different results for 2012 12 Hours of Sebring[edit]

Hi, can you please have a look at Talk:2012 12 Hours of Sebring? -- (talk) 16:02, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration[edit]

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Missing 'Class' and 'Importance'[edit]

WikiProject SCR

Could I ask you to assign a Class and Importance Rating to the McLaren article? Thank you kindly. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 08:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I've assessed the article as 'C' class. This project doesn't assign Importance ratings. DH85868993 (talk) 01:19, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
For importance assessments, we can just check the importance in the Wikiproject Motorsport. There's no need to assess all articles again. --NaBUru38 (talk) 23:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move of '24 Hours of Le Mans' to 'Le Mans 24 Hours'[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion here. Petecarney (talk) 17:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Drivers Standings Tables[edit]

I've noticed that on the page for the 2013 ALMS as well as all the old Can-Am seasons from the 60's and 70's the tables for the drivers championship standings are formatted in such a way to show the points scored at each race rather than the color coded tables with the driver's finishing positions like the ones on the FIA WEC, F1, IndyCar, NASCAR etc. pages. I think the latter version is better because it shows you where EVERY driver finished, not just the ones who finished in the points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2014 (UTC) reliability question[edit]

since the site is used all over think you guys should chime in. Please see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Is this website a suitable reliable source? -- Moxy (talk) 20:34, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

  • It's very reliable for racing results, which is pretty much all it provides. On occasion, it's been more reliable than an official source (some of the earlier 2000s British GT results are clearly wrong on the official website, for example; cars inexplicably missing, drivers with incorrect nationalities or names, drivers having three separate entries in the championship standings, etc.) It's been used in GAs and DYK hooks for years, historically and recently. Most of the GA articles that fall under this WikiProject, and are for racing cars, use it as a source. And quite often, it is nigh-on impossible to find these results anywhere else online. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Being used elsewhere on Wikipedia does not address its reliability. British GT's website is constantly brought up as having errors, but this does not negate that official results do exist for other series and are free of errors. These should always be used instead of other sources. The359 (Talk) 17:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
  • You are correct, and I always do so whenever possible. However, your comment does not address the fact that for a good majority of series, this is simply impossible (unless you happen to have access to a library of books, and even then, they'll only cover a few series). The fact it has been reliable enough for usage in GAs does address its reliability. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:39, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Mercedes-Benz C291 - no refs/sources as of 2014 - delete?[edit]

Hi. I noticed that the article for Mercedes-Benz C291 is tagged requesting sources/pointing out there are none, going back to Dec. 2006. This really isn't my area of interest or expertise, but I saw on the article talk page your project listed, so I thought I would make you all aware of it. I'm just learning more about Wikipedia so I don't know if there is danger the Mercedes-Benz C291 could be deleted b/c it's unsourced (??) - hopefully someone here is interested enough to ensure this doesn't happen in any case. Cheers. JDanek007Talk 00:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Mercedes-Benz C11 - no refs/sources as of 2014 - delete?[edit]

Hi. I noticed that the article for Mercedes-Benz C11 is tagged requesting sources/pointing out there are none, going back several years. This really isn't my area of interest or expertise, but I saw on the article talk page your project listed, so I thought I would make you all aware of it, like I did for the other Mercedes sports car article above ^^^. I'm just learning more about Wikipedia so I don't know if there is danger the Mercedes-Benz C11 could be deleted b/c it's unsourced (??) - hopefully someone here is interested enough to ensure that doesn't happen in any case. Cheers. JDanek007Talk 00:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

It will not be deleted for being unsourced, the template is merely saying that information that could be questioned could be deleted if it does not have a source. There are sources out there, it was just not put inline as it should be on a Wikipedia article. The359 (Talk) 17:34, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Template for individual car competition history?[edit]

I'm wondering if there is a generally accepted template for the competition history of a single car (such as for a one-off racing car or a particularly famous example of a production model). Something in a table form, that can sit in a section of the main body of the article. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Rssyng (talk) 20:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm a little confused by what you mean. Something like Porsche 919 Hybrid#Complete World Endurance Championship results? The359 (Talk) 21:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
This is sort of what I was thinking of, but I had in mind an even simpler table, perhaps with just "Race", "Course", "Date", "Driver", "Overall Result", "Result in Class" as the columns and individual rows for each race. I've been editing a couple pages for one-off vintage racing cars that only participated in a few races, often in different series, and that sort of series-oriented template seems cumbersome for those pages. Rssyng (talk) 23:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
All you need is a simple HELP:TABLE. There is nothing pre-made for something like that. The359 (Talk) 23:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Rssyng (talk) 23:44, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Road America events June 21, 2014[edit]

