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fix ref to pdf in intro

the intro sentance should have a direct link to the pdf at the bottom of the page - it should be crystal clear as to what the actual text of the ryan plan is. I emphasize this because on the web, and in the news media, the actual text of stuff, particulalry stuff from DC, is often hard to find. Cinnamon colbert (talk) 02:44, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Cinnamon colbert and I added the link to the budget plan as a reference to text I added. Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced

The article offers only a passing mention of the proposal itself, while Democrat criticism represents the bulk of the content. Article needs more detail about the specific goals and provisions of the initiative, and Republican commentary balanced to Dem opposition. Lionel (talk) 23:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is still an issue, though it seems to have been improved somewhat. The large majority of sources here set out harsh criticism, and little response to this criticism is given. The "Reactions and Debate" section, I think, should try to move from a set of things various people have said about the proposal, toward a real discussion of pros and cons. This means assembling these various soundbytes into coherent points of view both for and against the plans.Forbes72 (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Income tax rates

what income tax rates does Paul propose ? it should be clearer in the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.151.0.13 (talk) 02:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could we get more information about the tax changes? It's only one line about one of the most debated parts of the plan. It mentions reducing the rate and getting rid of certain deductions, credits and subsidies, but not which ones. Deductions, credits and subsidies are a very wide variety. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.161.31 (talk) 04:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Premium support payments

Isn't premium support payments just ''newspeak'' for vouchers. The CBO considers his plan to be vouchers. In previous proposals, such as the Roadmap for America proposal, Ryan advocates Medicare vouchers. In his 2012 budget proposal, he just replaces the word voucher with premium support payments. Nursebhayes (talk) 23:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're simply factually wrong.

(1)Watch his FNS interview. The program be almost identical to the healthcare plan that Congresspeople currently receive as well as current Medicare Part D, neither or which are described as "vouchers".

(2)It is not relevant what the Roadmap said. That is a separate proposal.

(3)It does not matter what Ryan "wants" mentally or ideologically, what matters is what's written in the paper of the proposal-- which this article is about.

(4)In a voucher, the government pays you (directly). Then you choose what to use the money on (think of food stamps or a carnival ride ticket). In this plan, the government will continue to pay the providers, it's just that the individuals will choose which private company and which private plan to have as a middle man. Conceptionally, it is wrong to call this a voucher. At no point does the person personally receive the funds.

(5)The CBO does not call this a voucher. Read the report cited. 129.120.177.8 (talk) 01:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(1) There's a crucial difference. See #3 below.

(2) This proposal evolved from prior proposals, including this one submitted to the CBO in November 2010: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/119xx/doc11966/11-17-Rivlin-Ryan_Preliminary_Analysis.pdf

The language in these two proposals is almost identical except that voucher system has been replaced with premium support payments.

(3) That's right. It doesn't matter which term Ryan wants us to use. I understand the fact that the term ‘vouchers’ carries negative undertones. If the system is a voucher, then let’s define i as a voucher.

The defining attribute of “premium support” plans is that the amount of support was to be indexed to average health care costs, and not to wider economic indexes, such as consumer prices, as Ryan proposes. This difference is crucial. Voucher plans are virtually guaranteed to become increasingly inadequate; premium support plans will not.

This proposal indexes the support to consumer prices, and is a voucher system. For decades, per person health care spending has exceeded price growth by an average of about 4 percentage points a year. It is not surprising, therefore, that the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the share of health care expenses that a typical elderly beneficiary would have to pay out of pocket would go up in 2030—from 25-30 percent under current law, to 68 percent under the Ryan plan. http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/04/06/vouchers-or-premium-support-whats-in-a-name/

By the way, the healthcare plan that Congressmen currently receive works the other way. When inflation increases the average health care costs, the government picks up most of the tab. Under Ryan’s proposal, the beneficiaries must pick up the increases in health care costs due to inflation – that how the plan saves money.

(4) A voucher is a voucher. It doesn't matter if there are intermediaries.

