Talk:Sanjeev Sanyal

Reverts

I have reverted recent edits of Mixmon for being promotional. Some of them belongs but in a copyedited form. I will take a look soon. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Adding details is promotional as per wiki policy? Mixmon (talk) 12:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

An IP editor has reverted to the version by Kautilya3.^[1] The key differences are:

• In the lead: FRGS
  • There is a statement that "Sanyal has been a fellow of the Royal Geographical Society" in the body of the article, which is almost a word-for-word quotation from the source. "Has been" means that he was, but is not now. That may be an English-language blunder by the source and by Wikipedia editors. I am removing the post nominals because it is not directly supported by a reliable source.
• Sanyal worked as chief economist for South and Southeast Asia at Deutsche Bank until 2008.
  • This is supported by the cited source.
• in the rank of the Secretary to Government of India.
  • This is supported by the cited source.
• Sanyal anchors Economic Sutra, a show telecasted on Sansad TV, the official channel of the Parliament of India. The series covers various aspects of economic and financial policies, regulatory elements and institutional frameworks to be decoded for the average citizen's understanding.
  • The citations are primary sources. It is arguable that it needs to have secondary sources as well.

-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:25, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mixmon: Please could you look for newspaper articles that talk about Sanyal on Sansad TV. The best would be ones that commented on what he did or said on Sansad TV. TV listings are not wanted. Please avoid The Times of India^{WP:RSN discussed it twice: November 2020 was positive, but March 2020 was negative} for this purpose (apparently some people object to it for some purposes).-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Maybe these can help -

1. "Sanjeev Sanyal, the government’s Principal Economic Advisor, will host ‘Economic Sutra’, which will “explain government policies and economic strategies, their underlying philosophy, and projects undertaken over the last few years” Very Short comment https://indianexpress.com/article/india/sansad-tv-gets-in-opps-shashi-tharoor-priyanka-chaturvedi-to-talk-all-but-politics-7511506/
2. https://bfsi.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/bureaucracy-judicial-reforms-are-key-sutra-for-india-in-next-25-years-sanjeev-sanyal/93774635

There isn't a news article that critically analyses what he said ( at least it will not be there until he says something controversial ). Mixmon (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

References

3 COI edit requests

Hi! As noted previously, I'm a COI editor for Sanjeev. Three quick edit requests:

1. It looks like the information that Sanyal was a Rhodes scholar was deleted in this diff. Both sources already cited confirm this information. Could it please be added back in?

2. Add to infobox:

|relatives =

• Sachindra Nath Sanyal (granduncle)
• Nalinaksha Sanyal (maternal grandfather)

3. Add to end of "Honours":

Sanyal's book Revolutionaries: The Other Story of How India Won its Freedom won the Kalinga Literary Festival Non-fiction Book Award 2022 in English. In 2023, Sanyal received the SKOCH Economics Award.

References

Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 12:55, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@MaryGaulke: If I remember correctly, it was most unclear whether Sanyal was a Rhodes scholar for part or all of his time at Oxford. Are you in a position to find out?-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Toddy1: I can certainly ask Sanyal, but wouldn't that be WP:OR and thus unusable? Reliable sources (here are a few more) all state that he was a Rhodes scholar at Oxford, and from what I've seen the duration of the scholarship isn't typically reported, nor is it included in other articles about Rhodes scholars I've reviewed. Mary Gaulke (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please ask him. The rule on WP:OR only applies on article pages.

On the article page, we can use the citations to support that Sanyal was a Rhodes scholar. But there is/was a problem with interpreting the sources. Knowing the truth will help us to avoid guesswork.

(Background: About 15 years ago there was an article on Colin Mason that conflated information from reliable sources on at least three people called Colin Mason [one American, two English]. A manager at the company where one of them worked used the article talk page to explain the error. This manager was using personal knowledge. We cannot accept personal knowledge as a source on the article page, but it can be useful in helping us to avoid misinterpreting sources. I do not remember the article's title - there may have been a middle initial or a disambiguator; it was later deleted.)-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Toddy1: Sanyal has confirmed he was a Rhodes scholar from 1992 to 1995, but that the scholarship is usually noted (for himself and others) by the year it was awarded, i.e. 1992. Please let me know if you need any other info to put this in the article. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Toddy1: Hi! Following up on this edit request. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 12:52, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. It was deliberate, to give other people a chance to comment if they wanted to.

• (1) done
• (2) done, but amended. I think the term "maternal grandfather" means grandfather on the mother's side (i.e. mother's father). But the source says: "my mother's grandfather Nalinaksha Sanyal".

-- Toddy1 (talk) 14:48, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• (3) done, but amended. -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I could find mentions of SKOCH awards in other Wikipedia biographies and mentions of them being awarded to other people in the Indian press. So I decided that it was OK to mention his SKOCH award. I would have liked to have found a mention in the press of his being awarded a SKOCH award in 2023. If you manage to find a non-English newspaper article that mentions this, it would improve the article.-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:11, 8 September 2023 (UTC)