I have tickets for the NASCAR Nationwide Series race at Road America next Saturday June 21. Included are Pirelli Word Challenge and SCCA Pro Trans-Am Series races. It sounds like a fun full day! I'll photograph all cars and any drivers that I see for all 3 events. Is there any other detailed photos that anyone wants? Hopefully the weather will cooperate but rain makes interesting racing too! Royalbroil 15:31, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Off hand, there's nothing really in Trans-Am that is of much interest, and I don't think there's anything unique in World Challenge that we don't already have photos of. The359 (Talk) 15:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I was fortunate to be in the right place at the right time as the Pirelli World Challenge cars were lining up at 8:15am. I got pics of many cars and some drivers from the front of the field. I could positively identify several from their names on belt buckets: Anthony Lazzaro (racing driver), Jack Baldwin (racing driver), Butch Leitzinger, and Johnny O'Connell pics were added to their articles. I'm very happy to finally see pics of such major drivers! I wonder who the woman is in Lazzaro's picture?? I also got pics of a few drivers who don't have articles (Nick Mancuso, Jack Roush, Jr., and Mike Skeen) which I'm happy to upload to Commons if someone wants to make up an article. I added Roush's photo to the Roush Performance Racing article. They all are post them on my flickr stream. I couldn't identify several people that I think were drivers and I ask for help to identify them: 1 and 2. Royalbroil 18:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
#2 is Lawson Aschenbach, not sure about #1. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 20:18, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Aschenbach makes sense since he was starting toward the front of the grid. Royalbroil 05:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Sometimes it pays to procrastinate: I just got around to watching the Detroit race, and who happened to have a wreck and get some camera time? None other than Mystery Driver #1: Craig Capaldi. The Lewis Hamilton-esque bling gave him away... Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 02:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

World Sports Racing Prototypes domain change -[edit]

The website called World Sports Racing Prototypes is often referenced as a source for some sports car racing data. For example here:

The website was on a domain But the provider disabled direct access from abroad, so it is now needed to write a code to get there. As a results of this, the accessibility for common visitors became very difficult so a new domain was bought and the website was moved to For that reason I would like to ask you at Wikipedia, if it is possible to change all WSRP site references to the new domain.

The WSRP website used to be referenced by any of these domains: (not updated since 2014) (not updated since 2005) (not updated since 2001)

Any of these should be merged under, which is the only official website and the only one to be updated in the future. If you are able to do it, it would be great. I believe this would make the user experience of Wiki visitors better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

It's something that will need to be done, yes, but how easily we will be able to undertake it will be the question. We may have to create a bot to change all the URLs to the current domain. The359 (Talk) 21:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

"sportscar" v "sports car"[edit]

I invite interested editors to comment at Wikipedia talk:Typo Team#"sportscar" v "sports car" DH85868993 (talk) 08:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Request to get Ferrari 250 GTO to get into WP:ITN (cleanup also required)[edit]

Because the Ferrari 250 GTO broke the world auction record last night, as I feel this deserves to be as it is one of the most desirable cars of them all, I am trying to get this into WP:ITN/C but it appears that this article is in real need of improvement. My reasons for nomination is considering WP:ITN in the past had photographs, sculptures and even a manuscript for Bob Dylan's lyrics, so my argument is if these are considered to be art, why can't cars be. I will be very grateful for any cooperation. Link for ITN nomination. Donnie Park (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed change to wiki markup for motorsport results tables[edit]

Hi WikiProject Sports Car Racing. The wiki markup used to produce the background colour in most motorsport results tables (bgcolor="#XXXXXX") is no longer valid HTML and as a result doesn't work properly on mobile devices (no background colour is displayed). There is a proposal at WikiProject Formula One to get a bot to update the markup for all the articles within that WikiProject's scope. I'm letting this project know (a) so that you won't be surprised/confused if you suddenly see lots of articles being updated and are wondering why and (b) just in case you know of a reason why this would be a bad idea. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One#Bot request. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 10:21, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

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Ford GT40[edit]

The Ford GT40 did not win the Lemans...from 1966 to 1969 (1966 being the Mk II, 1967 the Mk IV, and 1968-1969) It was won by a Mirage Ford.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

The Mirage M1, based on the GT40, never won Le Mans. Ford GT40s won in all four years. The359 (Talk) 19:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Where does it say a Mirage won in the 1960s? --Falcadore (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Is that because John Wyer built the racing versions? Wyer built them for Ford, and Ford paid for them. How does that make them Mirages? --Pc13 (talk) 18:21, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
As far as I understand it, JWA built the chassis of the 1968 and 1969 winner basically as a 4.7 litre GT40 and converted it into a Mirage M1, mostly through the addition of sleeker bodywork, but with some adjustments to braking systems and with a 5.7 litre long-stroke engine. At the end of 1967, as the M2 Mirage wasn't ready and the big banger cars had been outlawed, JWA reconverted it back to GT40 specification bodywork (with fatter arches) and refitted a 4.7 litre engine (stretched to 5.0 litres), but keeping much of the other improvements they had made. Chassis 1075 (which was a GT40, for all that) then famously won Le Mans two years on the trot. The extensive Motor Sport Archive has some material covering much of this sequence in American Evolution (2010) by Gordon Cruickshank, and Mirage Racing (1968) by Jenks, and there is probably a lot more but their awkward search engine and imperfect OCR renderings mean I couldn't find it in a hurry. Interestingly, with respect to the OP's initial comment, GC notes in his article that 1968 was the first win for a GT40! Pyrope 20:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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Mercedes-Benz CLR peer review[edit]