(5) See #2 above. Nursebhayes (talk) 06:51, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Overly Political Criticism/Debate, Needs Economists

This section has what politicians are saying on cable news stations, which is pretty poor standard for actual debate over the policy. There's a lot of economist backlash on this plan which is unstated here. Pardon my frankness, but who cares what Steny Hoyer and Eric Cantor say in soundbytes or slightly longer chat. The budget plan has many economic predictions baked in that have been shown either highly unlikely or outright wrong by all modern economic theory. For instance, the unemployment rate falling below 3%. Krugman and many many others have pointed these things out, and this article needs to contain those viewpoints in more than a watered-down "he thinks it's not fair" way. Kismetjim (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CBO - Federal Spending as %GDP Under Alternative Scenarios and Ryan's Path

Something seems to be wrong with the image. It just won't appear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ItCanHappen (talk • contribs) 23:43, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A Blueprint for American Renewal

{{request edit}} I've updated this article to include details about Ryan's budget proposal for 2013, titled The Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal. There's now a section that focuses on this new version of the budget proposal, outlining a basic overview of the proposal's aims. I've also drafted up a short paragraph with some commentary from The Heritage Foundation and the Center for American Progress. As I work for Heritage, and the material I've put together uses Heritage as a source, I'd like to run this by other editors rather than adding it directly. If you think this is appropriate, can you please add it to the end of the new "Blueprint for American Renewal" section? Thanks, Kalkaska sand (talk) 16:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the commentary I propose:

Conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation has praised the budget proposal for its cuts to federal spending and for making defense a priority, although it commented that the plan was not bold or aggressive enough with entitlement reforms and spending reductions.^[1]^[2] The proposal received criticism from progressive organizations, including the Center for American Progress, which argued that the plan would have a negative impact on all but the top 1% and "especially hurts communities of color."^[3]

Done. Light-jet pilot (talk) 23:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two items of interest. 1. Can we remove the box that says this page was nominated for deletion but was sentenced to stay? Two, someone had removed info from the public section piece that I believe was relevant (in fact VERY relevant to public opinion) involving opinion of deficit. Any reason to keep it out? If not, its goin back in.DaltonCastle (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, someone already got around to it.DaltonCastle (talk) 23:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The box about the nomination for deletion and Keep are part of the history of consensus. It does not mean that the budget should be deleted but that a past version of this article was discussed and was found worthy of Wikipedia. Geraldshields11 (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Alison Acosta Fraser (March 20, 2012). "First Reactions to Ryan's Path to Prosperity Budget". The Foundry. The Heritage Foundation. Retrieved March 22, 2012. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
^ Baker Spring (March 21, 2012). "Ryan's Budget Proposal: A Down Payment on the Common Defense". The Foundry. The Heritage Foundation. Retrieved March 30, 2012.
^ Daniella Gibbs Leger (March 21, 2012). "Ryan Budget Would Cause More Pain for Communities of Color". Center For American Progress. Retrieved March 30, 2012.

Section for the "Roadmap" Plan?

I think we need a section for the Paul Ryan "Roadmap" Plan which was essentially a more ambitious version of the Path to Prosperity. Among other things it would do the Path plan as well as privatize social security. It was covered in the New Yorker profile which seems absent from this article. CartoonDiablo (talk) 05:40, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Border Adjustment

See the below recent article from the Economist on lowering the corporate income tax rate and the impacts of closing loopholes on imports/exports and the value of the dollar. It would probably need one or two more similar reliable sources to back up the claims, but I don't see anything yet in the article on "border adjustment" claims. Shaded0 (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

* http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21711885-paul-ryans-tax-overhaul-would-send-dollar-soaring-republican-plans-cut

I added this info to A Better Way - Ryan and Brady's bill on tax reform in 2016. Shaded0 (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Alison Acosta Fraser (March 20, 2012). "First Reactions to Ryan's Path to Prosperity Budget". The Foundry. The Heritage Foundation. Retrieved March 22, 2012. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[2] Baker Spring (March 21, 2012). "Ryan's Budget Proposal: A Down Payment on the Common Defense". The Foundry. The Heritage Foundation. Retrieved March 30, 2012.

[3] Daniella Gibbs Leger (March 21, 2012). "Ryan Budget Would Cause More Pain for Communities of Color". Center For American Progress. Retrieved March 30, 2012.

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