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I propose the article be changed to include the word "constitution." In the original document it is explicitly called a constitution.[1] It was drawn up after Napoleon invaded Spain; he sought to transfer the monarchy to his brother Joseph and provide a legal basis for his rule. To that end a "junta española" was convoked in Bayonne in 1808. The constitution was signed by Joseph as king, with other signatories being the Spaniards who approved the document. The Spanish Constitution of 1812, often called Spain's first written constitution, is a document that, in fact, was influenced by the Bayonne Constitution, with Spanish America being accorded representation. The title "Bayonne Statute" obscures, likely deliberately, the fact that Spain had a constitution prior to the one drawn up by the Cortes of Cádiz. I don't want to do a redirect from the existing title without community discussion.Amuseclio (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Amuseclio[reply]

I have added sources in the Further reading section taken from Google Scholar. Constitution of Bayonne is the more common way to refer to this document. There is no English-language title that includes "Bayonne Statute.Amuseclio (talk) 22:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)Amuseclio[reply]
I am doing a redirect to "Bayonne Constitution." With a Google Scholar search for both "Constitution of Bayonne" and "Bayonne Statute," I found overwhelmingly authors use Constitution of Bayonne, not Statute of Bayonne. Relatively few authors in English mention the Bayonne document; it does not appear in the title of any monograph or article of an English-language publication. An article by Wilman Amaya León, "El Estatuto de Bayona. La primera carta liberal de América Latina." Verba Iuris 33 (2015) does place it in the title. Fifteen authors in French and Spanish include "Constitution of Bayonne" in the title. I've added a selection from the list to the further reading section of the current WP article.Amuseclio (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)Amuseclio[reply]

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