A peer review of Mercedes-Benz CLR is under way. The article is currently at Good Article status and I am trying to get it to Featured Article status. Any helpful comments are more than welcomed. The359 (Talk) 07:42, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Most wanted articles on races[edit]

From WP:WANTED, here are the red links for articles on racing events (so far as I can tell) that have the most incoming links:

Cheers! bd2412 T 21:43, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I am 99% certain all of these are sprint car racing or NASCAR races, none of which have to do with sports car racing. The359 (Talk) 04:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Equipe Matra Sports[edit]

I notice that the description of Matra's motorsport activities have been moved out of the Matra article into a new article: Equipe Matra Sports. If there are no objections, then some time in the next few days I'll change all the sportscar racing-related references to Matra which currently link to Matra to link to the new article instead. DH85868993 (talk) 00:28, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. It separates the road cars and other business from the race cars. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 03:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, this makes sense, the motorsport section of Matra never seemed adequate as it was. The359 (Talk) 04:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
OK. I think I've got most of them. Feel free to fix any I've missed. DH85868993 (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Renaming discussion - TUSC[edit]

I have started a discussion at Talk:United SportsCar Championship regarding the renaming of the series and how to handle the appropriate 2016 article, currently titled 2016 IMSA SportsCar Championship season. Input is welcome. The359 (Talk) 18:44, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Jac Nelleman[edit]

FYI, I've started a discussion about the correct spelling of this driver's surname at Talk:Jac Nelleman#Nelleman or Nellemann?. DH85868993 (talk) 08:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission[edit]

See Draft:Lola LC87. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 19:30, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Lola LC87 is not a sports car. The article would hopefully have made that clear. --Falcadore (talk) 00:25, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Not a car, huh? Have a look at Draft:Williams FW as well. Cheers, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 01:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Not a Sports Car. Yes a car, but definately not a sports car.
Likewise Williams Formula One cars are also very definately not Sports Cars. You need to take these to the Formula One wikiproject. --Falcadore (talk) 01:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Season in progress footnotes[edit]

I have proposed a change to the wording of the "Season in progress" footnotes which accompany motorsport results tables for which the season is still in progress. Interested editors are invited to comment at the centralised discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 21:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Dilantha Malagamuwa[edit]

I fairly certain that Dilantha Malagamuwa fails to satisfy WP:NMOTORSPORT but don't know whether the Formula Nippon (F3000) is considered a fully professional series or not. Was hoping that an editor here could help me out and confirm whether he satisfies the criteria before I lodge an AfD. Dan arndt (talk) 11:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Not sports car related, but I can tell you that Super Formula/Formula Nippon/Japanese Formula 3000 is the top open-wheel series in Japan, so I would say he satisfies notability in that regard. He also has a championship in the GT Asia Series so I think that helps as well. The359 (Talk) 15:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Ferrari 330 TRI/LM article[edit]

Can I get any second opinion regarding my hook for the Ferrari 330 TRI/LM article as a reviewer does not think it is particularly "hook worthy" and "most cars get driven around after their first owner sells it after all" especially if that's a Le Mans winner and the last front engined car to do so.

Let's have your opinion on Template:Did you know nominations/Ferrari 330 TRI/LM, thanks. Donnie Park (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


I just declined a speedy on Paul Miller Racing since it looks like they might be notable, however the article needs a lot of work and I'm not really familiar enough with this stuff to know what to look for. Anyone interested? Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 10:03, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Tokyogirl79: I've improved the article since the minimal version which I'd speedy-nominated, but it now needs improving by someone who actually knows and cares about autoracing. PamD 12:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
There's also the question whether Paul Miller (racing driver) (several incoming links) should include info on the racing team, as in German Wikipedia, or the team article include info on him, or whether we need two articles. The Germans also have an article about Peter's brother Kenper Miller (several incoming links), but they don't have one about P's son Bryce Miller, which we do have. Over to you. PamD 13:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
I think both the driver and the team have had enough of a racing history to need an article but they are from two totally different eras, so combining them into a single article would likely be disjointed. The359 (Talk) 16:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Template proposed for merging[edit]

It has been proposed that {{Infobox Sports Car Championship}} be merged into {{Infobox motorsport championship}}. Interested editors are invited to express their opinions at the merge discussion. DH85868993 (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


I can't understand how "strikethrough" works on the tasks of the To-Do List. Please help me! MC12GT1 (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2017 (UTC)